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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:38 AM Original message |
Can any of you Obama backers explain why military spending is mostly off the table, but SS is not? |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. greed. |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
244. MI;ITARY IS DESTROYING AMERICA |
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dbt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. Corporations. |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Military Industrial Complex - Ike warned us: |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
185. ike was the last good republican president |
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joshdawg (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 02:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
196. Regardless of my disappointments |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
3. Can't explain that |
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firehorse (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm not an apologist - agreeing - but curious what our economy would be if stopped exporting guns |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Is that why |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. They don't go after Canada or Mexico, do they? |
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Plucketeer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
156. They should STOP making weapons and using them |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. I was shocked yesterday when a Republican relative said |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
166. Yep, same thing happened to me. Both of my friends who are Republicans |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. I am one of the usual suspects. I can't defend Defense being 58% of the budget. |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. Man... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Deleted message |
freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
129. 'He disrupted badly...' |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
207. Man... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. Thanks! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
77. My World is much simpler. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
152. What leftwing and socialist bullshit? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
46. "Usual suspects"? WTF does that mean? I'm happy to talk about cutting military expenditures. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
71. Republicans with a (D) behind their names |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
201. +1000! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
75. How about Democratic ideals and principals, |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
170. Your post doesnt make sense. You say you are willing to "talk" about cutting defense |
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RevStPatrick (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
9. Here's why: |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Are you saying we have a commander in cheif who is willing to |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
119. +1 |
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Incitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
173. Maybe because the bad guy are the only ones who an touch him. or his family |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. The link is to the Zapruder/JFK assasination film clip |
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DeadEyeDyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
143. Normally I would agree but after following the link, I think |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
191. Precisely, ever since then Democrats have been intimidated n/t |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
10. chirp |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
11. As far as Sacred Cows go, the military beats SS and Medicare hoofs down. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. Simple. Elderly living on $1,000 a month can't make campaign contributions |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. So |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
91. You noticed that too, eh? |
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Incitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
174. What will be the exuse in term 2 if he acts the same way? |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #174 |
188. in term 2 there will be no |
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Incitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:58 AM Response to Reply #188 |
192. So does it matter who we are able to elect, or are more extreme measues necessary? |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #188 |
228. Fellow Gator, how is it going? |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #228 |
251. its hot and dry |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. Well, it's hot and humid over here. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
101. The elderly are one of the most reliable voting blocs. |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #101 |
205. We will soon witness the power of the elderly if the President cuts their bennies. If a GOOPER |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
227. I read that of the huge amount that he raised this past quarter, |
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SoutherDem (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
14. I want to know too |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yes, as Commander-in-Cheif, he can bring the troops home anytime. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. But if US leaves weapons behind, it hurts markets for MIC |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. "...Also, how do you stop a war...?" |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
15. War materiel is practically the only manufacturing/exporting we still have. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. If stimulating the economy is the reason why we are at war, |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. It is also completely failing to lead the economy back to health |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
122. Bingo. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
220. The sad truth is that we are a profoundly immoral country |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
87. Nonsense |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
104. Nonsense. |
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blank space (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #104 |
131. No, America is not |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
229. Apparently China is too busy making shit for US to buy ... |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
21. perhaps our soldiers would be happier rebuilding infrastructure in the US instead of wrecking it |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
130. That's what I've always advocated. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
23. There are military cuts |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. What amount? |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Shhh. It's a secret. He'd tell you, but he'd have to kill you! |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Something like 75 - 100 billion, over 5 years |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. It's not a cut when they transfer money from one program to another |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #25 |
218. O's plan: cut about $500 billion from defense budget |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. The fact that the Joint Chiefs are floating the Draft as a result of Defense cuts, |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Where is there ANY logical connection or explanation? (From experts, not you) |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. 'Hiring' more soldiers to save money?! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
89. The are not floating a draft |
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DeadEyeDyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
147. good way to end the war(s) |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
82. Yes, and they are so miniscule that even Republicans can |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:31 AM Response to Reply #82 |
211. Sabrina, always with the perfect answer. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
171. Bull shit. nm |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #171 |
214. Perfect response. nt |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #214 |
233. Did you notice that he didnt stick around for discussion? I call that a drive-by fruiting. |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
24. Pew: (But the lawmaker/ politicians aren't listening) |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
26. Predicted spin: He has and will continue to cut MIC, but it's a secret |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. If US troops stay in Iraq past 12/31/11, armed resistance promised to escalate. |
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Tennessee Gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
30. It is included. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. No specifics given: "conduct a review", "pushing hard to eliminate waste" |
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Tennessee Gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Where are your specifics? |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
