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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:35 AM
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Yesterday afternoon, I was home alone, resting and recuperating from a busy weekend, as old men must. The phone range twice – each time a call from Good Friends about an emergency meeting being held at 7 pm in the UU Church in Binghamton. Both friends said things to the effect of, “oh, it's an important meeting, but you don't need to come” – which meant I went.

The issue of “hydro-fracking” is serving to unite the Democratic Left in upstate New York. The first person that I spoke with before the meeting started is one of the leading activists within our county's Democratic Party. He is rising to a higher level of leadership in the county group, not because he is a fixture at the annual summer picnic, where a couple representatives from Albany come to give wonderful sermons before passing the collection plate. But because he, as a retired university professor, invests his time organizing at the grass roots' level.

There were other area college and university faculty members at the meeting. And there were a number of folks who were (or had been) employed in mental health or other related fields of social work. Aging hippies and housewives; a construction worker, and several journalists. And a lot of other people that I did not meet or talk to, as most of the evening was spent in “working groups.”

One of the important topics being discussed – and worked on – is “home rule.” That simply means getting people from our circle elected to local office, and then working our way up. The local democratic activist, for example, was the person who approached my son to run for a town board position.

My friend and fellow democratic activist were in the minority at last night's meeting. While there were other members of the Democratic Party there, more people were independents, Greens, socialists, etc. As I've noted previously, in order for my son to stand a chance in his upcoming election, he has to run on three slates – not just as a Democrat. For in upstate New York, there are many people who view all things political in an entirely “democrat vs republican” context, making it difficult for them to ever pull that lever for a democratic candidate. But they can, in their own minds, justify a random third-party vote, every now and then.

Hence, for my son to win – and it will be very difficult – he'll need not just the local Democrats to get out and vote for him. He'll need the support of all of the Democratic Left. And he will need a segment of the local republican voters who know, trust, and respect him as an individual.

That is an important way to deal with hydro-fracking today, and whatever issues come up tomorrow. For we live in a state where Governor Cuomo – definitely an establishment Democrat – is on the fence, at very best, about protecting the environment.

I will be continuing to post a series of essays on these topics. Despite the fact that there is very little response to my series on hydro-fracking and grass roots activism, I do think they are important. My goal is to help lay out a road map of sorts, of how members of the Democratic Party who inhabit the Democratic Left can work at the grass roots level. I note that at times, various members on this forum talk about “who reads the Democratic Underground.” I know that various journalists and staff members of elected officials do, from time to time. If they just read about people investing time and energy debating and arguing on the internet, that's one thing. If they read about people organizing and being active on the grass roots level, that's quite another thing. Make sense?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:37 AM
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1. Makes perfect sense
:thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:38 AM
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2. Thank you!
I appreciate that.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:39 AM
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3. Absolutely - you make sense!
Will your son run? My parents are in Scottsville - they are very tuned into the 'fracking' situation. My dad is terminally ill right now - but I'd bet he and my mom will give to his campaign. . . .and my mom would most likely volunteer. Please keep us updated!

And honestly? If Ed Potosnak was not already running? I'd run in NJ's 7th district.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:45 AM
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4. Yes.
My son is running for office.

Last week, the republican Town Supervisor -- who is as decent a republican as is humanly possible -- stopped me on the street and asked me to relay a message to my son: any time my son wants, they can get together to review the local issues they'll be working on if he wins.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:48 AM
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5. k&r...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:41 PM
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18. Thanks!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:04 AM
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6. Thank you for posting. Grass roots is the path to victory. Fracking is a critical issue....
....and a good one to build a grass-roots movement.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:23 PM
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19. The issue of fracking
provides us with something that we can use the most powerful symbolic communication with: I've often talked on this forum about setting a sparkling clean glass of water next to a filthy one, and trusting the thirsty public to make the correct choice. Now that, of course, was Minister Malcolm X's symbolism. But it fits perfectly today.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:06 AM
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7. K&R n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:33 PM
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21. Thank you.
I always appreciate your support when I post something here. It means a lot to me that at least a few folks take the time to read my OP/essays.

I've been working very hard on this issue. I had a medical appointment this morning, and the doctor noted that my old bones are worn out more than they unusually are. I explained the pace I am attempting to keep. He said, "Slow down." I told him that my younger son told me to fit in as much as possible, because I look like I'll be dead any day now anyhow. Make use of the time. The doctor laughed, and said, "Yeah, but he's young. He doesn't understand that there's nothing you can do. The politicians dance for industry. It would take a miracle to change that."

