Forget Anonymous: Evidence Suggests GOP Hacked, Stole 2004 Election

[Donnachaidh]

http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/07/1789905/forget-anonymous-evidence-suggests-gop-hacked-stole-2004-election

Three generations from now, when our great-grandchildren are sitting barefoot in their shanties and wondering how in the hell America turned from the high-point of civilization to a third-world banana republic, they will shake their fists and mutter one name: George Effin' Bush.

Ironically, it won't be for any of the things that liberals have been harping on the Bush Administration, either during or after his term in office. Sure, misguided tax cuts that destroyed the surplus, and lax regulations that doomed the economy, and two amazingly awful wars in deserts half a world away are all terrible, empire-sapping events. But they pale in comparison to what it appears the Republican Party did to get President Bush re-elected in 2004.

"A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio's 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush," according to Bob Fitrakis, columnist at http://www.freepress.org and co-counsel in the litigation and investigation.

If you recall, Ohio was the battleground state that provided George Bush with the electoral votes needed to win re-election. Had Senator John Kerry won Ohio's electoral votes, he would have been elected instead.

Read more: http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/07/1789905/forget-anonymous-evidence-suggests-gop-hacked-stole-2004-election#ixzz1Ssy99Dmv

[nilram]

1. k&r

[seabeyond]

2. we know they did. kr. nt

[AsahinaKimi]

62. agree...

Stolen lock, stock and barrel.

[harun]

86. We've all been saying so since the night it happened. Ohio was rotten.

[Zorra]

127. We certainly were:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=84203&mesg_id=84203

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2641025&mesg_id=2641185

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4062106&mesg_id=4062106

[baldguy]

3. News flash: It's hot outside too.

Stop the presses.

[russspeakeasy]

47. absolutely...but what the hell is going to be done about it..? Anyone going to jail?

No, they will write a book, or get appointed to some hi pay gig.

[rhett o rick]

60. Do you have a source for that graph? nm

[baldguy]

71. Link in my sig.

With accompanying article.

[tavalon]

113. It was DU that brought me to the realization that I am a socialist

We practice socialism within the confines of the house, but ousted, the rest of the nation refuses to go along. A proud member of the dwindling unionized workers

[rhett o rick]

130. thank you. I need to send it to some "friends" on the right. nm

[Lint Head]

4. The WAR CRIMINALS George W Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld should

be in damn prison! The country has suffered enough as a result or them being INSTALLED by the Supreme Cowards of the United States.

[Dappleganger]

5. Thanks for the reminder!

[zazen]

6. Kerry can't be stupid--why did he cave?

I mean, it was patently obvious to all of us.

And then Edwards asked us for money to fight it. Which I gave. Grrr.....

[FreakinDJ]

8. Worried about his senate seat

[yardwork]

9. I don't understand why Kerry didn't fight it.

[shanti]

11. maybe because...

he was in on it too! remember, it wasn't the first election they stole.

[certainot]

49. same reason gore didn't. same reason we didn't go into the streets.

the rove machine feeds RW talk radio a bunch of rationalizations for doubting the possibility of a stolen election and before the election even making up shit about dems stealing elections ie. ACORN, illegal immigrants. locally rove was using local talk radio blowhards to incite their listeners to pressure the state attorney general to go after rumors of vote theft by dems.

any prominent politician who suggest vote fraud without proof is going to get ridiculed and hounded to death (like dan rather), first by the talk radio gods and fox, and then by the rest of the republican owned media who feed off the daily smorgasbord of prechewed talking points laid out by team limbaugh for the roves and think tanks that feed them.

for gore it was similar- RW radio was instrumental getting the mobs out to harass gore's family, recount efforts, etc. and sell the lies.

because the left ignores talk radio it will continue to react AFTER the earholes of 50 mil a week have been pounded with the preferred alternate reality. with an unchallenged talk radio monopoly they can decide what is and isn't acceptable before the truth comes out.

if the left would get off it's ass and blame talk radio and team limbaugh instead of obama for its losses they wouldn't be able to sell the lie that there was a recount in ohio.

