Dan Choi calls GOP'ers 'true American Heros'

[Tx4obama]

ltdanchoi:
Thank you for your Fierce Advocacy, @LogCabinGOP. You are true American heroes. "Pentagon suspends #DADT" http://t.co/5N6tmUe

http://twitter.com/ltdanchoi/status/89493942520918016

[Ian David]

1. Seriously? n/t

[EFerrari]

2. This vendetta against Dan Choi is ugly. Unrec.

[CakeGrrl]

4. Reposting a public tweet is a "vendetta"? The bar has been dropped to the ground, yes?

[EFerrari]

8. Try to pay attention. And, it's great when Obama praises Republicans

but evil when Dan does?

No hypocrisy there at all.

[Blue-Jay]

10. I assume the reverse is true as well.

[EFerrari]

14. No, because the partisan bs is beside the point.

What matters is that Dan Choi was on the right side of an issue. He didn't praise Republicans for working against us.

[Blue-Jay]

35. Indeed he was on the correct side.

Aside from that, I'll just add I have nothing good to say about the Log Cabin Republicans. They've always mystified me.

[EFerrari]

39. Me, too. But in this one instance, they did a good thing

and imo there is nothing wrong with giving credit where it is due.

/typo

[Blue-Jay]

46. You're correct. Credit where it's due.

To all those who are due credit for repealing DADT.

[Tx4obama]

50. Including Congress and President Obama. n/t

[Tx4obama]

13. Reread the OP. There is nothing there calling anyone evil.

The only thing there is FACTUAL.

[EFerrari]

15. There is nothing wrong with my reading, thanks.

[CakeGrrl]

17. Pay attention to what? Where is the vendetta? He puts his words in public,

they're open to the public.

[EFerrari]

20. They sure are and so are the OPs posts demonizing Dan Choi.

Well, surprise, surprise, the Log Cabin Republicans did the right thing and Dan, as usual, is right on the money. Credit where it is due.

[FLAprogressive]

24. +1

[SidDithers]

34. Conversely, it's awful when Obama is gracious to Republicans...

but it's just hunky-dorey when Choi does it. :shrug:

Sid

[EFerrari]

40. Yes, it is awful when Obama is "gracious" to Republicans

as they try to screw us but not awful when Dan Choi praises the LCR for doing the right thing on DADT.

Not the same.

[demmiblue]

6. It sure is... adding my unrec.

[FreeState]

41. +10000

Its verging on gay baiting IMO

[EFerrari]

Yes, it is and not for the first time. n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

55. Hard not to notice, actually.

Dan is a hero, and the Log Cabin GOPers did the right thing (for once) and deserve for it.

[demmiblue]

52. I share that opinion. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

58. Yep.

[Puglover]

120. Ya think?

It's obvious.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

3. Log Cabin GOPers.

But nice try.

[Tx4obama]

9. Log Cabin GOPers ARE GOPers. n/t

[EFerrari]

12. Yes, and to our shame, they fought Obama on DADT and on the right side, at that.

[Tx4obama]

18. The LogCabinGOP fought Congress and Obama in their efforts to make the repeal pemanent

when Congress and Obama were getting the Repeal of DADT passed as a law.

Congress and President Obama were and are on the correct side.

I guess there are still folks out there that don't understand the difference between a court ruling and a law passed by Congress and signed by the President of the United States.

[EFerrari]

25. The LCR acted as a spur and Obama would be a much better executive

if he had more of them.

[FreeState]

45. The log cabin court case started when Bush was president n/t

[Unvanguard]

59. What on Earth are you talking about?

The Log Cabin Republicans lobbied Republicans on DADT, and whether or not their efforts made a difference, in the end several senators supported repeal.

The Republicans are currently in the process of quite literally destroying this country's economy, so I am not favorably disposed toward them or their supporters at the moment, but they really should be attacked for their actual faults, not for their invented ones.

[Tx4obama]

81. Part of what I'm talking about is ...

the LCRs pushing for the lifting of the 'stay' instead of waiting for the extra week or two when Obama was going to sign the certification.

The LCRs also were fighting against Obama previously when the court first ordered the 'stay' at the time that Congress and Obama were repealing DADT via legislation - that was back then when the court initially ordered the 'stay'.