So I quoted Friend Rubin: "Miracles DO happen, even today. But they take a dog-gone lot of work."
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:58 PM
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31. I always appreciate your essays because they come from a place of
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 08:58 PM by myrna minx
respect, wisdom and authenticity. Thank you for your work in your community - your ripples inspire others like me - but take care of those "old man" bones too. We need you on terra firma for years to come. :hi:
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:27 AM
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8. Hydro-fracking appears to be safe.
I hope we continue on a small scale to try to generate energy from that method. And I hope eventually we will get a significant amount of energy from that process, which shows such promise.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:50 AM
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9. ROFLMAO!
:rofl:

Appears? Well maybe I'll give you that, except, I can't. From fluid dumping, er, spills to gas seepage into the water table, Fracking is not safe.

:rofl: Safe :rofl:

-Hoot
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:53 AM
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11. Please take the time to research the effects of this horrible method.
Water wars will replace oil wars in the near future. Is contamination of safe drinking water really worth the energy received from fracking?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:35 AM
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15. "Knowing ignorance
is strength; ignoring knowledge is sickness." -- Lao Tse

Hydro-fracking is not anywhere near "safe." There is more than enough information available to any sincere person to know that.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:22 PM
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34. Key word is "sincere".
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:59 PM
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32. The mighty
rob-neocon strikes again LMAO :rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:23 PM
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35. Bob Boudelang was less obvious.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:26 PM
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36. LOL and to think
that this one's lasted soooo much longer.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:10 AM
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59. I miss old Bob
I wonder when he gets out.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:47 PM
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42. This is subtle satire, right?
I sure hope so...
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:06 AM
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44. I'm afraid not. Do a search you'll be horrified. ;-) nt
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:50 AM
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10. A capital idea!
Someday I hope to have a network.

-Hoot
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:59 PM
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22. Share mine.
I found last night to be interesting. One part was a bit funny: after the meeting ended -- late, as always -- the head of the group approached me and introduced himself. I responded in kind. He was quiet for a moment, then asked if I was "related to (my proper name)." Well, yes, I said, that's me. He was as pleased to meet me, as I was to meet him.

Small world.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:55 AM
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12. No drill, no spill!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:36 PM
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24. Write on!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:09 AM
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13. ^
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:40 PM
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29. Thanks
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:27 PM
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40. .
;)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:56 AM
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14. Of course it makes sense. Great sense
We need to weave the fabric of resistance, and the threads are always the people around us. And yes, hydrofracking is an extremely important issue that many of us in upstate NY feel increasingly strongly about.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:37 AM
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16. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:47 AM
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17. Home rule I am finding is a fundamental approach that can work.
My home state, however, has just been taken over by the Republicans for the first time since reconstruction and they are redrawing lines that will give them an advantage with a possiblity of minority party rule. But everything must still be broken down to its most basic unit or piece to be won, even when they corrupt the process, and thus must be the strategy going forward.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:25 PM
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20. k&r n/t
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:04 PM
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23. I applaud your effort and ideas
for they are sound. I ran for state assembly last year and I can say it was a huge educational experience. I quickly learned the true meaning of 'All politics is local'. I would be wary of the invitation from the other side. Sounds like a fishing expedition to me. Good Luck to your son. From me - "Enjoy yourself". You are participating in Democracy at its highest level. Howard Dean said - If all you do is vote, you get a 'D'; if you run for office, you get an 'A'.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:59 PM
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25. Bravo Mr. H2O Man!!
I live in Texas and the fricking fracking is terrible. There are three wells very close to where I live. Sometimes you can smell the gas. The wells are very ugly even though they try to put up these "nice" fences (some permanent) to try to make them more attractive. They take one down and set another up for a while then switch back to the other one. Fortunately we don't have well water but I wonder what water they are using. They keep saying it's safe but I have heard of a terrible explosion at a well a couple of years ago.

No. Hydrofracking is NOT safe one dayum bit! Keep on pushing Mr. H2O Man!!!
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:04 PM
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26. As you know, in NY your son can
look for endorsement from different parties like the Working Family Party, the Independent Party. Greens tend to run their own but if Howie Hawkins is eyeing a different office, they may be interested depending on his stand on issues. Of course if he is pro-frack Ban they will likely be interested. Are you in Ithaca?

Your posts are always interesting.

Upstate NY has many conservative types but I have found (at least pre-tea party) that many of our local Republican reps are not boogeymen. They are not perfect for example Sen. John DeFrancisco votes against gay marriage but does help his constituents with bread and butter problems like issues with unemployment and answers letters--but then again, it is hard to find a candidate that is simpatico to everything for a left of center politically oriented person. I think they are more moderate than found elsewhere in the country. My husband's union hall has a member who ran and won a seat on the county legislature running as republican--Jim Corbett. Our county exec Joanie Mahoney is Republican who works really well with our city mayor Stephanie Miner who is a Democrat.