[Tumbulu]

54. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

and I mean to shout it, because urban people do not understand how this hate radio has destroyed the country by capturing the hearts of the people who live in rural areas driving around a whole lot listening to this non stop hateful propaganda.

[certainot]

79. i wrote about it a bit here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1557926

and here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1553692

[brewens]

67. They use projection ruthlessly. Like calling Obama a fascist. If

you retaliate and say, no, the Republicans are the fascists, you end up sounding like a little kid arguing.

[Enthusiast]

76. It's a strategy developed

during the cold war, I suppose.

[jwirr]

74. Plus when we went to the SCOTUS did we have this evidence. We

have been searching for the evidence ever since and gathering what we can. Al Gore and his legal team needed it THEN.

[Hawkowl]

104. SCOTUS plays no role

SCOTUS has no constitutional function in a disputed presidential election. Disputes are SUPPOSED to be resolved in the House of Representatives and the Senate for VP.

Why neither Gore, nor Kerry pursued this constitutional remedy is beyond me. It is not unprecedented. The only explanations I can come up with is outright cowardice.

[harun]

87. +1

[Raksha]

93. Like most liberals, I never listen to RW talk radio.

Therefore I tend to ignore its all-pervasive influence in certain parts of the country, and even in my own blue state (California). It's long past time for a whole lot of us to wake up.

[certainot]

98. obama mentioned talk radio TWICE in his speech yesterday, maybe for that reason

[Cetacea]

135. People are too busy bashing him to point that out

Thank you, This subject deserves it's own thread, imo.

[YOHABLO]

122. WHY ARE AMERICANS SO DOCILE ?

If this were France the people would have been out in the streets and refused to work. They would literally shut down the country. What a stupid stupid bunch of people in this nation. We are allowing Obama to run ruff-shod over us in capitulating to the Republicans .. simply because he thinks he'll gain the independent vote in the next election. The Republicans are a cult. They will stop at nothing to be in power. Is it that Americans are so enveloped in their TV shows and sports that they really could care less who is in power? When everyone wakes up .. when they have nothing to their name .. it will be to late. We need to have outside oversight in our elections, go back to paper ballots. We know they are hacking, stealing, manipulating at every corner. Yet, we stand by and let it happen. These people are criminals ... the whole GOP!

[SteveM]

103. Fighting back against the GOP took place -- decades ago.

LBJ had no compunction, Hubert Humphrey had a shoving match with a one. Even Jimmy Carter calls the GOP "extremist."



But you just don't do that kind of thing against the far right, now. It's undignified. It's beneath us. It's engaging in the things they do. Except winning.

[roamer65]

16. Same reason Nixon didn't contest the election in 1960.

They are scared they'll ruin their petty little political careers.

[truedelphi]

22. James Carville spent the early morning after the election telling Kerry that

There simply were NOT enough ballots that were missing, not counted or stolen in the state of Ohio to make contesting the election there worth doing. Actually there were enough to give him the victory if he had made a stink about it, but he caved.

Carville was a sack of shit, but Kerry was too, for listening to him.

Also Pres Bush had this huge war going on in Iraq at Fallujah at the exact moment of the election - every RW troll in the universe was talking about how unpatriotic Kerry would be if he didn't give in.

[Enthusiast]

77. I feel certain Carville is one of "them".

The 'media' always trots out Carville when they want a certain argument 'out there' only to be shot down by the 'better' right wing argument.

[truedelphi]

80. Oh I think so too.

In fact, I think that most of them are part of them.

The progressive Congress people who caucus for things the PTB don't want are obviously not.

I place a few Senators, and especially Sen Bernie Sanders, in that category also, but then Sanders is not even a Democrat, he is an Independent.