I will not apologize for being on the side of folks that supported the Repeal of DADT via legislation in the Congress which would be permanent as opposed to a Court order which could be overturned.

[Unvanguard]

82. Fighting against the Obama Administration's legal position is not the same as fighting repeal.

Quite possibly the Obama Administration could not have abandoned that position without jeopardizing its relationship with the military, and hence the repeal process. But that has to do with how we evaluate the Obama Administration. It has nothing to do with how we evaluate LCR's actions on this issue.

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[Tx4obama]

85. The text in your comment title is incorrect.

The Log Cabin Republicans filed a motion to lift the stay.

So, yes the LCR did have control on the timing of the lifting of the stay, if the LCR had not filed the motion to lift the stay everything would have gone as planned - President Obama would have signed the certification in one to two weeks.

p.s. And I do believe you are incorrect about the Court also. The Congress' Repeal of DADT legislation is a much stronger than that of a the 9th Circuit Court's order. And besides the fact that the Court declared DADT unconstitutional was not at issue here, only the 'stay' was.

Edited to add:
If you think that there wasn't republican political strategy behind the LCR filing a motion to lift the stay only a couple of weeks before the date President Obama said that the certification would be signed, then I have a bridge I'll sell ya.

[ruggerson]

86. No the text is accurate

They filed to lift the stay, but the 9th circuit panel decided when to lift it. The LCR doesn't control the judiciary, nor do they control when an appeal panel decides to act on a motion. Nor do they control how the judiciary will rule.

Additionally, the military and Obama, during the negotiating process on the repeal bill, stripped out the anti discrimination language, so there is currently nothing preventing a future Repub President from issuing an EO reinstating the ban. (Though that prosopect grows more unlikely as time goes by.) The military and Obama also did not want the bill to go to the floor when it did - Gates had specifically asked that the bill be delayed until 2011 and Obama concurred. It was, strangely enough, Joe Lieberman who pushed for the bill to come to the floor in December (with a lot of strategizing with SLDN and other LGBT advocacy groups)and Harry Reid who engineered the ultimately successful timing of the repeal vote.

Obama was very successful in bringing the military aboard and his behind the scenes strategy, negotiating the mechanics of a repeal, and getting the brass comfortable with the structure and timeframe of lifting the ban. Obviously the ban would not have been lifted without his support and signature.

Dan Choi and other activists played a huge role in keeping the issue on the front pages of newspapers around the country.

The LCR suit had been filed during Bush's tenure. Ultimately, it is this ruling that legally put an end to DADT and has provided some needed precedent and language to help fight any future reinstatement of the ban.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. I remember when bipartisanship was a good thing

Sad that it's just a war now and we are automatically turned off by anyone on the other side of the aisle.

[CakeGrrl]

7. It's apparently situational.

Anytime the President says it, it's bad and evil and weak.

But kudos to the GOP by someone considered in some corners to be a hero to the correct cause? No problem.

[EFerrari]

16. Yes, it is situational. When you situate yourself on the side

of progressive values, that's a good thing.

When you don't, that's not a good thing. Got it?

[CakeGrrl]

19. And when someone loses all sense of perspective and reason

and ignore ANY measure of progress in favor of bomb-throwing for attention, and oh-so-cutting-edge ripping up of OFA flyers and the like, it may be pointed out.

Got it?

[EFerrari]

27. LOL. Out comes the personal attack because there isn't anything else.

Predictable.

[CakeGrrl]

37. What personal attack? I'm not talking about you. Swing and miss.

If you want to put your stock in someone who chooses to turn a blind eye to progress being made, enjoy!

[EFerrari]

42. Your personal attack on Dan Choi. You know he is a person, right?

[girl gone mad]

33. All the obnoxious bullying must be rotting your brain.

[CakeGrrl]

38. Another miss. See above.

All this sustained anger must be tiring. Everything is a fight to you, isn't it?

[tekisui]

60. That inevitably happens to bullies. They hurt themselves in the end.

[tekisui]

57. Absofuckinglutely it is situational.

It depends on the issue, the policy and which side is acquiescing to whom.

