U.S. Helps “Rebels” Murdering Black Libyans

[blindpig]

U.S. Helps “Rebels” Murdering Black Libyans

Misrata Ethnically Cleansed of Blacks Says Wall Street Journal…

The implication is bewildering. Could it be true the Libyan “rebels”—who we’re told are fighting to protect innocent civilians—are now committing mass murder, lynching and terrorizing Black Libyans and African migrant workers?

Sadly, the evidence is mounting that this awful truth is exactly the case in Libya—right now. Ironically, we know this, partly, because of reporting done by the conservative Wall Street Journal publication in an article on June 21. Where the hell is the New York Times, CNN and all those, supposedly, “liberal” news organizations on a story of such macabre magnitude?

The Wall Street Journal story, reports that the “rebels” who’re, supposedly, fighting to save the Libyan people, have unleashed a wave of racial violence against Black Libyans, and, other Africans who find themselves caught in the war zone. Apparently, these “liberators” are busy trying to “ethnically cleanse” Black Libyans from towns like Tawergha, which is heavily populated by Black Libyans, having already completed the deed in Misrata, which is Libya’s third largest city.

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http://theredphoenixapl.org/2011/07/11/u-s-helps-rebels-murdering-black-libyans/

For the record here's the WSJ link, though subscription required to continue. It is referenced by numerous sites on Google search.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304887904576395143328336026.html

[tabatha]

1. There is not one iota of evidence in that report.

a) There are dark-skinned people fighting with the rebels.
b) Most of the migrants have left Libya.
c) Captured migrants have been interviewed by press on the ground.
d) If CJ Chivers had encountered any of this, it would be in his reports - guaranteed. He just reported on the rebels looting (although there is one person who says they were "self-looting")
e) Captured pro-Gaddafi soldiers have been treated far far better than captured rebels.
f) The ICC has investigated reports of mistreatment on BOTH sides. There will be some rebels charged. But the vast majority of abuse has occurred by Gaddafi troops.

See this link, where James Wheeler is one of the more credible tweeters
http://twitter.com/#!/wheelertweets

And BTW, Josh does not discount the fact that both sides are not perfect. However, the overwhelming number of atrocities have occurred on the Gaddafi side. But, I don't see you jumping up and down much about that.

[Baclava]

4. I've read earlier eyewitness reports it's happening

LIBYA: Rebels execute black immigrants while forces kidnap others

ADDIS ABABA — While much of the world’s attention is focusing on crude oil prices and the Libyan pipelines in the east of the country– human right groups say rebels are committing crimes against humanity.

In east Libya, African hunt began as towns and cities began fall under the control of Libyan rebels, mobs and gangs. They started to detain, insult, rape and even executing black immigrants, students and refugees.



Mohamed Abdillahi, Somaliland, 25, was sleeping at his home in Zouara, when the mobs arrived. “They knocked on the door around 1 o’clock in the morning. They said get out, we’ll kill you, you are blacks, foreigners, clear.”

The testimonials and are very similar among the thousands of Africans that saw the ugly side of Libya in the past weeks. “They have attacked us, they took everything from us,” said Ali Farah, Somali labourer 29 years. “They wanted to kill civilians, they beat many of us. To me, they are animals,” says Jamal Hussein, 25 years Sudanese worker.

http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-execute-black-immigrants-while-forces-kidnap-others-20586

[blindpig]

6. Seems like most would ignore this

Cognitive dissidence must be painful.

[tabatha]

8. The ICC have investigated both sides.

[EFerrari]

12. Um, you post a story about atrocities below that is sourced to nothing.

I'd be ashamed to disseminated that stuff here.

Chivers is the Judith Miller of the Libyan aggression and there are many migrants trapped in Libya.

[joshcryer]

27. Read the report that they're citing.

You can put the URL into google and read the entire report.

Then you can google "Tawergha" on YouTube and watch the State TV bullshit where the entire town has had pro-Gaddafi demos regularly. Tawergha is besieged by Gaddafi forces and it's more of the same "Green grandstanding" that you find elsewhere. Gaddafi is fomenting a race war; let those people be free and stop conscripting poor black African's who only want a better life for themselves, and see what happens.

