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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:37 PM Original message |
Is Dr. David Kelly buried at the heart of the Murdoch scandal? |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. IMHO, it was an MI6 hit and nothing to do with Murdoch. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Murdoch and "rogue elements" of MI6 are probably connected. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The whole damned gang is connected but like you |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Interesting. |
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northoftheborder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. Similar questions wafting through my brain. |
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tibbiit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:35 PM Original message |
When I first heard about this hacking thing |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
47. I had similar gut reactions... But I was wonder about Plame, and |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. These people are all aspens... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. What does "turning" imply? nt |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Right now, it means they are under enough pressure |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
80. I always wondered what that meant during the Plame outing. So they were talking |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:27 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Libby probably meant something a bit different. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
77. When I started thinking about the suspicious deaths |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. Would it help to point out it was Thames Valley Special Branch, not the Met? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I'm a dot-connector at heart. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You may not have seen my edit; Hayman was in Norfolk from 2002 to 2005 |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. You're relying to much on hierarchic chains of command. Think in terms of networks of influence. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Well, they knew him and lived with him |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That's a good smokescreen. I'm impressed. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I brought up Norfolk because that's where Hayman worked at the time |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Hayman is not "central" to my theory - that, again, is your characterization. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. "Hayman's centrality is more than a molecule" - your reply #6 |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:30 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Lest you have forgotten, I'm not the only person who thinks it wasn't suicide. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You are not "just pointing out" links - you have made them up |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. That's an interesting line of attack. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Can I just interject that married couples often don't fully know what's going on with their spouse? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. But she's still far more likely to have the insights than anyone else |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Was she an investigator in the case? Is she a medical doctor? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Of course they're fucking evidence |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Please don't cuss, children may be reading this. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Because you dismiss his widow, and you attack me as 'blowing smoke' |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Deleted message |
JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
66. Is it possible that the same discouragement and grief that |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Only in the minds of the spin artists. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Deleted message |
GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I can't speak to anyone's motivation but my own. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Right on time |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. You have a point. |
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emcguffie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
45. Just curious... (I have replied to the wrong post) |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Maybe the wrong post, but you definitely replied to the right person... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. BTW, it looks to me like Mangold is a government disinformation artist. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I don't regard teh BBC as propaganda, and it'll take more than an unknown blogger |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Who said the Beeb was propaganda? Not I. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. The blogger you quote: "a BBC employee (propagandist?)" (nt) |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. That's a reference to the man being a propagandist, not his employer. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
65. What did Hayman do at News International? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Hayman had a varied relationship with NI |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
9. Your last paragraph I believe will turn out to be stunningly true |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. I'm with you. FOX, Ailes, Norquist, Cheney, Bush 41 (CIA) and 43: up to their eyeballs. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
41. FOX has functioned as wholly owned subsidiary of the RNC |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. Breitbart, O'Keefe.. All the ratfuckers are connected at the roots. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
44. I feel some guilt |
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Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. K&R |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. K & R !!! |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. We will probably never see more than whats on the bent corner of a page. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
14. I believe there are journalists who work for the intelligence agencies |
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tiny elvis (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
56. who has seen an explanation why news int would spy on the 7/7 families |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
86. Ever heard of the Jersey Girls? TPTB don't like questioners; must keep track. |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. Along with Robert Maxwell's demise...Murdock's Media rival.. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. And there are the lingering questions about the death of Robin Cook |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Hmm, this is reminding me of the recent death of Christopher Shales |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Reported minutes ago: News of the World phone hacking whistleblower found dead |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Very interesting, indeed |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
19. Some of the last email exchanges that David Kelly had were with NY Times Judith Miller... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
42. The Miller connection was very strange. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Kelly was a source for Miller's book "Germs" |
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Selena Harris (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. MUST READ ARTICLE-Porton Down and Operation Rockingham |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Fuck! And THANK YOU! You're right - EVERYBODY needs to read this. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Big money is, as we speak, working to contain the Murdochian Scandal. Cf: Walsh Report, Iran-Contra. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. No question about it. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. k&r... |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
23. Probably. I haven't forgotten Dr. David Kelly, |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. My brow furrows at the mention of his name. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
53. So far I'd file this under 'wild speculation.' |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. You think so? Try reading this and then saying that. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 02:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Nothing there surprises me. Were you thinking I was just not terrified enough? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:23 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I'm glad you're not surprised. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. It just seems to me that it isn't wise to involve a lot of organizations in an assassination. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. There's no need to involve a lot of organizations as such |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
54. I've Suspected Kelly's Phone Was Hacked, But This Is Extreme, No? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I don't actually think "Murdoch's people" did it. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
57. Well, just from a cursory reading, there sure |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
59. ironic timing for this OP, given the, uh, erm, hm, 'unexplained, not suspicious' death of Sean Hoare |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I know. It's a little spooky, actually. nt |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Man was I just thinking the same. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
61. Yes |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
74. Thanks -- interesting indeed -- !! |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Thanks! I think we may have different interpretations of what I meant by "dwarfs Watergate" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Then I completely agree with you --- |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Backlashes |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. True -- |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
88. Impossible! That would be a "conspiracy theory" and we KNOW such things don't happen. |
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