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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:11 PM Original message |
What do you think of this Lawrence O'Donnell notion that Obama is winning the debt ceiling fight? |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. you can answer the question... |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So McConnell "gives in" and SS & MC get gutted (& Obama gets the blame)..that's a win for us? |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I never said that.... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. +1...nt |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. The debt ceiling and MC & SS have been decoupled. Negotiations for what is to |
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SugarShack (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Lawrence has been making Obama's case and it's UNCONVINCING! |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. it is beside the point. We all want BO to be |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Both Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders are of the opinion that MC can be improved to serve |
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Whiskeytide (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. I'm not crazy about it either |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. that's what i think |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. A win would be coming out of this with raised taxes on the wealthy, and no cuts at |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Good points |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. +1 |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. good analysis. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. What about Medicare's financial problems? How will it survive? Are all moneys involved in MC |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. And there you have it |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Spot on |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. I don't watch TV |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. glorified capitulation |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
13. Defining "winning" as getting the position he started with, raise ceiling without cutting spending.. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. On August 1, I bet Wall Street is willing to give up the jets. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. They might be willing... but it won't get that far. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. As opposed to defining "winning" as something that is impossible at this point in time? Shall we |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. There's no need to get so defensive that you become incoherent. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
17. Jonathan Alter believes so too. He believes the GOP are coming |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
19. Obama "Nothing Is Agreed To, Unless Everything Is Agreed To." |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
23. The chance of the debt ceiling not being raised is and always was 0%.. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. +rec, yeah as if his corporate overlords suddenly overcame thier addictions. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
24. I hope he's right. Lawrence has more insight on these issues because |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
26. I hope he's right. That's all I can say at this point. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
32. I recall a short time back Republicans were out in force reassuring business |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
33. I have a feeling many of us have different definitions of "winning" in this situation. nt |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
34. I think Obama is winning, not so sure I'm winning |
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