Here's a list from Wiki for convenience:
Parties with a * indicate automatic ballot access between the 2011 and 2014 elections.
Communist Party
Conservative Party*
Constitution Party
Democratic Party*
Freedom Party (1994-1998, 2010-present, two ideologically opposite entities)
Green Party*
Independence Party*
Liberal Party
Libertarian Party
Marijuana Reform Party (1998-2002)
Natural Law Party (1992-2004)
New Party (1992-1998)
Reform_Party_of_New_York_State (Reorganized 2010)
New York State Right to Life Party
Republican Party*
Rent Is Too Damn High Party
Save Jobs Party (2004-2006)
Socialist Party
Taxpayers/Federalist Party (2010-2011)
Working Families Party*
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:07 PM
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27. a Kick for Solutions!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:16 PM
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28. Best of luck to your son. K&R
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:54 PM
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30. K&R'd!
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:14 PM
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33. K&R
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:41 PM
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37. K&R
Nothing to add but if I had my way, the top 10 of the greatest page would all be H2O Man posts. :)
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:56 PM
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38. Yes. Makes sense.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:02 PM
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39. H2O Man, your posts are so important
and your essays are a must read. So glad you continue to post here at DU. I took a break, but am glad to see you are still here. As to your current topic, there is so much to do at the local level - so much for all of us to do! :)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:45 PM
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41. How do our centrist DU friends feel about this issue? nm
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:53 PM
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52. Once they find out Obama's pushing it, they'll be 1000 per cent pro-fracking
I sincerely hope fracking comes to their communities.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 07:47 PM
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57. I find they are never pro anything. They just take pot shots at those that try to hold
the President's feet to the fire. Ask them what they stand for and they will ignore you every time. There sole purpose is to attack anyone that questions Obama.
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Cereal Kyller Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:01 AM
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43. The Democrat Left
And never came back, sadly.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:53 AM
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45. have any fence-sitter watch Gasland and then conclude that fracking is a good thing
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:43 AM
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46. Netflix has "Gasland" - it is essential viewing (NT)
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 07:21 AM
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47. When I was a kid most of the people I knew had a water well.
I remember how cool and sweetly tasteless that water we drew up from the Earth was. We always had a water bucket and a dipper out by the well and we could drink all of that sweet water we wanted anytime we wanted. Now I don't know of a single water well in this area that is fit to drink from. In my lifetime one of the best memories of my childhood is something my grandchildren will never know. Between the gas wells and the strip mining our once good, sweet, cool, water, is but a fond childhood memory.

When Haliburton moved in the water quality started to degenerate and the degeneration increased with the fracking and blasting. In 45 years since Halliburton came into the picture here, I can't think of a single family that has a water well that they can drink the water out of and not get sick, if that water is untreated.

The only treatment our well water needed year around was to place the cover back on the well house after we drew our water. No boiling, no chlorine, no salt treatment, just dip a quench. Every day the old idea of handing a better world off to the younger generations, becomes a more impossible dream, IMHO.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:51 PM
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48. Sorry I killed your thread.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:37 PM
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49. This needs kicked.
:kick:

Fascinating stuff, please keep posting these slice-of-life snippets. :hi:
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:46 PM
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50. Obama Administration Stacks Fracking Panel w/ Big Oil & Gas Insiders
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 04:50 PM by Divernan
http://www.ewg.org/release/administration-stacks-panel-big-oil-and-gas

* CONTACT: EWG Public Affairs, 202-667-6982; leeann@ewg.org
* FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: May 10, 2011

The Obama administration panel named May 5 to study hydraulic fracturing, a natural gas drilling technique that injects thousands of gallons of chemical-laced water into the ground, is dominated by oil and gas industry professionals.

Notably, the panel does not include citizens from communities concerned about the damage to health, water and private property posed by the surge in natural gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing.

“An industry insider like John Deutch is completely unacceptable to lead this panel,” Environmental Working Group Senior Counsel Dusty Horwitt said. “It looks as if the Obama Administration has already reached the conclusion that fracking is safe.”

Fracking involves injecting a mix of water, sand and chemicals into a well under high pressure in order to fracture underground rock formations and unlock trapped gas and oil. The technology has been linked to water contamination, air pollution, release of methane and deteriorating health in communities near drilling sites.

A study by Duke University researchers, made public yesterday, found high concentrations of methane in 68 wells near shale-gas drilling and hydrofracking sites in northeastern Pennsylvania and New York, confirming property owners’ suspicions that gas extraction was leaking methane into their drinking water.

