Do you understand the implications of this research? (Bush Fam + Elections)

[grasswire]

I've been asked to post this in a separate thread. It is information that I found by digging and following trails in 2002. I hope it raises ire and many questions.

Written 11/16/2002

In late 1997, a corporation that had consisted of a solid business in auto parts outlets and industrial supplies began to suddenly buy up companies related to voting machines and election services. The company was Tyler Corporation and the CEO was William Oates, founder of Business Resources Corporation and CEO of Business Records Corporation, which he also started. Tyler Corporation purchased Business Records Corporation in 1998, and Oates replaced Fred Meyer, a Dallas man whose credentials include chairmanship of the George W. Bush inaugural, chairmanship of Victory 2000 (the Bush fundraising campaign) and a Bush family crony for many decades. Tyler Corporation changed its name to Tyler Technologies. According to expert Eve Waxtell, Tyler had/has financial ties to Cronus Corporation, which had purchased companies controlling 80 percent of the voting systems (CES, Thornber, and Governmental Data). There are crossover members of boards of directors between Cronus, Tyler, BRC and other entities in the elections services business.

Here's where it gets interesting. After buying an enormous share of the elections business starting in late 1997 and installing Oates (an elections old hand) as CEO, Tyler started dumping this segment in December 2000. Oates left then. I've lost my notes on the stock sales, but I was following some records of insider trading. C.A. Rundell, CEO of Cronus and a director of Tyler, dumped 65,000 shares of Tyler stock in December 2000, for example. The corporation that went from an auto parts business to elections services and installed a CEO with elections experience began to sell all that in December 2000.

Oates is now (2002) the CEO of another new firm that specializes in data collection for government entities; other directors of that company have Cronus and Tyler ties, and all began at Eastman Kodak, which dabbled in election services until scared off by fraud litigations in the 1980s. Fred Meyer is now the CEO of Aladdin, a company he served for many years earlier in his career (he's now 73).

Is there a story here? Some questions beg to be answered. Why did Fred Meyer leave Tyler in 1997? Did he remain a de facto force? Was Oates hand-picked by Meyer?

It would seem that Tyler Company/Corporation was used as a front in order to gather physical control of a vast segment of election services through the 2000 election. It would seem that Fred Meyer stepped aside (at least in name) because he was too close to the Bushes and the Bush campaign.

I have no background in mergers, acquisitions, the corporate world or the stock market. Some of these corporations have changed names, been bought out, bought up, stopped and re-started, merged, etc. There probably are a lot of ways to track more information that I'm just not familiar with. It is true that things are not always what they seem (skim milk masquerades as cream) but the trail begs following, IMO. The implications are staggering, if the story pans out.
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[indurancevile]

1. could you spell out what you see as the implications?

[grasswire]

2. no, I'm not taking that bait. n/t

[aquart]

3. The date. Is this something you started and laid aside?

[grasswire]

4. yep

I realized that I didn't have the expertise to take it farther. I sent this info to two investigative reporters (best-selling authors and friends whose names are well known to DU-ers) and they each said that it was a helluva trail. Honestly, it scared me a bit. Both of these reporters had been targeted by PTB after the selection.

I've just been sitting on it.

[indurancevile]

6. ? I didn't ask as bait. I just don't get the implications.

why did you present it by asking "do you understand the implications?" if you're not going to explain it?

and why is it 'bait' to ask that you answer the question that you yourself posed?

if this is some kind of verboten subject, why are you posting about it?

i don't see the point of your op, then.

[BeHereNow]

23. Welcome to DU- it would serve you well to visit the archives.

Particularly, any thing posted by Octafish about the BFEE. (Bush Family Evil Empire.)
This OP wont make much sense to you without a little background research.
Again, Welcome.
Don't worry about what you do not know: just go and do some research
so the dialogue has some meaning to you.
We all had to start somewhere...

BHN

[indurancevile]

26. i don't see why when the poster can simply tell me what he's talking about.

[FreakinDJ]

5. The company ties to the Bush family are massive

I remember here on DU early 2004 in the run up to the 2004 elections the overwhelming majority of contributors to Bush's reelection campaign were all Defense Contractors with former high ranking MI/CIA officials as the CEO of the Company/Corporation. The speculation was then how many of those companies were actually CIA front companies funneling Government money into Bush's campaign ?

If you are having trouble tracking normal acquisitions and mergers through traditional sources such as the business section of the WSJ it may be intentional

[grasswire]

7. the info was fresh when I was digging...

...I just didn't know enough about financial world to know where to go next. I suspect that many of the links that I had have gone stale by now -- I haven't looked at them for a long time.

[FreakinDJ]

9. Depends how many of the companies are publicly traded vs:

privately owned entities

I believe Publicly Traded Corporations would have SEC filings at a Federal level. Privately held Corporations would be much more difficult to follow as they are only at the state level (I believe)

Mergers are business combination transactions involving the combination of two or more companies into a single entity. Most state laws require that mergers be approved by at least a majority of a company's shareholders if the merger will have a significant impact on either the acquiring or target company.

If the company you've invested in is involved in a merger and is subject to the SEC disclosure rules, you will receive information about the merger in the form of either a proxy statement on Schedule 14A or an information statement on Schedule 14C.

The proxy or information statement will describe the terms of the merger, including what you will receive if the merger proceeds. If you believe the amount you will receive is not fair, check the statement for information on appraisal or dissenter's rights under state law. You must follow the procedures precisely or your rights may be lost.