[cyberpj]

36. We all said the same thing about Gore in 2000. nt

[zalinda]

38. Edwards and Kerry had a HUGE fight about this

Edwards wanted to fight, and Kerry caved. This is one of the main reasons that Kerry didn't endorse Edwards when he ran for President.

zalinda

[Sportsguy]

42. He and Bu$h Were Bonesmen (nt)

[SaveAmerica]

50. If I recall from discussions at DU at that time he didn't have the legal standing to order a recount

Where Gore had legal standing in 2000 because of the close enough to fight results, the R's had stolen more than enough votes to put them over the amount to allow a recount in '04 in Ohio. That doesn't answer why they didn't fight what we saw happening; the voting machines that were moved from the high dem precincts to the high repub precincts, the machines that were left were in poor repair. The lines at those precincts stayed long all day and way past closing of the polls. I guess there wasn't legal standing to fight that?

I think they were looking for evidence like what is mentioned in the OP here that would help make this fight happen and they never had it. This is why I worked in 08 til I thought I would die, I wanted no close election that could be manipulated by one state, we had to make NC a player too!

[zeemike]

70. Scull and Bones.

He had to pay back the debt and cave to a scull and bones brother.

[Recursion]

89. Because "might" and "probably" don't get us there, and that's all we have (nt)

[tavalon]

115. Kerry caved before I had a chance to send money

I was so enraged that day. I will never forget.

[FreakinDJ]

7. Ya - We always give Private Companies the RIGHT to change votes

explain that

[socialist_n_TN]

32. And not only that, some also BLAME Democrats

because not enough of them turn out to overcome Republican electoral fraud. THAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF! We shouldn't HAVE to have a 10% plurality to win an election by 2% points.

What it boils down to is are the elections fair or not? If they're fair then all votes should be counted as cast. If elections are NOT fair, then we need to jail Republicans who participate in electoral fraud, NOT BLAME THE VICTIMS OF ELECTORAL FRAUD.

[midnight]

48. It is outrages to me too... Blaming the victims of electoral fraud!

[socialist_n_TN]

58. Yeah and I see it ALL the time here on DU

mostly from the "sensible centrists".

[yardwork]

10. I'll never forget Election Night 2004. It was a turning point in my life.

My life changed in almost every way after that election. I'll never forget how I felt that night. I knew it was stolen.

[freshwest]

12. After 2000, then 2004. They tried to steal the governorship here and failed, will try again.

[Gregorian]

13. I'll always remember that sudden shift in votes. We all erupted here.

It was as though we were watching the election being stolen in real time. I don't have words to express the feeling of shock we all experienced.

It's now clear that every single thing we have expressed on this forum has been the truth.

[mfcorey1]

26. Just like the sudden shift in Wisconsin. I keep shouting that the manipulations of voting machines

will determine the 2012 election. Money, politics, demographics won't matter. This is what the right does when they see that they cannot win. It has happened over and over again. Eric Holder needs to get off his lazy butt and begin to establish security for voting or we will be just like third world countries.

[tblue]

116. I fear they are gonna fix '12 too.

One reason they made sure to get Repub governors in so many swing states.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Yep. That's when we knew, FOR CERTAIN, our government is corrupt to the core. n/t

[SaveAmerica]

51. Same here, when they called it for Bush I fainted for the first time in my life. I had a premonition

of the US of A tumbling into a huge mess, the likes of which we'd never seen before and knew it would be near impossible to pull out of. Every step I took for our Dem candidates in '08 I felt so bad for the mess they had to clean up.

[Martin Eden]

75. I travelled from Chicago to Cuyahoga to get the vote out for Kerry

I've never been so disappointed in my life as when GW Bush got a 2nd term ... or so disappointed in my fellow citizens that so many could be so incredibly stupid to vote for him after those 4 years.

Learning that not quite "so many" actually voted for him does little to restore my faith in the American people, while doing much to destroy any confidence I had that our form of government is a representative democracy.

[Hydra]

14. Of course it was stolen

And the theft was legitimized by this Administration afterward. Nothing to see here, move along...

[madrchsod]

15. old news.....remember we can`t look back!

