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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:30 PM Original message |
Why is the 14th Amendment not an option, and why won't they use it? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama didn't say he wouldn't - just said he would like to reach agreement |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Not to mention, REALLY bad precedent. |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because the consensus is the 14th amendment doesn't permit the president to override the debt limit |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I don't care what Geithner or Tribe said. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. You don't care if the President does something blatantly unconstitutional. |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Isn't that why Republicans love Lincoln so much ? n/t |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Are you suggesting the Civil War was unconstitutional? |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I was alluding to Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus.... |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. fuck no I don't and neither do most people. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You don't know what you are talking about. |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. The 14th amendment also |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. 1 BIG Problem - Issuing Treasury Bonds is not Taxation |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Another thing for you. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Won't have to prove it in court because it will never get there. |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The only reason it won't get there |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
54. It is no where close to "blatantly" unconstitutional. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. Then you are not a reasonable person. |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Gee whiz. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Of course they aren't which is why we have to be for the good of the country |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. I'm sorry but Obama isn't really dealing with 'reasonable people" right now. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Doesn't matter what Geithner thinks |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. The power to go into debt was given to the Congress in the US Constitution. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Why would allowing the president to do this kill off the power of the purse? nt |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. RIGHT you are and they already voted once to create the debt |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. They approved all the debt they amassed under Bush |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. That is not what the vote is about |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. WRONG - the president does not have the authority to with hold funds |
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Shrek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
18. If the 14th empowers Obama to raise the debt ceiling |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I don't know, but I know I would. |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The constitution also says that tax legislation has to originate in the House - nt |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So it originated in the House, didn't it? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Correct - but we are not talking about additional Taxes |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. And what if a judge issues an injunction blocking Obama's use of the 14th Amendment pending a court |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. It would go to SCOTUS |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Let them block it. Let them take it to court. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I am not confused and I don't appreciate your calling me lame. |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I'm through with this. You made your points |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
24. The courts have not ruled on whether or not the 14th Amendment can be applied in this case. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I beleive you have the question backwards |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Are you absolutely sure that that the courts would accept your interpretation? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. If Aug 2 comes and goes without a solution |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. We are going around in circles here. What happens if the GOP gets a court injunction blocking |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I'm not going in circles - you might be - but I'm not |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Legal scholars are discrediting the idea that the president has the power to circumvent the debt |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. 50/50 |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. You just made my point. Legal scholars are divided over this. So should we take |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Are you absolutely sure that SCOTUS' supreme masters, corporate America will allow them to issue an |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Absolutely. Besides that, if the repukes |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Especially after the Side Show this week passing CCB |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. So the courts are going to rule on something |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
48. Oh, it's an option. A last ditch option. The best option. nt |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
49. Same reason the 60-vote filibuster wasn't changed by the Dems. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
50. Who says he won't use it? If he was to use it, he wouldn't until August 2nd... not July 21st. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
53. they're afraid--it could be fluffed up into an Impeach Obama situation |
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