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OKDem08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:00 AM Original message |
Activists of the 60's...tell me what happened pls |
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RandySF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. I wasn't around for the 60's |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. And we made the nightly news. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The Draft was the Grease that moved the movement |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Now in GOPMediaLand, Noone Can Hear You Scream |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Who's "noone"??? (eom) |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
86. omg a yippee |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Yippee! |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
113. Cleverly named "Pigasus" (No lipstick, just oink) |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. Taking to the streets |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. What can I tell you? We simply wouldn't put up with it. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Speak for yourself. A few posers were corrupted and became RepubliCons |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
104. And that's why the hard right tends to be so hard on Baby Boomers....... |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
47. Meh. Most people eventually had to get a job. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. Whose "we?" |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
70. No one I know became a stockbroker. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. The young were the driving force |
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OKDem08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. the young are mired in debt and preoccupied...by design perhaps? |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. The young feel immortal |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. "Knowing one is about to die concentrates the mind wonderfully." |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Samuel Johnson (nt) |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. What did the young accomplish other than getting Nixon elected? |
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Gemini Cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
96. What did the yippies accomplish? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Us young folks ARE angry. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. Well in a LOT of cases (maybe most) the |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. That is what Anonymous is doing, getting in their faces. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Yep and that's a good thing |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. IMO it's going to take some time for any radicalism to heat up. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Agreed and, not only that, it IS happening |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
9. We had a free press, not a corporate propaganda machine masquerading as a free press. |
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Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. +1. very well said. |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
33. THIS! I missed the draft by a couple of years but I remember. |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
43. +1 everthing you said Elwood, except |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #43 |
91. 2-3 million dead southeast Asians vs. 1 million estimated Iraqi dead. 58,000+ U.S. Vietnam War vets |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:24 AM Response to Original message |
10. The draft and the war |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
93. 2-3 million Americans (mostly youth) participated to some degree |
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Gemini Cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
95. "We discovered that mostly through hallucinogens..." |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. yes, your right |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. The force is youth. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
13. The hippies were unprepared for the backlash that came from the establishment, |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Sorry, that's what happened. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I think that's an unfair characterization. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I've seen that too. It's heartening |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. What I'm saying is there were real hippies and false hippies |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. +1 |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
44. right on the mark |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
50. VERY good point and one I saw first hand |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
83. I was actually a little too young to be a hippie |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Yeah and I HATED the term......... |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. BTW, |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
16. The "southern strategy" |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. "Smirk." - Rush DraftDodger Limbaugh (R) |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
22. I'd say ithe movement was mostly about sharing |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Yes, and the counterculture movement was not hooked on |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
24. Recommended. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
25. The Hippies were a small minority of their generation. |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Some of us were serious but, I agree, we young |
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postatomic (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. You couldn't be more wrong |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Get over yourself. You didn't do very much at all. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. The labor radicalism of the 30s was far more effective than you guys were. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You're right, but we were closer than anything that's |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. The difference was that the radicalism of the 30s was by working class folks. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. True, but this commie WAS working class |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
31. Two interesting books on the topic |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
34. the visible issues (war, draft) went away |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I also think we kept pressure on to bring down Nixon AND |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
38. A free press and the draft...a brutal combination |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Yep. News for profit killed the US press. If some of the investigative |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
73. I think 60 Minutes started going downhill |
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msedano (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
40. nothing's changed |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
41. Being too young to have been a real Hippie but old enough to have wanted to be one here's my take |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
42. I will never forget that evening of the draft lottery in '69. My fellow high school |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
45. It degenerated into terrorism and murder. |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Only if one believed Time Magazine. "It" (the Movement) was not |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
46. Many things were involved and it seemed like Mario Savio started it all |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. Savio was an interesting catalyst in Berkeley, but hardly the spark of a generation |
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postulater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
48. That was chapter one. This is chapter two |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Chapter Two |
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Drew Richards (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
52. Its not that simple or cut and dry |
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Drew Richards (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Oh Heck ok so I admit it... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
56. I'm not a boomer, but having studied it what happened was: Divide and Conquer |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
57. If you want to see how to organize for change, DO NOT LOOK AT 60's RADICALS. |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. BS ...IMHO |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. The right-wing hangs Jane Fonda in effigy even today. That's the indelible image |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. So...if I understand you, todays progressives are ineffectual because 60's |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. You're right that there's no pleasing the right wing. But Archie Bunker wasn't |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. So in your mind the 60's activists not only messed it all up for this |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #84 |
102. Yes . . . when cigar smoking blue collar guys in hard hats cussed the "hippies" marching in the |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. "...we lost" ?? |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. My point is this: |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Check this video at about 20 minutes in . . . |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Very good point about Alinsky. The 60s movements failed because they turned off working class folks. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Thank you. You got it right from what I can see. nt |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. Your post is a classic example of how successful Reagan and crew were |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Agreed. And Reagan's media manipulators also had to vilify Freeze supporters |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Ronald Reagan VS The Hippies--the Great White Father of hippie bashing speaks |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. "...images of gyrating torsos, some of them naked..." Oh, the horror! |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
58. According to my Dad it was a few things that destroyed the movement |
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Drew Richards (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Now that I think about it... |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. That and |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Well, sometimes dad's aren't always correct. What he asserts is interesting, but |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
88. Other things, you mean like |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Is your reply for me or the sub-thread, 'cause I agree about |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. Ooops, sorry, no it was not directed at you |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
89. There are library SHELVES devoted to the 60's, and you want the time wrapped in a POST? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
90. In short: civil insurrection and collapse of the military chain of command. |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
92. prisoner's dilemma. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
100. Here is my view of things. I was drafted in 1966 and was sent to Vietnam. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. We began working in the slave market and then became |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Like VN, perspective depends on when you were there, where you were, what you did |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Winter Soldiers |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. What did it for me was the Tet offensive. In February 1968 near Bein Hoa air base |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
110. Two aspects of activism in the 60's |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
111. Dupe - delete |
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