Wasilla Pastor: "Husbands have the right to rape their wives"

[FLAprogressive]

A friend of mine from Alaska sent me this. This was actually PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER.

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One of the more interesting comments to surface from the legacy of Lara Logan’s tragedy back in February is the allegation of spousal rape. Apparently, as has been alleged, every pastor in Alaska is involved in a big cover-up for not only knowing that this goes on, but in not reporting it to proper legal authorities so that these errant husbands can be thrown in the slammer and their families can be added to the welfare roles (because of the absence of his income, of course).

But is this true?

I, for one, have never had any woman make such an allegation against her husband to me. But even if these accusations are as vast as alleged, there are major problems with them from a Biblical standpoint.

For instance, there is the problem of truth. That is, this kind of allegation becomes her word against his word. And while I understand that in Alaska the lone female is able to convict her alleged perpetrator, this goes contrary to the Bible. In the book of Deuteronomy we find the following: “One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.”

*snip*

But this is not the only problem. The next question we need to ask is to whom does the body belong? While in our day of feminism it is asserted that a woman’s body is her own. Biblically speaking, this is only true prior to marriage, for in Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians we read:

“Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.”

The truth is that God has given to us physical needs we commonly refer to as a “sex drive,” and he has designed for these to be met within the bounds of marriage. The trouble comes when one spouse or the other decides to exact retaliation against the other because of some offense and withholds him or herself from his or her mate. This is wickedness, and such is a violation of the spirit of marriage on the part of the withholder.

Thus, if these allegations of spousal rape are due to the wife withholding herself in attempt to control or punish her husband, she is out of line with God. And it doesn’t matter how many laws are passed, it will just be another reason why God will not bless America.

Read more of this drivel: http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2011/07/20/faith/doc4e25134ce5b39386703783.txt

[zappaman]

1. How can it be rape if you're married?

Are they talking about ex-wives?

[enlightenment]

4. Doesn't matter if you're married - rape is forcing someone

to engage in sexual intercourse.

A woman doesn't promise to 'love, honor, and spread her legs on command'.

[derby378]

9. And I'll go you one futher...

This waste of space just said that God will not bless America if wives fail to put out whenever, wherever, at their husband's command. Exactly how is this in any way "Godly" or "compassionate?"

[Taverner]

21. But...but...Christianity is all about liberal values....

:eyes:

[derby378]

26. Who said anything about this pastor being a Christian?

He's an Independent Baptist. That doesn't necessarily equal "Christian."

[jberryhill]

32. He did, and I don't hear Jesus contradicting him /nt

[derby378]

37. Richard Nixon said, and I quote, "I am not a crook"

:evilgrin:

[jberryhill]

46. Yeah... what did he steal?

[derby378]

48. He said CROOK, not THIEF

Nice try.

[jberryhill]

58. I guess it depends on one's definition of "crook"

He was a rat-bastard in some respects, and certainly should have left sooner than he did, along with his psychological demons. But, at least to me, the word "crook" connotes thievery of some sort.

Without looking at the figures, I'd be willing to bet he left office as one of the least well-off presidents in recent history.

What matter is what he meant by the word "crook". Having rubbed elbows with a lot of people wealthier than him, and having a sort of envy about that, it seemed that he always took criticism as if it was an accusation of financial impropriety. That probably is because he always conflated it with the events leading up to the "Checkers" speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4UEv_jjPL0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhQD2UFCIbY

I would love to see every politician run through their finances the way he did in that speech.

I don't question the sincerity of his sentiment, but he really just didn't understand, eventually, what his problem was.

[w8liftinglady]

6. you forgot the "sarcasm" indicator

Yes, I have taken care of wives who have been raped by their husbands.Tore up,mauled,bloody urine,prolapsed rectum...shall I reveal more?

[solara]

7. You are kidding, right?

[scarletwoman]

10. Are you serious? If a woman says no, and the man forces her, it's rape, PERIOD.

Marital status has nothing to do with it. Forcible sex = rape.

[BlueJazz]

33. I've dated (divorced) women that have been raped by their former husbands.

They all seem to mistrust men in general which is sadly understandable.

These no-good MF that betray the trust and love for their spouse are the lowest form of life.
I get pissed just thinking about it.

[TheWraith]

12. You're being sarcastic, right? nt

[undeterred]

15. Are you kidding?

There is marital rape.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Legally you can be raped if you do not want to have

intercourse, It does not matter if you are male or female, or married or single.

Yes the law is that clear.

[MineralMan]

27. You appear to have forgotten something.

This: :sarcasm:

At least I hope you forgot it. Surely no man on DU thinks that forcible sex with a wife who is unwilling is anything but rape. Surely.

[jberryhill]

30. You're kidding, right?

[enough]

38. Are you serious zappaman? Do you actually think there can be no rape in marriage? (nt)

[zappaman]

40. of course not serious

but was too late to add a sarcasm tag when I realized there was none.

