Let's Be Clear, if this Major Debt Deal Includes SS/Medicare/Medicaid Cuts...

[jtown1123]

Every single Senator and Rep. who votes for it is in BIG trouble. This kind of assault on the poor and middle class (behind closed doors, no less) is like nothing we've seen in years. People don't get pissed and desperate until you take money straight out of their pockets. Chaining the Social Security COLA is plain THEFT. And it will be viewed as such.

[RKP5637]

1. Exactly!!! n/t

[LLStarks]

2. I can look past it as long as there is sane tax reform and increased revenue included.

The 3 proposed brackets need work.

[jtown1123]

4. You don't care about SS, Medicaid, Medicare cuts? Are you a Democrat? n/t

[DJ13]

6. Young and insensitive maybe?

[jtown1123]

8. ugh who knows...I'm young but I will fight to the death to protect these programs.

[LLStarks]

15. Short of the 14th Amendment option, I'm just facing the limited choices for a debt ceiling increase.

Reality is very thin right now.

The GOP won't cave enough to prevent cuts.

[jtown1123]

17. Why not pass a clean debt deal? At this point, everyone would vote for it

[LLStarks]

19. I can't imagine such a vote happening before August 1st and before we get downgraded. nt

[sad sally]

25. A one sentence deal - no hidden agendas

A former treasury guy was on CNBC saying that if the debt ceiling wasn't raised it would mean higher interest rates (for all those banks and quasi-banks like golden sacks who siddle up to the discount window for free money) and lower stock prices (for all those hedge fund traders who just can't make enough money).

Somehow this whole deal feels just like the "sky is falling" warnings of Hank Paulson in 2008 - another screwing of Americans so the wealthy corporations and individuals can have another piece of us.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. After 30 years of brainwashing that "SS won't be there when WE retire"

the gullible will help make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[RebelOne]

10. Well, I am a Social Security recipient.

If you were in my shoes, you would not look past it if your benefits were going to be cut.

[jwirr]

32. Especially if they were going to be absent on August 3.

[dbonds]

13. No looking past that betrayal.

And the tax reform is for the rich to pay less than they would with the bush tax cuts.

[jtown1123]

16. Yep.

[FogerRox]

24. 3 brackets is insane, we used to have 67. That was too many.

We should add at least 5 more with increased top rates starting at 1 million.

One cannot possibly describe the curve on a chart of progressive taxation with 6 brackets let alone 3. Unless you ant to increase the tax burden on the bottom 80% and give tax breaks to the Uber rich, top .1%.


3 tax brackets need work? the idea needs to be broken up the way Lawrence Taylor sacked Joe Thiesman.

[rhett o rick]

34. No, you need work. nm

[fascisthunter]

36. must be nice not to need SS, etc.

[monmouth]

3. I'll vote only for the reason to get them all out...n/t

[NightWatcher]

5. they're not in trouble, we are. the same idiots who voted for them will be swayed by wedge issues

[jtown1123]

7. I'm not so sure. There is talk of reducing mortgage interest deductions and other things

the middle class relies on. If this plan resembles Gang of Six, the top tax bracket will have LESS taxes on top of everything else. It will be viewed as a full on assault of the middle class.

[shanti]

9. exactly

you fuck with our money, you WILL get the shaft! :grr:

[jtown1123]

11. It's not brain surgery. People don't forget this kind of stuff when election time comes

[elocs]

12. Once upon a time they would not even consider doing that.

Social Security was the third rail of politics--touch it and you die.

Damn, those were the days.

[woo me with science]

14. Wait a minute.

I thought we were still supposed to be arguing that there is no evidence Obama would actually support cuts. Aren't we still on the argument that he's praising the plan because of three dimensional chess or a "rope-a-dope"?

I'm gonna have to update my schedule. I thought the shift to actually defending and rationalizing benefit cuts wasn't supposed to happen until next week.

[jtown1123]

18. haha

[EFerrari]

20. Today the slide into "He had no choice" began. n/t

[piratefish08]

21. delete - responded to wrong post

[bvar22]

23. Who are you going to vote for?

...The Republicans?
CheckMate!
Hahahahahahahahaha!





Cherish your memories, SUCKERS!
because we're TAKING everything else!
Hahahahahahaha!

[HughBeaumont]

28. Republican, Batshit Fascist or Not Enough Money To Matter. Greasy Spoon USA's Menu Sucks.

[Autumn]

26. Then you can say ,hello republican president

and that will fall right on Obamas dreamy shoulders. Voters will take it out on him and the republicans and the media will "prove" he is the one who pushed for SS/Medicare/Medicaid Cuts.

[MNBrewer]

27. what's the difference?

[Autumn]

30. Damn it. You had to point that out

:thumbsup:

[bvar22]

33. Nothing is going to matter after 2014 anyway.

The MANDATE kicks in in 2014,
and MILLIONS (30 - 60 MILLION) Lower Working Class Americans who are already struggling will be FORCED to BUY
Junk Insurance that they won't be able to use due to High Co-Pay/High deductible.
Democrats will be unelectable for a generation.

But on the bright side,
those in the top 2% will be living like Royalty,
and as our President says,
"We can't begrudge them their wealth."
"They are just savvy businessmen."
"Look at all the Baseball Players."
Its the "Free market."

[_ed_]

38. The difference is that Bush got smacked down

when he tried to fuck with Social Security.

Not so much this time...

Only Nixon could go to China...

[StreetKnowledge]

29. Unemployment is nearly at ten percent anyways, and isn't getting any better.

Cenk Uygur got it right in his comments at TYT. It's a shell game, either way the people with money get what they want and average people get to pay the bill. Don't like it? At this point, it doesn't matter. How is America gonna rise up, exactly? The media tones them down, and always leans conservative. Both political sides are backing this deal, and the media will make sure its the Democrats who get the blame.

You want to fix America?

Riot.

I'm not joking. These clowns won't give in until THEY are scared. That isn't gonna happen at the ballot box because in modern times you just get tweedledumb and tweedledumber. I would prefer that nobody died during this, but at this point, short of burning down the homes of these rich bastards, you're not gonna get what you want, because they own the government.

[Autumn]

31. tweedledumb and tweedledumber.

That's about the choice we are given.

[fascisthunter]

37. Obama is a republican

as far as I and many others are concerned.

[swilton]

35. I view it as THEFT

Don't expect me to vote for a Democrat.