TOON: Sunday's Doonesbury - Teach "Both Sides"

[Hissyspit]

[WillyT]

1. LOL !!! - K & R !!!

:D

:kick:

[krispos42]

2. We should tattoo that on Sarah Palin's forehead.

Backwards, so she can read it in a mirror.

[Bozita]

3. Fantastic! ... Recommended viewing for fundies everywhere

[perdita9]

58. They should include this in Biology Textbooks

I can't tell you how many students I've had ready to dismiss the theory of evolution before they've even heard it.

[TlalocW]

4. I thought this was settled long ago

Boys: Snips and snails and puppy dog tails
Girls: Sugar and spice and everything nice

C'mon, learn your science, people!

TlalocW

[polmaven]

14. I thought that was

an eternal truth learned by every child on the playground. What in the world could Trudeau possibly be thinking??? :shrug:

[7wo7rees]

5. Classic.

[Kali]

51. want!

:rofl:

[The Wielding Truth]

68. This is perfect. Creationism is a religious belief not a fact.

[hifiguy]

70. Blammo - Bull's eye!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[awoke_in_2003]

72. I need that on a t-shirt...

of course, they would probably drag me to the town square and stone me.

[Mojorabbit]

6. Oh, Well done! nt

[aquart]

7. WONDERFUL! Thank you!

[saras]

8. Teacher? Why did Noah keep the Ebola virus, and what did he keep it in?

[Hissyspit]

9. kick nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Marvelous!

ole G.B. has not lost his edge
and the morans just keep giving him material.
years and years and years of material......sigh.

[Delphinus]

11. This is great!

Thanks for sharing.

[xchrom]

12. awesome. nt

[mwb970]

13. This really lays it right out there, doesn't it?

Religious nuts believe foolish, idiotic things. Period.

[Hissyspit]

15. Unrec'ing Doonesbury.

LOL


"Sky --->"

"Water --->"

[underpants]

16. Please stop. I'd like to get into a good college.

:rofl:

[Cyrano]

17. Gary Trudeau makes the insanity of the world a little more bearable.

[gratuitous]

18. DAMMIT! We are NOT "descended from apes"

Please state it correctly: The same evolutionary line that produced apes produced humans. To say that humans are "descended from apes" is a misstatement akin to saying that you are "descended" from your fifth cousin. You and your fifth cousine share a common ancestor, but you are not descended from your fifth cousin.

Sorry; the phrase is like nails on a chalkboard.

[frogmarch]

19. We are descended from apes.

New Scientist article http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9990-introduction-human-evolution.html

Human Evolution

snip:

The incredible story of our evolution from ape ancestors spans 6 million years or more, and features the acquirement of traits from bipedal walking, large brains, hairlessness, tool-making, hunting and harnessing fire, to the more recent development of language, art, culture and civilisation.

snip:

Humans are really just a peculiar African ape - we share about 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees, our closest living relatives. Genetics and fossil evidence hint that we last shared a common ancestor 7 to 10 million years ago - even if we continued hybridising long after.

At around 6 million years ago, the first apes to walk on two legs appear in the fossil records. Despite the fact that many of these Australopithecines and other early humans were no bigger than chimps and had similar-sized brains, the shift to bipedalism was highly significant. Aside from our large brain, bipedalism is perhaps the most important difference between humans and apes, as it freed our hands to use tools.

~~

According to scientists, the common ancestors that humans share with modern-day apes were apes.

[gratuitous]

20. But not what we know presently as "apes"

The common ancestor is not what we know today as "apes." Sloppy locution leads to misunderstanding. Misunderstanding is amplified to make it seem that evolutionary scientists are talking as though today's silverbacks, orangs, troglodytes and other present day species are the "ancestor" of homo sapiens. Armed with this misunderstanding, today's know-nothings drive their creationist truck into the conversation, as if they had "scientific" proof of their nonsense.

[immoderate]

22. Most arguments are about what words mean.

It's especially fun to do when a word has several common usages.