:dunce:

[riderinthestorm]

59. Aww, you know, I actually believed you were serious and that would be cool

Because it would mean that you have never been able to contemplate treating a woman like that. That THAT kind of behavior is so far out of your 'zone", you can't even imagine it exists because it's never been a part of your reality.

It would have been fascinating for me really. I've been volunteering at women's shelters and rape crisis centers for 3o+ years now. Its easy to ASSume everyone knows there is violence that happens between couples.

Peace.

[enlightenment]

65. Since I was the first to reply, I'll be first to say I should have

caught the sarcasm. Touchy subject = kneejerk reaction.

Mea culpa.

[seabeyond]

39. self deleting because you say you are not serious. nt

[rhett o rick]

54. Is that a serious question? nm

[xmas74]

60. edit wrong spot

[NMMNG]

63. What century are you living in?

:puke:

[bemildred]

2. I hope someone sues this dumb ass. nt

[derby378]

3. Fuck him in the ass with a Portuguese man o' war

That feels better. Not "genteel" enough? Go ahead and delete this message. I think everyone gets the point.

[provis99]

14. this post is useless without pictures!

[provis99]

5. Forget it, Jake. It's Wasilla.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/wasillas-meth-problem-mad_n_123996.html

[derby378]

11. Nice catch!

I like you. :loveya:

[fascisthunter]

8. I would punch my fist through his head

[southernyankeebelle]

13. Well maybe I can understand why a woman would cut a man's penis off. In

a way that is raping a man.

[derby378]

17. I disagree...

Just look at John Wayne Bobbitt. He got his penis reattached. And it works in every way imaginable. Looks a bit wonky, but it works.

As for rape victims, they can't just "reattach" something that drives away the nightmares, the phobias, the O/C episodes, and the panic attacks. I wish they could, but that's a tall order.

[eilen]

23. thus the garbage disposal nt.

[Xithras]

31. Accorking to this pastor, cutting your husbands penis off is a-ok

"The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.”

He appears to be taking this passage literally, stating that a husband has the right to do what he pleases to his wifes body. Inlcuding perpetrating violence upon it (rape). Well, according to that very same verse, the same is true in reverse. A wife has the right to do what she pleases to her husbands body. Including commit violence upon it.

Snip. Snip.

[ejpoeta]

34. nope. only men have that right. women are subservient to the men. that is why the men

apparently can do whatever they want whether the woman wants to or not. yech. creep.

[tularetom]

16. I don't think I'll try that anytime soon

We have firearms in the house and she knows how to use them.

[derby378]

20. That is music to my ears

:hi:

[Kaleva]

Go ahead and do it. God will make you bullet proof I'm sure.

If he doesn't, then I apologize for your earthly demise in advance and celebrate you being with God years ahead of schedule!

:)

[B Calm]

19. So God will punish America if my wife doesn't spread her legs. Okay. .

[Taverner]

22. Have I mentioned how much I fucking hate Fundies????

Fuck them AND their god...

[guruoo]

24. Doozie from the comments...

Glockenspiel wrote on Jul 21, 2011 11:08 AM:
" Jesus loves you, this Ron knows
Your body, ladies, is not your own
You can't tell your husband no
For you are weak and he is strong

Yes, Jesus loves you!
Yes, Jesus loves you!
Yes, Jesus loves you!
Your body's not your own

If your husband stinks a lot
He's still yours an'he's all you've got!
Listen to him huff and roar
Let him do his thing, then hear him snore!

Yes, Jesus loves you!
Yes, Jesus loves you!
Yes, Jesus loves you!
Your body's not your own.

Christian men are exempt from rape
They act on urges like an ape
If you're good you'll shut your mouth
When the marriage starts-to-go south

Yes, Jesus loves you!
Yes, Jesus loves you!
Yes, Jesus loves you!
Your body's not your own.

[w8liftinglady]

29. wow!

[derby378]

25. But WAIT! There's MORE...

Also from the poison pen of this fundamentalist fucknut...

Will the Antichrist be a homosexual?

From a lost perspective, the reason sex sells, pornography is profitable, and prostitution is “the world’s oldest profession” is mankind’s desire of women. From Christianity’s position, it is part of the glue for the bond of marriage and the propagation of a godly heritage. But homosexuality does not regard this — in their unbridled lusts they burn for their own gender.

But consider this: The time is ripe for such a leader. Indeed, it should not be surprising that the one who is against everything Biblical and Christian should be a partaker of so great a sin; there is no greater way to reject the Creator than to reject your gender and his design for it. And at what other time have we seen such perversion come out of the closets onto our streets, threatening violence if we do not accept their ways?

Is it any wonder that Revelation 13 says that this same Antichrist will make war with the saints of the tribulation, and overcome them? Are they not now readying themselves to make it illegal to “offend” them in any way, calling it hatred to preach against their sin? Is it because they love us? The time is ripe for such a man.