[girl gone mad]

21. Bipartisanship is only good when Obama is doing it to screw the middle class..

[LooseWilly]

11. Well, maybe if 'others' were 'Fierce Advocates' too, they'd also be called 'true American Heroes'?..

Sounds like somebody wants an unearned tweet of approval... :nopity:

[FLAprogressive]

22. What an incredibly (but unsurprisingly) dishonest thread title. Unrec

[dsc]

23. On this issue they were heros

No other gay rights group came forward with a court case like the Log Cabin Republicans did. Honestly most thought it was a lost cause when they didn't.

[JonLP24]

26. Log Cabin GOP

They are the ones that brought the suit and deserve credit for it. I have no issues supporting choices that are right no matter who makes them.

[riderinthestorm]

28. I have no problem recognizing when the other side does the right thing

and comes down on the right side of history.

It's shameful we can't even get over ourselves enough to be "big" enough to recognize when a good deeds been done.

The Log Cabin members have been on the right side of DADT repeal since the beginning. They've earned a pat on the back. I for one can acknowledge that.

[ZombieHorde]

29. The Log Cabin Republicans fought against DADT; right?

Now they're being thanked for that behavior.

Aren't issues more important than political parties?

[Bluenorthwest]

30. The Log Cabin suit was important, they deserve thanks for

what they did, too bad that it was not Democrats. The POTUS has called Republicans as a whole 'honest brokers' and other such nonsense. His friends, his partners.
Your hypocrisy is nearly as glaring as your obsession with slandering Choi. Tired misleading crap, dripping from your fingers.

[CakeGrrl]

32. Learn the definition of "slander". Copying a verbatim tweet isn't it. -nt

[Bluenorthwest]

49. The community here seems to disagree with you and the OP

and only you and the OP are on this jag. And the personal comments are not needed either for that matter.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. So note, dear OP: the DU community seems to reject your

slandering of Choi, and alas and alack for you and Obama, there is just that one constant shadow of yours joining in on your side. On the entire planet, just the two of you are on this jag against a civil rights hero.

[Blue-Jay]

44. Am I living in Opposite Land?

Who fought for and signed the repeal of DADT? Was it some other president? I mean, there's PLENTY of things about the president's actions/policies that I'm not OK with, but repealing DADT ain't one of those things. He did the right thing, and he did it in the right way. Credit where credit is due, and all that stuff...

[Bluenorthwest]

48. Credit to all to whom it is due. Choi sure gave more of himself

than a signature. Log Cabin did what Democratic groups could have and should have done. The OP tweet from Choi is not about Obama, it is about Log Cabin's contribution. Credit where credit is due? Uh-huh.

[Blue-Jay]

51. You're right. Just a signature. No big deal.

Dumb 'ol fartbama.

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[dsc]

61. actually suing to remove it is every bit as right as Congressional repeal

that is what courts are for.

[Blue-Jay]

69. Yes it is.

[ruggerson]

36. What is this ugly obsession with Dan Choi? n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

54. I think it's really an ugly obsession with gays.

[QC]

62. Yep. n/t

[Aerows]

91. Agreed N/T

[dionysus]

43. you don't need to go there. they did something right (for republicans, this is rare) an should get

their fair share of credit for fighting DADT.

[Unvanguard]

47. Their successful court challenge to DADT is worthy of praise.

:shrug:

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[MuseRider]

63. I don't often do this

but this time it was my extreme pleasure to unrec this.

If Dan gives approval to someone does that mean there is not any left for anyone else? No it does not. He is correct, they did the work. I thank them as well. At least someone was capable of doing the work. Good work.

I think to most of us the D and R mean less than the parts of our lives that draw us together.

[Tx4obama]

66. Well that is confusing.

You agree with Choi, but you unrec an OP that only contains his quote.

[EFerrari]

68. The feedback from the community has been very clear on this thread.

There is no reason you should be confused in any way.

[MuseRider]

72. I seriously doubt

that anyone who cares about equality, should be all of us, needs you to tell them what happened especially in the odd, nasty way that you did.

I got his tweet, I imagine many of the rest of us did as well.

If this confuses you I can't help you.

[tekisui]

100. His quote with a misleading headline.

[Divine Discontent]

78. +1

[NMMNG]

64. Obsessed much?

People might begin to talk if you keep this up.

[mitchtv]

65. something smells around here

unrec

[Sapphocrat]

67. I'll try this again.

I feel your subject line is misleading. You may feel differently.