Biologically, we are apes and descend from apes. Socially, it's a matter of etiquette. :)

(Also The Naked Ape is a book from the 60s by zoologist Desmond Morris. It's about humans and a memorable read.)


--imm

[AtheistCrusader]

34. Nobody said 'apes' of today. We are members of the great ape family.

With Bonobos, Chimps, Orangutans, and 'apes'.
It is not misleading, nor strange to refer to humans as 'apes'. We ARE. Our shared common ancestor is classified as an 'ape' as well.


We do not modify or avoid the truth to cater to idiots. Teach them the truth.

[truth2power]

29. Humans and apes have a common ancestor. We're not DESCENDED from...

I like to say we're descended from squirrels. As a joke! AS A JOKE! Don't everyone pile on, please. :evilgrin:

But my understanding is that humans and apes are both descended from a pro-simian common ancestor, something akin to a tree shrew. (Thus, the joking "squirrel" reference.)

Those who have a professional biology background can tweak this for me. I don't have time to look it up right now.

[BiggJawn]

35. Tree Shrew?

Sounds like my second mother in law.

[Auggie]

47. +1

[Enthusiast]

25. For all intents and purposes

that common ancestor would be classified as an ape by any measure.

[truth2power]

30. Tree shrew, I do believe. Please see above.

ETA: Here. All I have time for right now...

http://www.wwnorton.com/college/anthro/evolve4/ch/10/welcome.shtml

How Humans Evolved

The proliferation of mammalian forms from the end of the Cretaceous period, around 65 million years ago (mya) coincided with the extinction of many of the other life forms that roamed the earth at the time (including dinosaurs). This depopulation of the planet likely opened up many new ecological niches, resulting in the rapid increase in mammalian species following the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary. Primates—or, more accurately, their tree shrew–like progenitors—were one of these opportunistic, niche-filling mammals (Fig. 10-1).

[JAbuchan08]

31. Arguing whether we descended from apes or shrew-like creatures

is like arguing whether we descended from cro-magnon man or amphibians, we descended from both they are simply different points on the time-line of human evolutionary history. At some point proto-humans would have been classified as apes.

[truth2power]

65. I didn't say "descended from". I said "last common ancestor". There's a difference....

We're all descended from some single-celled organism. Doesn't mean common ancestor of two species.

[Enthusiast]

39. You are missing the entire point.

Our common ancestor with today's "apes" was most certainly an ape. Or, if examined today we would conclude that this animal, this common ancestor, would most accurately be classified as an ape. I'm not speaking of tens of millions of years earlier, before the first true primates.

I found this interesting. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/04/020418073440.htm

[truth2power]

67. I was googling last night, and there was page after page after page

of references to "last common ancestor" of apes and humans, between 8 and 6 million years ago.

I'm sorry to say that my eyes glazed over with the 14 letter long Latin terms, some only differing by one or two letters. I think part of our argument is about how human or ape is defined, and that some creatures had "ape-like" or human-like" characteristics.

Just to be clear...This is not a religious argument for me. I don't really care if we're descended from apes or not. It's fine with me either way. I'm not a Fundie, nor am I religious in the commonly accepted sense of the word. It's just that I was trying to be accurate according to what I've read.

[Kali]

52. it was the KIDS discussing it, not the instructor

that is the EXACT way people talk about the subject

[lumberjack_jeff]

63. Humans aren't descended from apes. We are apes. n/t

[backscatter712]

66. We might have an easier time persuading people to accept evolution if we had different ancestors.

Not that apes aren't cool, but people get this hangup about being biologically classified as apes - they don't want to believe they have so much in common with a goofy-looking chimp.

Much easier if we were like dogs and descended from wolves. BADASS!!!

[Enthusiast]

71. There is no question that dogs are a more noble species

than humans. Other than their fixation on butt smelling, of course. I'm just sayin'.:hide:

[Enthusiast]

69. Damned filthy apes!

:fistbump: :rofl:

[Gidney N Cloyd]

21. Anyone hear of any papers refusing to run this one?

[Aviation Pro]

38. Denver Post....

...fucking cowards.