[wakemewhenitsover]

17. Just like old times...

That article jacked up my blood pressure all over again.

[WillyT]

18. HUGE K & R !!!

:kick:

Thank You!!!

:hi:

:kick:

[southerncrone]

20. But let's DO something with it. Don't let it get swept under the rug.

Treason & murder.

[nashville_brook]

21. k and r

[Politicalboi]

23. This is right there with 9/11, JFK, Stays on Airline stocks, Bush 2000

2.3 Trillion dollars missing from Pentagon 09/10/01. There's nothing to see here. No matter how much evidence there is to prove other wise. We did it right in front of your own eyes and got away with it. Anyone who questions these things are called "Kooks".

We've known for years Gore won 2000. It's been proven he won. But we all know how it went. And what was done about it. NOTHING!

[Kaleko]

68. It seems hopeless, but

those with eyes wide open have to keep repeating the facts. It's tedious and unrewarding as hell, but those who are awake need to relentlessly counter the lies that have put millions of American's in a decades-long hypnotic trance where they can't acknowledge what happened right in front of their unbelieving old eyes.

[Enthusiast]

78. Yet the MSM never mentions these little inconveniences.

That alone is proof enough for me.

"They did not steal an election with good intentions in mind."

[Poll_Blind]

24. This whole article deserves a read, not just the excerpt!

Worth your time, folks!

PB

[Tx4obama]

25. K&R n/t

[lonestarnot]

27. And some are still wondering how merika could be so stupid.

[whathehell]

53. merika wasn't stupid, merica was Robbed.

[midnight]

84. TRUE....

[marions ghost]

28. Fitrakis and Arnebeck

still on it.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[snot]

29. I'm going to share something here to help preserve it for the future:

The morning after the election, I was very surprised at the reported results, and went online looking for news about what had happened. Based on what I found, I sent this e-mail to my friend on Wednesday, November 03:

Per the New York Times,  “surveys of voters leaving the polls . . . showed Mr. Kerry leading Mr. Bush by as much as 3 percentage points nationally.”  Nonetheless, “{w}ith 98 percent of the national vote reported as of 8 a.m. Eastern time {Nov. 3}, Mr. Bush was leading Mr. Kerry by a margin of 51 percent to 48 percent . . .”(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/politics/campaign/04electcnd.html?hp&ex=1099544400&en=ba992171a995deaf&ei=5094&partner=homepage)).

--so those exit polls were off by as much as 6 percent.  Is that an unusually large discrepancy?

Meanwhile,  in this same election, the VNS Exit Poll System broke down—the main system that could have provided data to either discount or point toward any tampering.  (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/05/politics/main528252.shtml)  The system that was extensively overhauled after the 2000 election in order to make it more accurate.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,714491,00.html
"Adding to the chaos, one network news reporter has received a tip that mercenary hackers were hired to alter the code of a particular brand of machine so that every 10th vote for Candidate A was recorded as a vote for Candidate B. Meanwhile, in Colorado, another group of hackers is boasting that they stole a box of electronic smartcards used to activate e-voting machines and reprogrammed them to allow multiple votes . . . .
    "On Election Day, a group called TechWatch, made up of computer scientists and other volunteers, will monitor e-voting machines across the country. When trouble strikes-machines crash or suspiciously large numbers of votes for one candidate show up in a low-traffic polling place-the problem will be posted to the group's Web site, and a TechWatcher will be dispatched to document the problem and attempt to fix it. After the polls close, the group will have a detailed picture of which machines failed and where security may have been breached. If there's a recount, TechWatch can use this evidence to determine whether concerns about voting machine accuracy in particular areas are well founded."

So, what did TechWatch find?

The quotations above were copied and pasted by me without change directly from the quoted articles into my email to my friend. On November 5, 2004, my friend replied:
 

The NYTimes must have deleted the line referred to in the text below that you sent yesterday.  You can still access the article, but the line is gone.  Did you actually go to the story and see the line?
 
The rug is being vacuumed at the Times I’m afraid.