69. You made my point beautifully, Thank you so much! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. $400 billion by 2023? As you can see, we need to reduce the budget by 2/3's PER YEAR, |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
216. "Why would he, as a Democrat, support this?" |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Thanks TG. Even the uber hawkish *Simpson -Bowles* had deeper cuts |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
34. Who cares about useless eaters? Get rid of them and the deficits will disappear. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
217. Why sarcasm? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
35. All talk of cutting any programs should be stopped as long as |
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Ragnarok (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
37. Because we're fighting... |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
42. Why? That's answered in this other thread... |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
43. When Vietnam ended we had streets lined with factories around here to employ them at |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
76. Yes ...war = jobs. It;s so nice of us tax payers to be paying for jobs. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
48. ! Obama: Fiscal Commission Cut Defense Too Deep (July 15) |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. i.e. "Thou shalt not touch my golden calf" |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. And that was the most conservative call for cuts. He's way to the right of THAT. |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
49. Cuts to Defense spending are on the table. Study up, |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Let's see your numbers. n/t |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Let's see yours |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. We've got some upthread. Global ball park stuff. What have you got? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Hey, your stigmata are showing! 400 billion in cuts over 12 years on a war budget |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
50. From the book "War is a Racket" |
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Egalitariat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
53. I think it would be more informative to show a pie chart that included slices for both discretionary |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Not in my opinion. They are two separate pos of money |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
149. I mean two seperate POTS of money. (typo) |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
54. Because of the same reason why the military was not drastically reduced |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. I think US business interests believe that they will be able to purchase |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. It will be interesting to see what will happen to the renminbi and China's |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
58. I am pretty sure that SS and Medicare |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. I wish you were 100 % certain. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 04:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
198. Me too |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. Um... because leaders who've never been to war think it's a video game? |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
64. I feel it's self explanatory. |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:37 PM Original message |
Why are you asking just the Obama Supporters? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
72. $400 billion by 2023, on a total defense spending of over a trillion a year, is pretty much |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
66. Because Republicans are willing to "compromise" to rob us but not the military. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
68. Because it takes a big effort to transition from destructive to productive jobs. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
74. Who |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. But that's only 400 billion over 12 years on total defense spending of over 1 trillion per year! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Oh brother |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Simply. Not. Enough. There is no reason to cut any social spending until this problem is solved. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. What's "Simply. Not. Enough."? n/t |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. The amounts of cuts he's proposing, We need trillions over 12 years. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. How much is he proposing? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. He is proposing 400 billion by 2023, or 33 billion a year. We need 330 billion per year cut which |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. . |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
175. He hasn't cut defense spending. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #175 |
234. But he "might". Isnt that good enough? He "might". nm |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Which will trim a whopping 33 Billion a year. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #79 |
221. That's roughly the size of the National Institutes of Health budget |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #221 |
232. That's a great example of how fucked up this is. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #232 |
243. exactly-- how sick is this? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Obama rejected that $800 bil amount (Conrad's proposal) |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. That is not |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
134. Funny... Obama's never rejected the Commission's 22% cut of Social Security benefits |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
110. Ezra Klein put the Simpson-Bowles proposed figure at $800 bil. Conrad- proposal $800 billion. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
172. Willing to "look" for billions to cut. LOL. All they promise is to "look". |
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Philippine expat (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
83. Which reason do you want? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
86. Because Obama enjoys wars? nt |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
120. I do think he likes bombing and nation-building. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
88. Who's going to hire all the military-industrial-complex 'new' jobless... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Put them to work |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I'm all for that. Problem is, the 'cuRRent' house hostage taker$... |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #96 |
115. Doesn't solve the budget problem |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
121. That's a great proposal |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
90. Because it's not. Your premise is false. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Statements like |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Deleted message |
KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #103 |
235. Obama Baggers- well, that says it all. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #97 |
150. Seriously though, |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
164. I tend to qualify that by saying "unquestioning Obama supporters." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
102. People get "these notions" from the President who spent the better part |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. If you haven't heard that it's because you don't want to. He's said it often , and loudly. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
128. +100 Cap'n! The absurd thread title says all that need be said |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #90 |
226. Obama is talking about PAPER cuts |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
92. Greedy scum bag savage war monger chicken hawks. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
94. Because the MIC has nice lobbyists with fat chequebooks |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
95. this supporter says he's a president not a wizard |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Yes, as Commander-in-Cheif, he can bring the troops home anytime. |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
106. As you target "Obama supporters," I'll just say ... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
111. He's either a sell-out to the MIC or afraid the MIC will take him out |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
112. could not agree with you more. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
114. Why isn't the budget for Social Security broken out in your pie chart? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #114 |
148. Because SS comes from a seperate pool of money - look at your paycheck under FICA. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
116. You claim that Defense spending is "mostly off the table" ... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #116 |
146. Here |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
117. Because it's the only stimulus spending that can get through Congress |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #117 |
145. But it's the worst kind of stimulus as it produces long term drain from health care costs, and |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:41 AM Response to Reply #145 |