[Auggie]

45. Wow... bigger metro area than I would expect

[Kali]

54. series???

OMG

I would expect that around here - didn't get a paper today so I don't know if it did or not.

[Aviation Pro]

73. Seriously....

...I knew something was up when Doonesbury was not to be found yesterday.

[Enthusiast]

23. K&R!

Excellent toon, Doonesbury!

[Plucketeer]

24. Purrfection! nt

[Soylent Brice]

26. love it.

[Chimichurri]

27. Perfect

[teewrex]

28. How can I be descended from apes...

I don't speak monkey! (Actual comment made by a thumper)

[JAbuchan08]

32. He's just being modest

If you put a monkey in a room with a teabagger seperated by sound-proof glass I have no doubt they would understand each other perfectly only through gesture.

[MisterP]

55. goatse is a language?

[OswegoAtheist]

57. That's true...

...as long as the monkey has the patience to wait for the Teabagger to learn said gestures.

Oswego "and then the monkey can try to explain the numerous faults with Ayn Rand's theories and writings" Atheist

[RainDog]

33. HA! n/t

[mymomwasright]

36. If one believes in the devine creation....

Then they should forgo the black magic that is medicene. Depending on "God" should be all one needs, vice going to a doctor who plays god by curing someone who should naturally suffer or die based on the creation belief. As for me, I'll keep going to the smart guy related to primates.

[usrname]

37. Actually, I think that is exactly

the proposed Republican health care plan: rely on god and, uh, good luck!

[toddwv]

40. He left out the part that says that God has boobs...

just saying...

[Lucky Luciano]

41. Haha! Believeing in creationism should be grounds to terminate someone's right to vote. nt

[Beartracks]

42. And for the record, Creationists...

... (and I refer to the "fossil record, of course), humans are NOT "descended from apes." If you actually understood evolution, you would realize that we simply share a common ancestor with apes. If it helps, think of this way: millions of years ago, this common ancestor split into two distinct species, where one of them continued to evolve and became what we call apes today, and the other continued to evolve and -- through Divine Providence* -- evolved into humans.

* Or a big black monolith, like in 2001. :)

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[liberation]

48. Monolith

of course...

[calimary]

43. FANTASTIC!!!

Both sides! Both sides! Anytime we do a report about NASA we simply MUST include a representative of the Flat Earth Society! Both sides! Both side!


:puke:

[kestrel91316]

44. Best. Doonesbury. EVER!!!

[Drale]

46. This totally reminds me of a robot chicken skit.

http://www.vidilife.com/video_play_1124011_Robot_Chicken_Noah_s_Ark.htm

[russspeakeasy]

49. Thanks, I needed that.

[garthranzz]

50. I'm from Louisiana, I believe in Creation

and I recommend this cartoon! It's not only laugh out loud funny, it's true.

Both science - yes, I do mean evolution - and Genesis (literally) can be true. This is not the place for a theological discourse. Suffice it to say, that as a religious Jew, I believe that science should be taught in the science classroom. ONLY SCIENCE. "Creationism" is a sham and an insult to those of us who study theology as well as biology, astronomy, etc.

[Rozlee]

53. As an atheist, I think you're wonderful.

I hate being proselytized by the radical Christian Taliban that keeps insinuating itself into our textbooks, our bodies and our government. If people of faith were all like you, that lived by their beliefs and didn't try to force them on others, the world wouldn't have had all the wars and misery that it's gone though over the last few thousand years.

[proReality]

56. Priceless! n/t

[jonthebru]

59. Dog gone it,

God forgot the dinosaurs! That would be really fun, wouldn't it?

[bertman]

60. OMFG!!! Thank you for posting that, Hissyspit. REC. nt

[valerief]

61. Big round of applause for that one!

:rofl:

[gateley]

62. Oh, God -- Hysterical! nt

[AllyCat]

64. Oh God, just spewed wine out my nose!

This is goin' on FB.