And indeed, last time I checked, the line no longer appeared in the NYT article.

I'd been worried about the voting machines for months, and trying to help bring attention to the dangers; but after this election, I became even more active.

[summerschild]

100. We all might as well brace for an assault on EXIT POLLING -

Wisconsin GOP has already started (in the primaries) and no
doubt will do so in the upcoming elections.

As Ohio 2004 clearly demonstrates, that's a very visible FIRST
FLAG up the pole to point to manipulation that the public can
see.

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/07/wisconsin-gab-bans-citizen-oversight-of-recall-elections%E2%80%94making-them-much-easier-to-steal-next-month/

"Wisconsin GAB bans citizen oversight of recall
elections—making them much easier to steal (next month)
Yesterday’s Democratic primary in Wisconsin was a great
success, as all the genuine Democrats—backed by the public
workers unions (AND the great majority of voters)—handily
defeated the fake “Democrats” set upby the GOP, their chances
improved (though not enough) by robocalls and other dirty
tricks. (In one county, officials were reportedly demanding
photo IDs, although that requirement is not yet in force.)
While things went wll, however, it was also a GOP dress
rehearsal for the theft of the recall elections proper, due to
take place in a few weeks: Wisconsin’s “Government
Accountability Board,” claiming to respond to “protests” by
some voters, summarily shut down citizen exit polling
efforts—legitimate and necessary efforts to monitor the voting
process, and supervised by the non-partisan Election Defense
Alliance."
 
  

[firehorse]

138. Interesting... I have a friend who was talking about why Kerry didn't fight back

and he also has wondered if the CIA has some kind of hold on The Times.

I thought he was maybe going off into conspiracy territory... but after reading this thread...maybe not.

[spin]

30. As Josef Stalin said that It's not the people who vote that count ...

It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
Joseph Stalin
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joseph_stalin.html

[dorkulon]

31. Don't forget: OH 2004 election records were destroyed in violation of the law.

http://www.alternet.org/story/58328

[orbitalman]

33. This only validates my position since that night. n/t

[BlueIris]

34. So, there was this guy, named John Conyers...back in 2004, his committe investigated fraud in OH.

http://www.academychicago.com/conyers.html

I'm always deeply annoyed when DUers claim evidence of election fraud that year is "new." Maybe to people who weren't paying attention it is.

[cyberpj]

35. I still have a signed copy of his book "What Happend in Ohio". No one seemed to care back then, and

now it's too late to do anything about the consequences.

I AM grateful to those who keep coming back with evidence on the topic though because until the system is actually repaired, it's just going to keep happening. As I'm sure it's already still happening in local and state elections when it comes to congressional races.

[BlueIris]

39. My copy is sitting on my shelf, and I glare at it from time to time. I watched the hearing live,

and still remember how disgusting they were. I had to take a shower after the morning of the first day, and I'd already had a shower six hours earlier (seriously.)

[cyberpj]

109. It does make one sick to see how things REALLY work. And if I remember right.....

didn't they refust him a room and make him hold the hearing in the basement or something?

It was SO blatantly ignored.

[INdemo]

37. If it had not been for the DNC chairman McAuliffe, Kerry would have won

and here is why...The DNC tossed in the towel early without any real confirmation of the vote tally.Why? Well it was over for Kerry but what a great opportunity for Hillary for 2008..That was his goal and that is why he basically gave the Ohio results to the Repukes without any objections and we all know the rest of the story.

[colsohlibgal]

40. Flipped Without A Doubt

Bush/Kerry and Cleland/Demint are 2 elections that were obviously flipped.

I was a poll watcher in the 2004 election and throughout that day, up through about 6 pm EST dems were gleeful, R's glum, all signs and polls showed a solid Kerry win. Then somehow it all went poof and presto chango! It seems, wink wink, that the polling was inaccurate.

So Dubya got in the 1st time on a Supreme Court coup and then with a flipped result, he actually lost both times.

