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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:32 AM Original message |
Paul Krugman: What Obama Was Willing to Give Away ("Horrifying") |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. And yet the deal never happened, never was going to happen, and we are STILL going on rumors. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So what are we going to get? |
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iwishiwas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. probably some versions take or give a little of same deal Krugman |
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Doctor Hurt (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. "safety living net" |
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iwishiwas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I coined it as I wrote it. I wanted to include the word living but the |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
87. I like it.... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. IMHO, if we had been quiet, The Raw Deal would have gone through, quietly. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. That is the hands down fact. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Absolutely. I don't trust anyone who tells us to be quiet. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! |
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Doctor Hurt (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. The H in that acronym is for humble |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
94. I agree 100% Maybe my calls had an effect. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
111. He had our necks on the chopping block! The only reason the axe did not fall |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. This garbage that the president was lying is really ridiculous |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
70. Well said |
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UnrepentantLiberal (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. He's an arrogant punk who has far more in common with Republicans |
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HDPaulG (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 02:52 AM Response to Reply #75 |
107. + |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
123. I'm glad someone said it. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. + |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
79. +1000% -- |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
105. It's possible he's fed up. I hope. |
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Hand_With_Eyes (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. Obama offered the psycopathic GOP our heads on a silver platter |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
67. I think you are spot on here. Obama has polarized this issue into Pubs being immutable |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
69. Are you saying that Obama wasn't negotiating in good faith? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. How could selling out Social Security and Medicare reduce the deficit -- ? |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
101. LOL! You're kidding? |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
113. i know a good psychiatrist that can help you with.... |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
114. People are reacting to supposition and freaking out. |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. K & R, for Obama to even "consider" these as credible |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Well stated, mother earth. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
80. +1000% -- and PRIMARY challenger -- !! Sad that it had to reach this late point ... !!! |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. The grand chess game being played is being played by the big |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. K&R Very important post. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. This was like JFK threatening to nuke NYC if the Russians invaded W Berlin. Bad symbolic politics. |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Sums it up for me. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
6. Interesting How Those Whose Financial Futures Are Secure |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
7. In return for fuckin' what? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. They won't matter to whom? I take it you're not on Social Securiy. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Or Medicaid, which covers many who will never have another |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. You are right. Even here on DU, it is the "middle class", or, when generous, |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Why is is hubris and cold and mean to admit Republicans are |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Democratic voters did not stay home. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Now that is really going out of you way to find a way to blame |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I'm quoting De Fazio. |
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WVRICK13 (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
109. I Guess I Fail To See |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
81. Republicans are a majority? No....We have the Senate ... and we have the Presidency ... allegedly!! |
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Taft_Bathtub (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
96. Republicans only have the House |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
116. You do know that Dems control the Senate, right? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. So you're saying this default will have no effect? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Polly want a cracker? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. WTF? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. Oh noes. Teh mean old publicans gonna get us. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Huh? This is about one thing, needing the debt ceiling raised |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Huh? One thing? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
92. THIS nt |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
98. Thank you! +1000000 |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
91. Poor people often don't vote. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Why do you want so badly to appease the Republicans?? nm |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. The default will be a boom to those banks hording money. Is that who you favor? It wont hurt the |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
45. As predicted. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. Only because they believe the president |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. Do you support any cuts to SS? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
89. Implying it's either/or. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
97. And THANK GOD IT PASSED too ... |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
100. will not matter much????????? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
9. And rest assured that the Repukes will take him up on it next time |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
12. I still fail to see how it's a "deal" and why it needs to be done. Social programs |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
17. Deleted message |
Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. Taking away granny's wheelchair to save Richy's golden parachute. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
22. I think I finally figured out who Obama is. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Obama brags about how little he listens to his supporters. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. It's either him or another GWB. We're doomed. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I think Jeb is planning on 2016. The next six years are going to be |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:25 PM Original message |
I think they'll draft Jeb in 2012. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
55. It's possible. And I agree, he is dangerous. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
86. Why would they take that chance, when Obama is performing so well for them? |
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WVRICK13 (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #86 |
110. The Republicans |
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Flubadubya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
122. Exactly, and you can't rape the willing... |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
93. Lookin like it. nt |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
103. When Obama was running I used to think he was smarter then bush |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Well, he is surrounded by his Wall Street supporters. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Read this to find out who Obama is. |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Curious lack of "I Got This" comments over on that thread. LOL! |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. They know which threads to not touch. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
64. +!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
85. Nice work by Madfloridian ... but ghastly "work" by Obama ... |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
120. that is creepy n/t |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. Also, when the PTB came to Clinton and asked them |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
83. Generally agree .... |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
102. I agree completely. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
23. Was? Or, is it "still"? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
31. So THOSE are the Austerity Peas, |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
35. K & R and bookmarked, Hissyspit, and thank you. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
37. R&K |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
39. If this was the deal, |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. This is the end game. If the people dont object soon, we will be beyond the tipping point. nm |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. We could try to organize a day of action here . |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I am up for it. I am willing to try to use the system, but feel it wont do much. We are merely |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. That's likely true but imo, it's still important to show up. |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
63. Don't Worry Pro... Obama's "Got This" LOL! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. . |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
52. REC. REC. REC. REC. nt |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. It's not horrifying. You just weren't listening during the campaign... |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
65. Obama Admits the Obvious: The GOP Is Unreasonable |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
66. Krugman's bonus is based on clicks. Headlines and an outrageous premise brings them in. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
68. It is quite obvious that SS and medicare were offered to prove |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
71. K&R n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
73. Pelosi on raising Medicare eligibility age: "That's not part of what we're talking about" |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #73 |
115. The president is not listening to Reid and Pelosi however |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
76. The New Deal... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
78. Thank you for the info -- as horrific as it is ... the final betrayal of Democratic voters -- !!! |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
82. "according to a senior administration official" |
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TatonkaJames (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
84. It's all a show, simple as that |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. UNEMPLOYMENT SHOULD BE OBAMA'S ISSUE ... AND THE GOP ISSUE ... JOBS!!! |
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TatonkaJames (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Amen Brother |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. It's so obvious. If they don't get it, they don't want to. n/t |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
99. Strong K&R We have a Trojan horse in the White House. |
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Muddy Waters Guitars (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
106. Obama was never going to accept such a deal- he was showing up how extremist the Republicans are |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
119. There's the thing: Was it Lincoln's playbook... or Neville Chamberlain's? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Would you like to bet on which way he's going to fall? |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Let's just say I have an opinion on that, and I'd like for him to prove me wrong... |
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WVRICK13 (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
108. I Voted For Obama |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
112. Why does Dr. Krugman use the verb "was"? |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #112 |
117. +1 n/t |
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