Ahem, speech sucked.

[Bonobo]

Wow, did that suck eggs.

[oviedodem]

1. I guess you wanted him to snipe or invoke the 14th

[Ken Burch]

44. No, we wanted him to fight

The speech proved he never will.

Obama doesn't care about the people who elected him. He's proved that over and over again. We were all discarded like a cheap one-night stand.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Is it just me, or did the last few minutes sound like Jindal's

"Americans can do anything" speech?

[SugarShack]

22. Social Security contributes NOTHING to the debt! Why does he keep it on the table in this?

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. Because he wants our 'entitlement' programs to reduce the deficit and he has said so in the past,

even before he enacted his gang of six deficit commission.

Look it up.

He is not on our side.

He never was.

[dkf]

53. Because you have to sell new debt to pay the bonds off.

As the general funds don't provide enough to fund the regular budget much less pay back the trust fund.

[blue neen]

42. It's just you.

.

[muntrv]

3. The only thing that sucks more is that he even HAD to give that speech.

Raising the debt ceiling is supposed to be a formality.

[babylonsister]

9. Thank you. Reality strikes. Why does the Dem Prez always suck,

and not the assholes standing in his and our way? :wtf:

[SusanaMontana41]

17. Repigs suck. Stop appeasing them, Mr. President. n/t

[Armstead]

30. Bingo

[Ken Burch]

48. The Dem Prez sucks when he doesn't FIGHT

And Obama hasn't fought on anything the whole time he's been in. The worthless pile of nothing that the healthcare bill was reduced to(a bill that can't be a foundation for the future)was the first proof of that. The second was the useless financial "regulation" bill. The third was the surrender on labor law reform. The fourth was the surrender on the Bush tax cuts(and the trivial extension it gained on unemployment benefits was meaningless).

No one that refused to fight on any of the above can ever become a fighter now.

I admire your loyalty to the man, sister, but you need to face the fact: He ISN'T loyal to you. I doubt he even actually cared about the poor when he was a "community organizer". He stands with the suites, not the streets.

If he'd fought, even ONCE, it would have been different.

[Lilyeye]

11. Agreed

[mfcorey1]

16. * infinity

[uppityperson]

I thought it rather scathing on the repubs who block everything.

[Armstead]

31. According to the President a very small minority of Republicans

[Joe the Revelator]

4. Disagree

[GoneOffShore]

5. Uh - no

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. He's still expecting the TEABAGGERS to compromise!

Really quite remarkable. :eyes:

[PurityOfEssence]

40. Charlie Brown just KNOWS that someday Lucy won't pull the football away

He just KNOWS it, just as Linus knows that the Great Pumpkin will come.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. That's exactly what this is like! n/t

[michaz]

7. I disagree. I really think he explained it better and hit home to many. n/t

[glowing]

8. Yep!!! It sucked!!! I don't believe his position. No balance on backs of us. If so, give me my

Money back now and stop stealing it for the rich now.

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. +1000!

:thumbsup:

[babylonsister]

10. Wrong. nt

[oxymoron]

12. Yup. That looked weak. (nt)

[NYC Liberal]

13. Speak for yourself. n/t

[earthside]

14. What does he want now?

He just didn't really say.

The Reid/Pat Buchanan plan?
The Boehner plan?
A clean bill?

What?

[Broderick]

32. Exactly

What is HIS plan beyond words and speeches and fundraising appearances. Damn. Probably being too hard on him, but seems everything starts from a republican starting point on everything.

[kenny blankenship]

37. he went back to his 4 Trillion dollar shared sacrifice idea as his 1st choice

As in, IT'S ALL BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

That's a bad sign. The main reason he'd want that is to move the time horizon for the next debt ceiling stick-up out to some out year. But Republicans don't want any of that and have made it clear they want to use this hostage taking gimmick as a major policy setting tool. If he's still talking about his first choice, square one, clean sheet plan of 4 trillion dollar gut punch to the middle class and the poor, that may mean there isn't any real plan being negotiated now - and maybe there never was. It could all have been a pretense to kill time until the default.