[DainBramaged]

41. What can anyone do about it?????

[socialist_n_TN]

120. Put your trust in something other than electoral politics

nm

[SpiralHawk]

43. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)

[NewJeffCT]

44. Just think - that second Bush term gave us Roberts & Alito

Imagine two center-left type judges instead of two radical RWers? Even two moderates...

[glinda]

45. Kick in hopes it stays alive.

[BNJMN]

46. If it wasn't Bush it would've been someone else, The can would've been kicked. NT

[SpiralHawk]

129. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R)

[pansypoo53219]

52. alito needs to be replaced.

NOW.

[defendandprotect]

55. Guess we should let the Democratic Party know ...? They're sure to move on this -- !!! ROFL

[pnwest]

56. My heart is breaking

I've never given credence to the election fraud accusations one hears after every election, too much crying "wolf!". I'm new to DU, and this thread is the first time I've seen what appears to be credible info that it has actually happened. If this is true, then it's the saddest, most disheartening, discouraging, hope-killing thing I've ever heard. America truly is dead and gone, and my heart is broken. Everything has been rendered pointless.

[annabanana]

73. My dear pnwest,

Our hearts have been broken here, time and time again. Then we are faced with one of two choices. We can throw in the towel, knowing that there is nothing we can do. Or we can keep fighting, and continue to DOCUMENT the disintegration of our Republic, so that History will know that the experiment of

Government of the People, By the People and For the People

was at least attempted once in the annals of time.



(on edit: welcome to DU)

[pnwest]

82. ¦].Thx, annabanana~ n/t

[AllyCat]

57. We knew this all along. I'm glad we are getting to the bottom of it, but 7 years too late

has been detrimental to our whole fabric of life. People with no jobs, no healthcare, and possibly no social security. Media nearly a complete waste. And with all that, prosecution will still be "off the table".

[joanbarnes]

59. I knew this when I woke up the next morning and the votes had flipped.

[TheKentuckian]

61. Part of it is that the system it's self is Democrat's mission to protect

Prime Directive. So, we will do nothing that will put the system in direct harm's way, like escalating a matter to the Constitutional crisis level.

Everything is expendable as long as everything chugs along, the TeaPubliKlans do not share this outlook but Democrats pretend they do as a de-escalation technique (that doesn't work) trying to keep the "peace".

Their first priorities are not the people, the future, or doing what is best but rather it is maintaining the systems and institutions. They will not wage "war" on the TeaPubliKlans ever because the jinga pile is put at risk by going to the wall against folks that play hardball.

[earcandle]

63. Are we prosecuting yet?

[FreeBillClinton]

64. This is actually an old story... nothing came of it before either.

[Poiuyt]

65. RFK Jr. wrote a long article about this in Rolling Stone a few years ago

It was extremely well documented. There is no way that was a legitimate election.

[TBF]

66. Truth is All, a mathematician who posts here (I think he's still here - lol)

has done tons of work on this subject for anyone who is interested: http://www.truthisall.net/

[mahina]

112. Thank you

I love TIA
Understand he was banished, don't know the deets, have to check him again. Thank you for the link.

[TBF]

123. Ugh, I may have known that at some point but forgot -

sigh.

[tiptoe]

131. TIA (Richard Charnin) website:

richardcharnin.com

[Initech]

69. I always wondered - I remember Bush looking way too confident on election night.

[Smilo]

72. We need to remember this for 2012

and not let the bastards do it again.

Though it would help if we could just find Democrats with backbone and fire in their bellies to fight back
:dem: :kick:

[Chan790]

94. They exist...

they get smeared here though for not going with the party line...and those of us who support them get the shiteye and called traitors. I've seen more bashing here of liberal Democrats than I've ever seen of Boehner, Cantor or McConnell. If you dare ask why we can't run real Democrats who stand up for Democratic ideal and principles, you're supporting President Bachmann by being a critic of the President. If you ask why we're the only ones who ever compromise, then you're accused of "just wanting your pony"

You don't think we need permanent wars? Then you support President Bachmann.
You think Social Security should be off-limits? Then you support President Bachmann.
You think we should take our party back from the Corporatists? Then you support President Bachmann.
You support gay-rights and no more half-measures and oppose telling them to wait in line for their turn to have equal rights? Then you support President Bachmann.
You think we need a real healthcare bill rather than a massive giveaway to US Healthcare and Aetna? Then you support President Bachmann.
You think we need to increase taxes on the top 2%? Then you support President Bachmann.