I, personally, join Lt. Choi in praising the LCR for accomplishing what no one else has.

I would not care if Ronald Reagan himself rose from the dead to drive a stake through the heart of DADT -- I would praise him, too.

I consider "GOPer" Betty Ford a "true American hero(ine)" for bringing both addiction and breast cancer out of the closet.

I do not like your OP.

I have un-recced it.

[Blue-Jay]

70. That's awesome!

:D

[Sapphocrat]

74. Thank you, thank you...

I'll be here all...

Oh, wait-- there are no guarantees. :think:

[EFerrari]

71. Omg. The Pod People got Sapph

:yoiks:

[Sapphocrat]

73. They are NOT Pod People!

I'll just die if I don't get this recipe...
I'll just die if I don't get this recipe...
I'll just die if I don't get this recipe...
I'll just die if I don't get this recipe...

[EFerrari]

75. LOL!

It's good to read you even in this thread.

[QC]

76. My dear, you are ready for a meeting of the Savannah Junior League!

LOL! So good to see you here again!

[Sapphocrat]

112. Why, Rhett Butler, how you talk!

;)

[Divine Discontent]

77. they did something wonderful, and he actively worked the same fight. Obama called Reagan

transformative, and a talented and effective LEADER. So, what's your point? People in the political sphere praise people they don't necessarily agree with all the time.

[Danger Mouse]

79. It's not impossible for a Republican to be an American Hero.

They're not cold-blooded space lizards who thirst for the blood of earth babies (at least as far as I know)...many Republicans have stood up for good causes, served our country honorably, and done the right thing even in situations when some Democrats wouldn't. In this case, a group of Republicans (along with many others) fought hard against a serious injustice and little by little, it is being overcome.

Credit where credit is due, after all.

[Divine Discontent]

80. exactly! what I said above you was political types who are miles apart praise each other.

[Amaril]

87. ....

self-delete - wrong place

[MrScorpio]

88. Dan Choi will dock at any port in a storm

Why this man gets so much support at a Democratic website is beyond my understanding.

[Aerows]

90. Well now

Wasn't that an interesting choice of words to use when discussing a gay man. Choi did the right thing, and I have no problem praising either him or the Log Cabin Republicans.

[MrScorpio]

92. It a common metaphor and not a reference, at all, to sexuality

The fact that you're making it such, while validating his praise of Republicans says lot more about you than it does me.

[Aerows]

93. It does say a lot about me

It says I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. As far as my comment on your metaphor, it also says that I can appreciate irony when I see it.

[MrScorpio]

95. My point is the man is a political opportunist

And something that metaphor can be said of ANY political opportunist, regardless of sexuality.

As far as I'm concerned, if he's willing to side with Republicans to further his own means, I find it necessary to point such a thing out.

[Aerows]

96. I disagree that he's a political opportunist

I don't see how giving credit where credit is due is automatically "siding with the enemy" or being a political opportunist. Just because he gave credit specifically to the Log Cabin Republicans on this specific issue doesn't mean he isn't giving credit to anyone else who helped make it happen. I'm sure he does.

It's one specific subset of Republicans, on one specific issue. Even Republicans side with Democrats on occasion when they think it's the right thing to do (see the Republican that sided with the Democrats in New York on gay marriage).

As for your comment, you must admit my observation was kind of funny considering that he's a gay sailor. It wasn't meant to be ugly towards you - I just couldn't help myself because the choice of words struck me as funny.

[MrScorpio]

99. Actually, he was in the Army, not the Navy

And I'm sure that you're quite aware of my standard disdain for all Republicans in general.

[Aerows]

102. I thought he was in the Navy

Oh well. I have a pretty standard amount of disdain for all Republicans in general myself, but I don't mind saying so if I agree with someone. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, you know?

[Prism]

98. MLK was a "political opportunist"

Most civil rights activists are.

Which you would know if you weren't standing on that high pedestal of privilege.

[MrScorpio]

101. I don't think that MLK would have shaken Andrew Breitbart's hand...

And asked Breitbart to autograph a copy of his book.

And I don't remember MLK praising the GOP because he was unhappy with LBJ's pace at getting civil rights legislation passed.