[bluestate10]

15. The speech was sound, laid out a case, but left room for reasonable compromise. nt

[Raine]

18. "compromise"

more of that crap :puke:

[kenny blankenship]

19. I thought it was a good speech. Just don't know what more being reasonable will accomplish.

He positioned himself as a very reasonable negotiator, not demanding to have things all his own way (the Jefferson quote), not demonizing ALL his opponents (praise for Orange Boner), but providing evidence of the unreasonableness of the Republican House freshman class without snarling, "they're scumbags who want your Grandma to freeze to death in her bed, amid piles of catfood tins". Maybe that's all he thought this speech could accomplish - positioning himself as the reasonable party. Perhaps the default is inevitable and the only contest left at this point is for who will look least responsible for causing it.

He could have been a little more forceful in laying the blame for the deficit at the feet of the Republicans - not just G. W. Bush. And then come back to that point at the end. It is good to come out swinging - but don't forget to curbstomp at the end. This is a dogfight, not a debating society meeting. Also, he really soft pedaled the economic consequences of default. ("Maybe foreign investors will think America isn't such a good bet anymore") But he did make the point that the Republican hostage takers were trying to set up frequent occasions for taking the country hostage again.

(That shouldn't be construed as an endorsement of his "balanced approach" bullshit.)

[Bluebear]

20. "Call your representative and tell him to COMPROMISE"!

Whatever.

[Raine]

33. Uh I don't think so

I agree ... "whatever".

[tnlefty]

54. TN's stupid congressional district?

I've e-mailed Fleishmann more than once, along with Alexander and Corker..whatever.

I'll never forget his spending out the attack dog, Rahm, just before he had his summit with the repukes in the health insurance reform debate. He was more polite to the braindead, parrot, Marsha Blackburn. :mad: I couldn't believe that he was so polite to her and spent so much time addressing her concerns. She's not my rep., bu damn.

[Motown_Johnny]

21. 80% of Americans agree with that approach. It was the speech he needed to give

[AngryOldDem]

23. Obama -- still waiting for that Kumbaya moment.

I wanted to hear something much more forceful -- something like "These assholes are fucking with your life," only more politic.

I still don't think the average American really understands what a default could mean. I was hoping that Obama would give a preview of coming attractions. He missed a really good chance to drive home just what is at stake and how much.

[Ken Burch]

50. Hillary would be exactly the same. She never fought for the people either.

(your "Kumbaya" smear was a dead giveaway). You can't be a hawk AND fight for workers and the poor.

[smoochpooch]

24. I thought it started strong, talked about the surplus and how W fucked it up

But, yeah I don't really need to constantly hear about how America is number one.

I noticed Boehner didn't ask people to call and demand people fight for his "protect the wealthy" plan.

[KoKo]

26. He looked weird...like he was joking or something.

[senseandsensibility]

29. ?

I was listening, not watching. How so?

[kenny blankenship]

36. He had an undertaker's smile on the whole time. Trying to look inoffensive, not angry @ his enemies.

Can't we all just get along and cut the Safety Net?

[KoKo]

39. He didn't look himself...like he was acting or something...joking kind of ...it was weird..

but I see poster down below says "Undertakers Smile." Sheesh...maybe. I haven't been around many undertakers..but the ones I have do have a odd little smile when they greet you or take to into the "viewing room." Yes...there was a bit of that. Weird... Definitely not the Obama on the Campaign Trail or in the SOU Speeches. Something new/

[uppityperson]

34. what? Not to me.

[Synicus Maximus]

27. He said nothing new. It was a waste of time.

[Raine]

35. Yeah I want my 15 minutes back.

x(

[sunflowerseed]

38. I'm glad i didn't waste my 15 minutes

I wish the speech didn't suck.

[spanone]

41. i'm sure you didn't

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[LoZoccolo]

47. Ahem. Zero recs. lol n/t

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[LoZoccolo]

51. Indeed, my avatar used to spell out

"L<0L"

[craigmatic]

52. Yeah making the speech was a waste of time. It would've been more effective

if he just came out and blamed everything on the republicans.