I think if we can't demand that much from Barack Obama, then we might as well have President Bachmann.

[saras]

81. The right wing gets a free pass on this...

just like they get a free pass on assassinating people and blowing up buildings without being accused of being terrorists, or their associates investigated.

It was my impression that Americans overwhelmingly voted for this state of affairs in 1980 when we elected an obvious, transparent puppet of the machine.

[Grrrfun]

83. There isn't a slimier

lowlife bottom feeder in the world than blackwell..

He wanted to be GOVERNOR fer crissakes and it could have happened! He had all the credentials they require but he let too much slime out at once and people noticed and remembered he helped give shrub more time to fuck up the world..

That would have been a nightmare, Governor Blackhell.. shudder...
Kasick would seem like pollyanna in comparison..

[pa28]

85. I'm also reminded of the anecdote involving Karen Hughes.

She apparently informed Bush he was going to lose the election with Florida and Ohio going to Kerry. He just shrugged it off.

It will be interesting if Jeb decides to run this time around and enlists Republican Secretaries of State as his state chairs like W. did. IMO the Bush family feels it is their prerogative to rig elections as all just a legitimate part of the process.

[Recursion]

88. Unfortunately, it's all "probably"s and "might have"s, which does us no good (nt)

[Fire Walk With Me]

90. Why is this tolerated?

[RC]

95. Because most people can not believe how corrupt our government really is.

This is the United States of America after all. They still believe we are the light of the world. Freedom and all that. They cannot wrap their brains around the obvious truth.

[Fire Walk With Me]

132. Time for them to try.

[davidwparker]

91. Kerry has his payback: He knows he was the elected

President, but walked away from it. Now, he has been promoted to senior senator and will never trouble the people in Iowa again.

Note to self: I will NOT vote in the primary for anybody who wins the Iowa caucus. In 2004, the winner was Dean. In 2008, they picked republican BHO and we got a dud. If Iowa picks him or her, I will vote for somebody else.

And may the Democratic Party start picking different regions on rotation to go first.

[avaistheone1]

92. This is one of the key thefts of this country

k&r

:kick:

[MessiahRp]

96. I wish I could rec this 100x. I wish we were on President Kerry's second term instead of Obama's 1st

I don't believe for a second that Kerry would cave on SS/Medicare not to mention a variety of other issues. I think he would have fought for more swift action on gay rights. I just think Kerry's a better man than Obama, period.

Rp

[Divine Discontent]

97. I agree.

[Raster]

99. George W. Bush did not legally and lawfully win Selection 2000 nor

did he legally and lawfully win 2004. Both elections were as crooked as could be. Ohio was 2004's Florida, with the same dirty tricks, including a brutally partisan Secretary of State controlling the election infrastructure.

[cyberpj]

110. Which is why Bill Maher and many more of us will only ever call him Governor Bush -

because that's the last office we feel he was elected to.

(And I'm not so sure about that one either.)

[Raster]

124. That election is also suspicious and full of KKKarl rove dirty tricks.

[Blue_In_AK]

101. Of course they did.

We all knew it. It was the stolen 2004 election that brought me to DU.

[YvonneCa]

107. Me, too. This will only be investigated...

...if the people make it happen.

[Dj13Francis]

102. Duh.

This isn't news, just surprising that it got printed by the mainstream media... Oh, wait... That article isn't from the mainstream media.

[Veracious]

105. They must FEAR the mob...

The status quo will use every tool at its disposal to maintain their power. Only real change will occur when they FEAR the results of their actions.