The new panel’s seven members include:

* Panel chair John Deutch, a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, now on the board of Cheniere Energy, Inc., a Houston-based liquified natural gas company that, according to Forbes Magazine online, paid Deutch about $882,000 from 2006 through 2009. During a stint on the board of Schlumberger Ltd., one of the world’s three largest hydraulic fracturing companies, Deutch received about $563,000 in 2006 and 2007, according to Forbes.
* Stephen Holditch, head of the petroleum engineering department at Texas A&M University and a leader in the field of hydraulic fracturing designs, first at Shell Oil, later as head of his own firm, acquired by Schlumberger in 1997. Today, he is engineering committee chairman at Matador Resources, a Dallas oil and gas exploration company.
* Mark Zoback, a geophysics professor at Stanford and senior advisor to Baker Hughes, Inc., a Houston-based oilfield services company engaged in hydraulic fracturing. Zoback is chair of GeoMechanics International, a consulting firm that advises on various oil and gas drilling problems and that was acquired by Baker Hughes in 2008.
* Kathleen McGinty, chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality during the Clinton administration and a former secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection, now senior vice president of Weston Solutions, Inc., which consults for the oil and gas industry, including leading natural gas driller Chesapeake Energy, and a director of NRG Energy, a Princeton, N.J., wholesale power generation company whose assets include more than two dozen natural gas power companies.
* Susan Tierney, assistant secretary of the Energy department under President Clinton, now managing principal of Analysis Group, which consults for utilities that use natural gas and for the Interstate Natural Gas Association of America, the natural gas pipeline industry association.
* Daniel Yergin, Pulitzer-Prize winning author of The Prize, a 1991 book about the oil industry, and co-founder, chairman and executive vice president of IHS CERA, originally called Cambridge Energy Research Associates, acquired in 2004 by IHS, an international consulting firm whose clients include the oil, natural gas, coal, power and clean energy communities.

The panel’s environmental representative is Fred Krupp, president of Environmental Defense Fund, a New York-based nonprofit that focuses on environmental issues. Scott Anderson, EDF’s senior policy advisor for energy and spokesman on hydraulic fracturing is a member of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, which OPPOSES EXTENDING THE FEDERAL SAFE WATER DRINKING ACT TO HYDRAULIC FRACTURING. The commission website asserts that FRACKING "NEEDS NO FURTHER STUDY" Anderson is a former executive vice president and general counsel for the Texas Independent Producers and Royalty Owners Association.

Will panel undermine EPA study?

The new panel, named by Energy secretary Steven Chu, is part of the President Obama's recently announced energy plan that aims to reduce dependence on foreign oil. The energy industry contends that hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking” is critical to expanding the nation’s natural gas supplies by tapping gas trapped in shale formations.

The energy panel will focus, Chu said, on “harnessing a vital domestic energy resource while ensuring the safety of our drinking water and the health of the environment.” That mandate appears to duplicate an initiative of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which announced in March 2010 that it would undertake a two-year study on the human health and environmental dangers of hydraulic fracturing’s impact on groundwater, to publish initial findings by the end of next year.

The energy panel is working on a faster track, with recommendations due within six months.

“The new administration panel appears to be an effort to undercut the EPA’s study by assigning an elitist group of industry insiders to take a cursory look at fracking,” Horwitt said. “The EPA is trying to conduct a comprehensive study and to listen to the people directly affected by drilling. It’s hard to see how the Energy department-driven panel can have any credibility.”

EWG urges the administration to replace John Deutch as chairman of the panel with a neutral expert without direct financial ties to the industry being investigated. EWG also calls on the administration to balance the panel with citizens who have been affected by hydraulic fracturing and with other independent experts.

###

EWG is a nonprofit research organization based in Washington, DC that uses the power of information to protect human health and the environment. http://www.ewg.org
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:12 PM
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54. Very important.
Thanks.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:38 PM
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56. Exactly what GOP Gov. Corbett did in PA - a panel stacked withCorp. Insiders
Not a single Public Health physician and the only academic is a prof. from Penn State whose research has been funded by Big Oil & Gas.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:48 PM
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51. Yes, please keep posting, H2O Man. And thank you! eom
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:56 PM
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53. Best post I've read all day!
A breath of fresh air around here! Thanks H2O Man!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:57 PM
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55. "old man"
Yeah, right. Tell that to the guy who lost to you in the election.

:rofl:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 07:47 PM
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58. That gentleman
has been a bit less than friendly to me since election day. More, he has thus far refused to return property to the school district.

And these old bones are very very tired, Young Lady! I've had problems navigating on my worn legs. Had to use a cane in public the other evening, something I hesitate to do, and dislike enormously.
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