[Starry Messenger]

2. recommend.

[dionysus]

3. anything to save comrade ghadaffi...

[blindpig]

5. any lame retort to support Imperialism. n/t

[AverageJoe90]

30. Gaddafi IS an Imperialist.

Sorry, but you don't necessarily need to be spreading your military everywhere to be one; hell, Assad's one, too! So are the mullah bastards who turned Iran inro the hellhole it is now. Can't people see this?

[sabrina 1]

7. Reports of this have around since the very beginning.

Human rights organizations have issued statements early on and even our own media reported attacks on Black Africans many of whom were left behind with no jobs after Western Corps fled the country.

There has always been hatred and resentment against them in Lybia but when the war broke out they had no protection. Not to mention that NATO allowed a boat filled with African refugees sink.

Just what does reporting news have to do with 'saving Qadaffi'? Would you rather the world turn a blind eye to what is happening to these poor people?

[tabatha]

9. NATO did not allow a boat to sink.

They were unaware of the boat.

This last week they rescued a boat of refugees because they were made aware of the boat.

[joshcryer]

24. What do you have to say about Gaddafi's goons over loading those boats at gunpoint?

Oh right, you wouldn't believe those reports despite that they were eyewitness testimony and Gaddafi threatened Europe that he would "open the floodgates" if they didn't pay him blackmail money to keep the immigrants out.

[tabatha]

10. Tales of torture and rape in Libyan prison Abu Salim

This man was tortured in prison in Tripoli for 84 days. Electrocuted in his groin. Gun shafts twisted in his stomach. Burned with cigarettes. Beaten. Ligaments crushed. The list goes on. Too much for Twitter…

Can’t show his face or disclose his name. He still has family at risk in Tripoli. For now, an anonymous story.

He was shot in the foot on Feb 19 in those early protests in Tripoli. The bullet wasn’t removed until yesterday, here at this hospital in Tunis.

He left prison with a friend, who then committed suicide. Hung himself in Ben Gardan. Gaddafi forces had raped his wife, and then she jumped to her death out a window. They burned his house, destroyed his car and shop. Said he had nothing to live for.

When he describes his own torture, his eyes are closed and his voice is quiet. But when he speaks of the prison rapes by Gaddafi thugs, he breaks into tears. Eleven female med students were raped in the prison. And the guards raped any guys who were ‘pretty.’

He witnessed the Gaddafi thugs not only rape these eleven young women, but also cut off their breasts and murder them. This occurred in Tripoli’s notorious Abu Salim prison. He said they were divided into groups; tortured in stages…At one point, electrocution. At another, burning. At another, hanging by their toes. At another, rape…

http://www.sandraoffthestrip.com/2011/07/12/tales-of-torture-and-rape-in-libyan-prison-abu-salim-from-wheelertweets/

[tabatha]

11. ** Please note **

-------- The ICC has investigated both sides.

-------- There will be rebels who will be charged.

-------- The TNC issued rules of conduct wrt to captives, and since then they have been treated FAR FAR FAR FAR better than those captured by Gaddafi.

War is a very bad thing. I cannot wait for the day when humans do not have to blow up things to settle disputes.

If this was ongoing NOW repeat NOW, there would be reports from HRW, ICC, and CJ Chivers.

Gaddafi has done things 1,000,000 times worse. No atrocities are excusable.

The reason I support his intervention is because of Gaddafi's atrocities.

[EFerrari]

13. U.S. Media Imagine Nonexistent Mass Rape in Libya, But are Blind to Mass Murder of Black Africans

A Black Agenda Radio commentary by Glen Ford

U.S. media show no remorse for falsely reporting that Libyan soldiers were using rape as a weapon of war, although Amnesty International has “not found any evidence or a single victim of rape or a doctor who knew about somebody being raped.” Yet these same fraudulent journalists are blind to the murder of hundreds of Black Africans – including Libyans – by rebels. A Black neighborhood of Misrata has been emptied by rebels who vow to wipe a nearby Black town off the face of the earth.



