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dynasaw (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:45 AM Original message |
The Absurd Taboo in Discussing Family Size |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. q) At current birth rates, how long will it take the US population to go up 50% |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Nope; about 56 years |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Those include immigration. (nt) |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. So does real life |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Population growth in the US has nothing to do with families. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. TFR for the US was 2.122 in 2007, according to US Census |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. 2.06 per the CIA |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. So you're saying it's fine for whites to have big families |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Careful. That strawman looks pretty heavy. Wouldn't want it to fall on you. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. "the Gonzales' family of eight"? Where the fuck has that come from? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. The birthrate of "The developed world" is collapsing. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. And the Beckhams, with 4 (so far) children, are far above replacement level |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
107. so is the birthrate of the third world. world birthrates in general have been declining for decades |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #56 |
87. thank you... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Population growth is entirely the result of immigration. n/t |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. It balances out I suppose |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. And with all those damn people dying. Throws the whole curve off. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. The average is about two |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Right, someone else is having my share and they're welcome to them. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. Can't recommend this topic enough |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. Check the demographics before lecturing. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Those bothersome "facts" just get in the way of a good head of sanctimony, though. (nt) |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. You'll find the Optimum Population Trust know the demographics extremely well |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
49. Why do YOU think Caucasian males no longer sit atop the US demographic pole? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I can't understand your question |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Okay, fine; ignore ethnicity. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. So what's your question now? |
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HappyMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
100. Um...so you are worried that 'white males' |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
5. Your body, your choice - unless we have decided we don't like that anymore (nt) |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. +1 |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. vs: Children Starving to death in 3rd world countries |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. But people have been starving to death since the invention of civilizaiton. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. But Birth Control is ILLEGAL in many countries |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. name one of the "many". |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Philippines |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Now name some more, "one" not being "many." (nt) |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Argentina |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Yes, you need to come up with different examples, because yours are incorrect |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Dubai |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Dubai is part of the United Arab Emirates. Birth control is not illegal there. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. No, it's legal in the country, although the government does nothing to encourage it |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Changed within the last 7 years |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. not according to the nyt. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. It's illegal to smuggle alcohol in most countries |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. birth control is not illegal in the philippines. abortion is illegal, not birth control. |
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dynasaw (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. 13 Million Children in the U.S. are Starving |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. "experience hunger" or "at risk of hunger" does not equal "starving". |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
84. They were starving when we had a billion people and even when we had fewer |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Yeah, funny how it's ok to tell women what to do with their bodies when we agree with it |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Actually, at some point, it becomes everyone's business. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Since childbirth in the US is below replacement level, clearly everyone is *not* deciding that. (nt) |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Stats for that, please |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. The world population grows tremendously, however.. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. The only reason US pop is growing at all is immigration |
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dynasaw (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. You forget the Fundamentalists |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. So it's only third-world countries that have to watch their populations? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #51 |
85. We have the one of the least densely populated 1st world nations |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. We still have a responsibility to regulate our own growth. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. And if our growth is stagnant |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. None. We might not be growing.. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. We're among the most populous but we also occupy a lot of space |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. At some point, aggregate numbers matter. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Which do you suppose has a greater impact on the environment |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
71. I'm not "framing" it as choice. It IS choice. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #71 |
82. You need a license to drive a car. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #82 |
102. I agree |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
96. Were any of those suggestions part of the original article? |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. That's already the case. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. So, in your last question, you're insinuating that the state should regulate the population |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Ah, the joy of having my ideas decided by others. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. We certainly should not merely tolerate, but condone... |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. In many countries Birth Control is Illegal |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. I guess "my body, my choice" only applies to those who make the "right" choices. n/t |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. That's a non sequitur. The article in fact points out that draconian measures like |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
91. I'm afraid I do not understand how the one denies the other... |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
6. free condoms and pregnancy prevention for the whole planet asap nt |
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Ta-Daaaaaaa! |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. My biggest problem... |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
8. There are legislative solutions to this |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
74. Since population is a global issue, |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
79. us total fertility rate is at or below replacement rate. |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. While I agree that family size is an important issue that should be |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
21. OP fail |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. US Census say total fertility rate is above replacement level |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. really? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. US Census > Wikipedia (nt) |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:12 AM Response to Reply #46 |
78. this also says 2011 total fertility rate = 2.06 = below replacement rate. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
50. I think that families should only be allowed to have one child. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. How soon? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You have facts to back that up? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Yes. Many. |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. You would do well in China. |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Well, I have & they're doing fine |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Sure they are... |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I am not agreeeing that the GOVT should do this |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Agreed! |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #50 |
86. How do you stop people who decide to have more? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. So people should keep having children unchecked then? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Ok, so overbreeding is the problem |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
103. Eugenics is such a strong word |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
97. I think that people who think that should do that |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
66. We will copulate ourselves right out of existance. |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:06 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. agreed |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. LOL so true |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
70. I'm concerned that a lot of my 20-something woman peers want lots of kids. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Most of my peers want no kids. I'm 30. n/t |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
81. Threads like these really bring out the racists and hypocrites, don't they? n/t |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
83. US/UK aren't the problem |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
88. I think having kids until you get the sex of your choice is wrong. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
90. Saw a couple at dinner the other night with 4 kids, they couldn't control them. |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
104. That is indeed a good point... |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
108. Interesting comments here. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
110. The UK is on the brink of a population crash, they actually need more young people there. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. UK population is expected to grow about 15% in the next 22 years |
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