212. The worst kind of stimulus is still stimulus. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
118. Arms manufacturing is all US has left besides service industries? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #118 |
144. Yes, but if we swapped that out for producing the best wind turbines, and solar plants |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
123. No. They can't. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
124. Attacking Social Security and Medicare are things conservatives have wanted since they were |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
125. No they can't. Or won't. - K&R n/t |
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BrightSideOfLife (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
126. Well, it's easy, see... |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #126 |
245. There was no reason to go to war with Iraq |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
127. Military spending is NOT off the table, |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #127 |
142. Why should SS "rationing" be on the table? It DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE ONE NICKEL to the deficit! |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #142 |
151. Actually, the 116 billion paid in interest to the SS Trust Fund does contribute to the deficit. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #151 |
158. The only logical solution |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #158 |
165. I've wondered if the Trust Fund special issues bonds could be made non-interest bearing. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #165 |
181. With inflation, that would be stealing from the fund. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:37 AM Response to Reply #181 |
187. True but most any reduction would be thought of as "stealing". |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #187 |
247. That may well be negotiable...! |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #165 |
240. That would be theft |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #151 |
183. When you borrow money from a bank, you are not CONTRIBUTING to the banks deficit. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #183 |
186. However, the person who took out the loan as to count it as a debt. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #186 |
246. Correct. SS does not contribute one nickel to the debt. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #151 |
231. Well SS recipients have paid extra for years. Not their fault the gov't spent it. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #142 |
160. 'Therefore' nothing. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #160 |
182. So, simply raise the cap so that people pay into it when they make more than $116,000/year. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #182 |
189. Yes |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #127 |
169. 7 billion out of 3 trillion--check my math--.5% |
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udbcrzy2 (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
132. I guess the war profiteers have too much at risk for that |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
133. With regards to military I am disappointed with Obama |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
135. When I asked the same question, I was told the reason is |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. What that would mean is he would rather try to manipulate us into calling rather than asking |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
136. because repubs wont go for it either. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. The #1 thing Obama can do, without any concessions from the chicken-hawks on the right, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
137. Well, since Gates himself came forward with billions in cuts... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. The Pentagon need not cower from the budget fight - they are soldiers, after all. Let's put them |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
138. Go for It G2! |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
153. As a recipient of both SS and Medicare |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
154. Do you have a link and citation for your graphics? I want to print them out and hand them around. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #154 |
163. right-click on the graph, and ask for "View image Info" |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #163 |
238. thank you! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #154 |
180. Link |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #180 |
239. Thank you. I K&Red earlier. Thanks very much for posting this. |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
155. The stealth theft of social security is back on the table, it seems: |
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Veracious (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
157. WHO YOU GONNA VOTE FOR The Republiklan? |
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whathappened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
159. looks like pnac is going |
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summerschild (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #159 |
195. Yes, PNAC is alive and well |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
161. The prez has spat on every Dem president of the 20th century |
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roberto IS beto (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
162. he's still pissed about the Nobel Peace Prize |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
167. And don't forget that the military budget may be larger than |
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Phlem (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
168. you know.... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #168 |
176. Check your ignore list. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
177. Listen to Lawrence O'Donnell. Just because the President says |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-11 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
178. Um, yeah, why? nt |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
179. Defense spending, as a percentage of the budget, is less then it was in 1960 |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
184. the military has been an unemployment numbers reduction device since reagan |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
190. There is no rational explanation for that chart unless your a alien |
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farscape (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
193. Easy answer |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
194. because he is governing with a Republican and conservative Democrat working majority? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #194 |
224. Probably not. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #224 |
242. I agree, I was simply stating HOW he's doing that. |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
197. Helping seniors and poor people isn't profitable, |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
199. Because that is his jobs program? |
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FlyByNight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
200. Simply, the MICC doesn't want the budget cut |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
202. Please...with all the charts - you seem to be intelligent... |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
203. Because Republicans control the House of Representatives? |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
204. Would it be because folks on SS can't donate the cash that... |
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radhika (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
206. Cuz Repugs LOVE military spending - HATE SS |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
208. I suspect that the party leaders |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
209. It is monstrously profitable, and.... |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
210. A perfect post. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
213. The big question should be: |
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Amaya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
215. america is an empire |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #215 |
222. Not going to be an empire much longer at this rate |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
219. Not an Obama backer but simply put, we are ruled by evil psychopaths |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
223. If you're going to piss some segment of the population off . . . |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
225. See what we're trading off in jobs and infrastructure |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
230. Defense cuts have NEVER been off the table - Obama listed some in April and he has more now |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #230 |
237. You are soooo right. The OP should have said, "essentially off the table". nm |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #230 |
241. $400 bil and HOPES to get more |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #230 |
249. I said "MOSTLY" off the table, 33 billion per year is not really cutting |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
236. Military budget cuts are off the table because it is our only jobs program - |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
248. Three words... |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
250. K&R |
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