[JonLP24]

110. The Republicans are the LCR

who filed the suit. They deserve credit for that. He's giving them credit for filing suit. Nothing is wrong with that.

[MrScorpio]

113. I totally get the credit thingie...

Too bad that he had to resort to some Obama-Bashing lite to get his point across.

[EFerrari]

103. Dan Choi is a fine activist that anyone would be proud of..

Why he gets so much bizarre criticism here is incomprehensible.

[MrScorpio]

104. While he's busy playing Republicans against Democrats...

My thing is that I like Democrats better than a bunch of money grubbing quasi-fascist Log-Cabiners who are part of a party that hate them for who they are.

[EFerrari]

105. Yeah, it's a shame that the LCR get the credit that we should have earned. n/t

[MrScorpio]

106. If Dan Choi thinks that the Log Cabin Republicans are so great...

I'm absolutely sure that they'll be happy to invite him to join up with them.

[EFerrari]

107. Choi is far from alone in thinking the LCR did something right for once

and to make it about him is childish.

[MrScorpio]

109. Well, I see your point then. What's wrong with a little praise for the LCR…

Especially, when a little Obama bashing is also thrown in for effect?

[EFerrari]

114. That would be the Obama that still opposes same sex marriage, right?

[MrScorpio]

115. It's the Obama who's on his way to abolishing DADT once and for all...

Even if he doesn't snap his fingers to make it go away.

[EFerrari]

116. The same Obama who invokes States Rights of all things

to dodge the issue?

The point is, there are legitimate reasons for people in thye GLBT community to be pissed at Obama, regardless of your minimizing of their concerns.

[MrScorpio]

117. So tell me, do you think that Obama could have abolished it single-handedly?

And, if so, how?

[EFerrari]

118. No, thank you. n/t

[MrScorpio]

119. Of course, he couldn't...

It's a slow moving political and bureaucratic process, that's not entirely under his control.

Yet a lot of people, like Choi, seem to delight in heaping all of the blame on Obama for it not disappearing overnight. Sure, he was praising the LCR, but that "Fierce Advocate" dig was a cheap shot thrown the President's way at best.

Especially, without any recognition for his effort to make an the eventuality of a complete repeal a done deal, I'm sure we all know what Choi's point is. Happy to make the Republicans look good at Obama's expense for sure.

If you want to talk about childish, that's a great definition right there.

[QC]

89. .

[Prism]

94. I swear, partisans would be savaging MLK today around these parts

And that is the kind of figure Choi is within the modern LGBT community.

So, nice to see which side of history you're playing with there.

[Aerows]

97. Kind of amazing isn't it?

Especially coming from "Democrats". It really looks like we've got the Obama party around here, and then the Democratic Party. Equal rights has always been a Democratic Party value. Sniping at someone for thanking a Republican because they helped in the fight for equal rights just doesn't strike me as a Democratic Party value, but oh well.

[Sapphocrat]

111. You want to know what I find amazing?

Besides the idea that "reaching across the aisle" is a good thing only when President Obama does it, I mean...

What amazes me is how many times I (and many, many others) have been scolded, ever so severely, for "alienating" potential LGBT "allies" by being too "aggressive" and "oversensitive." It seems to me that failure (especially the deliberate failure) to acknowledge the good things our ideological foes may do (i.e., give credit where credit is due) is just what many LGBTs are accused of doing: alienating potential allies because they have an "R" after their names.

I wonder... Do those who feel the LCR deserve only brickbats feel the same way about New York's Republican legislators who voted in favor of marriage equality? I expect some folks who think only in terms of black-and-white and good-and-evil must indeed.

Perhaps we should all write letters to the New York Republicans reminding them that they are still despicable human beings, no matter what they do. Ditto Mayor Jerry Sanders, former Rep. Tom Campbell, and all of these horrible people... and, OMG, I almost forgot this miserable excuse for a human being!

:sarcasm: <= tag for the impaired

[xchrom]

108. What sitting democratic president praised Reagan?

Kept bush tax cuts, thereby damaging an already weak economic, promotes more free trade agreements before renegotiating the old ones - like he promised, still thinks marriage = is a states rights issue, etc?

Dan choi is an American hero - Obama - not so much.

[sudopod]

121. They fought for his rights. You mad? nt