[socialist_n_TN]

121. Well somebody else gets it...........

Welcome to DU Veracious.

[Hotler]

106. It is all ralph Nader's fault. Evertything is Ralph's fault. n/t

[mdmc]

108. exactly

I heard Kerry was gonna challenge the Ohio results but Ralph convinced him to do otherwise..

[mahina]

111. So now that we already know what they are going to try to do to us in 2012

what I want to know is, what the hell are we going to do about it?

[tavalon]

114. I recede this for the three people to whom this is actually news

That is why I accord none of the respect of the office to Bush the lesser, he was voted in by five people in a royal appointment in 2000, and still had to steal the next election. Loser times two!

[Firebrand Gary]

117. K&R

[JAnthony]

118. I doubt there are many here who will dispute or question this ... most of

us who were 12 years old or older on election night in 2004 knew exactly what this article tells us.

I was way over 12 in 2004, (still am!!) and I knew that 2000 was the first stolen election in FL, 500,000 votes more for Gore, votes not counted, votes counted mistakenly in heavily Jewish areas for third party candidate Buchanan over Gore.....simply because of the ballot layout

We know, we knew, we still know.

The Republicans are screwing with our democracy, and continue to do so to this day.

Add the race factor with our first bi-racial President, (not that his RACE is the problem, but that we have so many closet racists in Congress) and we have a recipe for disaster.

[Remember Me]

119. Old news

I don't mean to sound dismissive, especially since this is actually good news.

BUT, we all knew back in the day that that election was stolen. Your own forums are filled with all the gorey details. And the "gore-y" details of the loss of Florida, also due in great part to election machine rigging back in 2000. It's not over by a long shot.

Obama won primarily because there were enough NEW voters not already in the system to overwhelm the illegal system, completely undermining the planning for how many votes needed to be off-set or gamed. He's unlikely to be so lucky in 2012, though it's questionable whether the other side will want the mess -- their pattern is to let the Dems clean up the economy, establishing a Treasure to steal from (again) before gaining power to raid it yet again.

Time will tell.

[TBF]

125. More re Kerry landslide -

1-- The media exhaustively analyzed state and national pre-election /exit poll data and the documented evidence of vote suppression and miscounts. But raw exit poll precinct data has never been made public.

2- There are many explanations as to why the exit polls were wrong. But none are supported (and some are refuted) by the evidence: Kerry voters were more approachable to be interviewed; Bush voters were reluctant to be interviewed; interviewers sought out Kerry voters; returning Gore voters told exit pollsters that they voted for Bush in 2000; exit polls are not random samples; exit polls in the U.S. are not designed to catch election fraud; early polling overstated the Kerry vote; women voted early; Republicans voted late; Gore voters defected to Bush at twice the rate that Bush voters defected to Kerry, etc.

3- The votes were fairly counted. But 2004 U.S. Census data indicates that 125.7 million votes were cast as opposed to the 122.3m recorded. And investigative reporter Greg Palast presented government data which documented 3 million uncounted votes.

Much more here - http://richardcharnin.com/FurtherConfirmationOfaKerryLandslide.htm

[underpants]

139. Virginia (later voted for Obama) went from within the MOE to a 6% win by Bush

Gee wonder what Rove was doing that night IN THE WHITE HOUSE (actual pic) a clear violation of the Hatch Act.

[Ellipsis]

126. Fate at the hand of a flag pole...

[Kolesar]

128. That article was a tough read

...with undefined terms and references. The paragraphs do not tie together.

Note that the county boards of elections destroyed data (ballots) that they were legally required to keep. We should be suspicious.

[Horse with no Name]

133. And John Kerry backed down.

:(

[zappaman]

134. and remember

that it wouldn't have been close enough to steal if Kerry had not run such a abysmal campaign.

[Hotler]

136. kicking. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

137. I have a quibble with word "re-elected" Bush was never elected in the first place, he was appointed

by the Republican controlled Supreme Court.

Thanks for the thread, Donnachaidh.