U.S. Media Imagine Nonexistent Mass Rape in Libya, But are Blind to Mass Murder of Black Africans

A Black Agenda Radio commentary by Glen Ford

“The U.S. corporate media do not search for truth, they search for whatever buttresses the American government’s version of the truth.”

Cynthia McKinney says she now harbors “almost a hatred for the special interest press, because they are actively lying to us.” I feel the same way about the U.S. corporate media, whose incessant, daily lies about Libya are killing people and robbing them of their country. The U.S. press trumpeted the entirely unsubstantiated mega-lie, that Libyan soldiers were being fed rations of Viagra and ordered to engage in the mass rape of Libyan women. It was a total invention of the U.S.-backed rebels in Benghazi and, no doubt, their American and European handlers. Now, even Amnesty International, which has never been a friend of Moammar Gaddafi’s government, reports they “have not found any evidence or a single victim of rape or a doctor who knew about somebody being raped.” Nothing. The rebels and their foreign friends made the story up out of whole clothe. Such lies were used to justify continued NATO bombing of Libya as necessary to protect the Libyan people – to protect Libyan women from rape by soldiers.

The massed corporate media have far more resources than Amnesty International, or Human Rights Watch, which also found no evidence of rapes. The New York Times and CNN and the rest could have checked the allegation, and exposed it. Instead, they parroted the damnable lie as if it were fact. Why? Because the lie about mass rape conforms to the foreign policy objectives – the war aims – of the U.S. government. The U.S. corporate media do not search for truth, they search for whatever buttresses the American government’s version of the truth. They are whores, mercenaries and propagandists, posing as journalists. In times of war, that makes them complicit in every war crime committed by the U.S. government. The U.S. media are killers, facilitators of the most horrible crimes.

If they had bothered to check the rape allegations, they would have had to contradict Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who falsely accused Col. Gaddafi of using rape as a weapon of war. The U.S. media would have had to discredit Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the shameless, U.S.-butt-kissing prosecutor for the International Criminal Court. Moreno-Ocampo now admits he doesn’t have any evidence connecting Gaddafi to rapes, but he’s indicted him, anyway, for various and sundry “crimes” that are just as illusory.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/us-media-imagine-nonexistent-mass-rape-libya-are-blind-mass-murder-black-africans

[blindpig]

14. Thanks for that.

:thumbsup:

[sabrina 1]

17. Thank you for that link. Anyone who followed this from the

beginning SHOULD have been concerned about the plight of those people and it is shameful to ignore the early reports of the brutality towards them.

They were not fleeing the country before this 'uprising'. And it was at the very least, confusing, to see reports of on the one hand, Qadaffi supposedly paying them, while on the other 'raping them'. I guess they couldn't get their stories straight or decide which story would serve the interests of the Western powers more. And that confusion should have caused any thinking person to begin questioning what was going on there. Which, btw, it did.

[tabatha]

23. I don't think you know diddly squat about what has been going on in Libya.

Wait for the ICC trials - of BOTH repeat BOTH sides.

[tabatha]

21. Where are the reports of mass murder of Blacks?

There are enough responsible western journalists who would report them.

There are journalists from all over the world watching what the rebels are doing, as as far as I can tell, the only thing the rebels are doing is fighting Gaddafi forces.

Just check this report out - these are Black POWs caught by rebels and are being treated very well:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/07/12/wedeman.libya.prisoners.cnn

I will believe the murders if there are credible reports of them. Apart from what happened, probably as retribution for an ambush, early on I have read or seen nothing - and I read a lot of news reports.

[PurityOfEssence]

15. He's done things "a million times worse". Be serious.

Even with the corporate control of the media, this little adventure is steeped in greed and propelled by deceit. The shrill hyperbole of those who need to be seen as morally superior in their peace-loving demands for war are tired and old at this point. Yes, most of the Black Africans are gone, but that's because they were raped, killed and hounded out by the rebels. Misrata still has its long-standing neighborhood feud, and times like these are always handy to settle old scores.

Once the fragile ego has latched onto a mythic purity of the downtrodden, all reality must be bent to save personal face and harass anyone bringing inconvenient news. It's pathetic.