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2009/05/27/faith/doc4a1b794bd0fd9907394285.txt

:grr:

[saras]

28. I am not willing to imagine all the hurt this monster deserves to experience...

But I would start with Mr. Hands and go downhill from there, ending the other side of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies.

Isn't this a crime? He is directly advocating, if not commanding, believing Christians to forcibly rape their wives. The only thing that could make it a clearer incitement to crime is for him to point out successful examples in the community.

Curiously, though, the letters column in the paper savages him as severely as DU is doing.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. Not That Different Than Hyperradical Islam

See, when any "belief" goes this far it's crazy.

Which icon to which they aspire doesn't matter?

No icon ever wanted to do this! They WANTED A BETTER SOCIETY!

These people have completely lost their mind. Faith isn't about faith in the fact that "you've got i all figured out"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Faith has ALWAYS been about ADMITTING that you don't have it figured out.

No faith has a monopoly on stupidity. But, they're all in the running!

BTW: I'M NOT AN ATHEIST. That labels me in a way that's all too simple.


P.S. I had to put my dog of 12 years away today. So, i'm in a really froggy mood. No offense!

[barbtries]

51. i'm sorry about your dog professor.

[ProfessorGAC]

53. Thanks

GAC

[louslobbs]

62. So sorry for your loss my friend.

Lou

[ProfessorGAC]

67. Thanks To You, Too

GAC

[Blue_In_AK]

36. Thank you, FLAProgressive.

I posted about this in a reply to another post. Pretty ridiculous, huh, but not too surprising coming from "Palin Country." I know a few good people out in the Valley -- but sadly, this "minister" seems to be representative of the way a lot of them think out there.

Sad, really. Wasilla used to be a nice little town.

[seabeyond]

41. wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband

i interpret this as merely saying she is not allowed to give body to anyone but husband. i dont read it as saying she has no power over her body, her husband does.

and vice versa.

[Mimosa]

42. OMG is this a sick joke? n/t

[FLAprogressive]

43. Sadly, this is what fundies believe.

[Mimosa]

44. Sounds like something from a Taliban sheik's website

A Muslim buddy used to show me the Taliban type websites. He translated them for me. No difference.

New Testament wouldn't support rape. A person is supposed to respect the body of a spouse.

http://www.godsknot.com/Verses.aspx

[derby378]

45. All the pastor has to do is say "That's Bible" and they pee all over themselves

The proper response to "That's Bible" is illustrated here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMrDNnKcCoA

[barbtries]

47. i don't give a rat's ass

what your silly book says - this is MY body. if i say NO and you force me against my will, YOU are the guilty one. husband or not. (speaking to writer of letter, not DU poster)

i will have to follow the link to see if anyone responded to this garbage.

[pipi_k]

49. Since they're quoted, can you point to where

the pastor actually SAID those words?

Vile...just vile.

[barbtries]

52. the link in the OP

was written by the pastor. i recommend it, and the comments. his position is extremely unpopular i'm happy to say

[pipi_k]

55. I read it once all the way through before...

and now I've just done a search for those words that you quoted but didn't find them.

Please, can you copy and paste the paragraph where he said those exact words?

Thanks

[barbtries]

66. i'm not going to read it again

the quote in the OP title may be in error, but the meaning is true. your question reminds me of Christine O'Donnell: "Where in the Constitution is the Separation of Church and State?"

just because those exact words aren't there doesn't really mean that is not what the man wrote. my reading of the article left me without doubt as to the veracity of the OP. just mentally take the quotation marks away and you should be ok.

[Islandlife]

50. Spousal rape iIS "rape" rape

This is the most ridiculous article I've ever read in a news article. The editor of this paper must be held accountable.

Unbelievable!!!

[BlueIris]

56. "(I)n Alaska the lone female is able to convict her alleged perpetrator"

Yeah, right. I'm sure that happens every day, all the time, in Alaska, and everywhere else.

:sarcasm:

[Lithos]

57. Meh

If I believed in a god, that would not be my god.

She would never tolerate crap like that...

L-

[louslobbs]

61. Anyone who forces themselves upon anyone else after they have been told no, is committing rape. And

committing a rape in the name of, and with the alleged sanction of any religion, adds a whole new dimension to this violent criminal act. Yes, even your spouse has the right to say no, they are not a piece of property that you can do with what you want when you want. Get a fleshlight you religious extremist pig, but don't be surprised, if even it says no to your advances or "religiously sanctioned" demands. How would you like it if you were not in the mood and said no, and after you fell asleep, your spouse shoved a cactus up your ass because their interpretation of their religious doctrine said it was ok? Get help!

Lou

[no_hypocrisy]

64. To punish those insolent wives who won't submit to their husbands?

To show her who's on top?

The preacher may say it's OK. Criminal statutes say otherwise.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

68. no offense, but you're lying out your ass

the pastor never said that or anything close to it.

figures...DU member reads something they don't understand and immediately translate it into the most outrageous thing they can think of...

sP