You can obtain a copy of a company's proxy or information statement by using the SEC's EDGAR database. To learn how to find these statements, read our tutorial on how to use EDGAR. If you know that a company has filed a proxy or information statement with the SEC, use the "Quick Forms Lookup" search and enter either "PREM14A," "DEFM14A," "PREM14C," or "DEFM14C." The form prefixes-"PREM" and "DEFM"-stand for preliminary and definitive statement.

http://www.sec.gov/answers/mergers.htm

[Rex]

8. Interesting.

Seems like more then a coincidence in a long line of them in 2000.

[bananas]

10. k&r nt

[BeFree]

11. Bet ES&S got its start then

There was a senator from Nebraska(?) who was invested in ES&S and who surprisingly won his first election when the machines first took root in his state.

Everywhere ES&S goes, republicans elected to offices are sure to follow.

[BeFree]

13. Hagel was the senator's name

ES&S's election hardware and software now count over 80% of the votes.

They have a monopoly. ES&S is a private corporation which means their books do not have to be disclosed. Just like their software.

[FreakinDJ]

12. I would also like to WARN all DUers about False Flags

DU may have struck a nerve being about the only major group discussing a 14th Amendment solution to the Pending Debt/Deficit crisis looming in Washington.

THIS IS EXACTLY how it is done to discredit/diminish your detractors when they have struck a nerve

I more then most here would love nothing more then to find hard concrete proof to strengthen our elections and throw the Bush/Cheney Cabal behind bar once and for all. But after 8 years posting reading here at DU I can tell you 1 thing for sure. Disinformation has worked far more effectively in covering up the Bush/Cheney Cabal tracks then any thing else.

Would love nothing more to see the Bush/Cheney Cabal finally nailed to the cross - but don't let this divert our attention from the immediate need to keep pressure on House and Senate DEMS to NOT enable the TeaFarty's massive cuts to social programs

[grasswire]

14. are you saying that I am posting this to discredit DU?

??

[BeFree]

15. I wish FreakinDJ would come back and explain.

That was kinda ridiculous.

[FreakinDJ]

17. Sure - I'll voice my concerns

YES - Disinformation is probably 1 of the most powerful tools the CIA/NSA/ASA/MI has in their arsenal second only to information gathering. But information gathering doesn't prevent any thing - Disinformation does. And Bush family Cheney ties with the CIA are irrefutable

With the very real threat the mods could quite possible delete my post I'll say it.

DU at one point was a very active clearing house for information following 911. Almost immediately theories rumors sprang up until there was the crescendo of reality with the Times article "Bush Knew". LIHOP, when all the theory and conjecture were fully removed, left 1 undeniable truth. Bush was quite possibly Criminally Negligent for his failures leading up to 911.

But all of that was completely Lost and Ignored in the ensuing Flap of Conspiracy Theories.

In weeks preceding the release of the Times article DU was invaded by alternate theories. Some so far fetched the majority of DU members actively encourage the authors to take their conjecture else where. Still others actively disproved them. Discussions of CIA disinformation were also active here then too.

The end result of all the easily disproved 911 theories led to ultimate rejection of any one who professed Bush knew. Notice the History Channel's Documentary disputing 911 Theories only addressed LIHOP with 2 sentences and then only to lump it together with MIHOP, (radio control, reprogrammed flight systems, hired assassins and numerous other theories)

I find it Highly Suspicious just as Ohio Voting irregularities are make concrete steps in blowing the lid off Black Box Voting systems - along comes "The Bush Connection"

Like I said "I would love nothing better then to see concrete proof of Bush family complicity surfacing in this issue let alone concrete evidence of the undeniable voting irregularities and Vote Switching. But in lieu of what has happened in the past, I rather see Voting Irregularities / Vote Switching proven rather then be discredited chasing rabbits down a hole, being labeled a "Conspiracy Theorist" and a Toxic Asset to the DEM party

[grasswire]

18. okay, I see your point

But anyone who has the chops to research the leads that I found can follow them to whatever ends they can find. It is what it is. The records are what they are. It's only a conspiracy theory if there is no truth to be found in it.

[BeFree]

19. Thanks

You may know of me and my involvement in an un-named forum.

It has been a concern of mine that some of the crackpot theories in said forum did lead to disinformation and I regret not tasking those posters. My excuse was that with the inordinate amount of just plain bs from uh, the opposition, there wasn't much time or inclination to go after the disinfo agents. That was a mistake, I see now.

Then there has been my involvement in the ER forum from which flowed so much good info that I am firmly in belief that that story has much more unknown than even the other situation. So, your post did get my attention, and grasswires' posting about a BFEE connection was quite news. To me.

We do live in interesting times.

[grasswire]

20. who would ever have imagined...

...that the Bushies would use a shell corporation (auto parts) to buy up voting systems companies, and then sell off the holdings not a month after the election of 2000? I think it's something totally missed. Even if it doesn't totally pan out, it certainly is a trail worth following.

And this isn't disinformation. It is what it is.

[BeFree]

21. I had never run across that before

You should post it in the election reform forum. There are still a few renegades <grin> there.

Thanks.

[grasswire]

22. it was posted over there four years ago

FWIW

[some guy]

16. Are you

referring to your post or grasswire's?

In post 5, you appear to offer more relevant substance.
In post 12 you're shouting about deception.

Pick a side and stay on it, if you want to be considered credible.

[BeHereNow]

24. Paging Octafish... for the newbies on this thread.

Hello GW- great post, thanks.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

25. Shoot! Too late to Rec' so I will Kick It!

:kick:
bhn