The Abu Salim riot happened because a bunch of wild-eyed Islamist fundamentalists went on a killing spree against Qaddafi and his uniformed police and troops. They got caught. The took hostages and had their insurrection put down. Prison riots don't tend to end well. Now, the families of these "innocent" jihadists are raging with dudgeon at those who don't bend to their will of theocratic dominance and their vengeance for lost family members. Using the "black fear" of these mythic "mercenaries", they've managed to vent much of their racist anger and also mobilize foreign support.

The rebels are the racists; Qaddafi is hated for his equanimity with his darker skinned brothers. It's an old problem. Qaddafi is also revered by many women for his liberalism--although still far short of equality--and this is another reason the Islamists HATE him.

Qaddafi is a tyrant, but he's done a great deal of good. The frenzied self-aggrandizing love of the rebels is a tiresome spectacle.

[tabatha]

19. "but he's done a great deal of good."

Exactly what has he done that is good. Please, please provide some examples.

I heard this same crap in South Africa.
"Why are the Blacks rioting because they have it better in South Africa than any other country in Africa?"

That is not the point. As in both Libya and the old South Africa
a) There needs to be freedom of speech
b) There needs to be democracy where everyone gets to vote
c) There needs to be accountability for crimes.
d) There needs to be basic human rights.
e) Torture needs to be outlawed.
f) One person should not rule for 42 years.
g) One person should not take the profits from the state and support terrorism in other countries.

The Blacks rioted in South Africa, there was even necklacing, but I never heard of a massacre of 1200 people in just three hours.
It is beyond appalling what some people can justify.

I heard that some of the retribution by the rebels happened because a tribe had offered to join them, and laid an ambush instead, and that rebels were killed.
But I guess retribution is OK only from one side, eh?

[Starry Messenger]

20. +++

[tabatha]

22. What good?

There is nothing good that he has done. NADA.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

16. RedPhoenix/WSJ!

:woohoo:

[blindpig]

18. kick

[tabatha]

25. Here is a report about bad behavior by rebels

Libyan Rebels Accused of Pillage and Beatings in Towns They Captured

"Such rebels actions, however, have paled next to the abuses of Colonel Qaddafi’s forces, which have fired on unarmed demonstrators and used artillery, rocket batteries and mortars against many rebel-held cities and towns.

Phones taken from dead or wounded soldiers have yielded images that strongly suggested that some of Colonel Qaddafi’s units have executed detainees. The colonel’s forces have also ransacked and looted homes and businesses on many fronts throughout the war.

Rebels repeatedly cited the army’s abuses when discussing the ransacking of the recently looted towns.

Some of the results of rebel advances were visible in the past week in three abandoned villages that rebels call liberated. In two of them — Qawalish and Awaniya — shops had been looted. All of the residents were gone.

Hours before Human Rights Watch released its findings, and urged rebel authorities to respect and protect civilians and their property, another grim scene emerged between the villages of Um al-Jersan and Qawalish."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/13/world/africa/13libya.html?_r=1

There ARE western reporters reporting the behavior of BOTH sides, in particular CJ Chivers - of the NYT. He is one of the few reporters I believe.

[joshcryer]

26. Heh, the article they're citing is from western reporters, it's being highly distorted of course.

As is always the case with these reports. I think we can all agree to denounce it when any side in a conflict commits atrocities, right? I would only think that a New Libya would be more likely to pay reparations and try to create unity than a Gaddafi Libya which started this shit to begin with.

[tabatha]

28. Yes, it has happened before.

There were atrocities by both sides in South Africa. Necklacing; revenge against White farmers.

But that does not mean that full democracy should have been stopped; that FW de Klerk should not have stepped down, and Mandela not have been President.

Gaddafi has to step down. Democracy should be installed in Libya. There should be a Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

[AverageJoe90]

29. I'm sorry but I am COMPLETELY skeptical(especially since it came from the 'Wall Street Journal'.).

This kind of thing is what Gaddafi's troops do, not anyone on the Rebel side............unless there may be infiltrators posing as Rebels, which is possible. But I'm sorry, I think they pushed a bullshit story on purpose; the military-industrial complex would LOVE to see Gaddafi stay in power, most likely so they can start a full-blown war.