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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:45 PM
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Poll question: A poll on how DU feels about Dominique Strauss Kahn vs. the maid.
Which version of events do you believe, based on current evidence?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:50 PM
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1. Strauss Kahn via arm bar in the 3rd round. n/t
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:53 PM
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"The maid" who has no name?
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:01 PM
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She does, but I'm not going to publish it.
Her name and photograph are easily found on the Internets.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:05 PM
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8. She has a name.
The law says you don't need to know it at this time.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:53 PM
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2. Protected Privilege in motion ,He knows no other way ,Scumbag.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:54 PM
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3. Has there been a trial?
DSK hasn't made any statements, so how can we 'believe' anything?

Unless I'm wrong, most the M$M attributions to DSK's motives are just speculation
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:59 PM
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4. His attorneys have made representations about the maid's credibility
An indirect but important statement. They also admit to sex between DSK and the maid, but claim that it was consensual.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:01 PM
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6. Actually, the prosecution has tanked the maid's credibility
from what I've read anyway
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:03 PM
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7. though the pivotal question is "how much"?
even if her credibility is challenged, it may not make DSK's version of events true.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:12 PM
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10. please provide a link to an attributed source where the defense claims consensual sex
The media speculated he might claim consensual sex as a defense and idiots just sort of ran with it.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:38 PM
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11. Here you go.


"Dominique Strauss-Kahn will admit he had sexual contact with the hotel chambermaid who alleges he attacked her, but insist it was consensual, his lawyers have indicated."

(this is the sub headline in the following article)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8519339/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-sexual-contact-with-chambermaid-consensual.html
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:02 PM
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12. Yet his lawyers have made no such statement
Repeating media speculation doesn't make it true.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:55 PM
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14. "His lawyers have indicated" does not make it media speculation.
For the lawyers to indicate something, they must have made a statement in some form to reporters, even if it is on background or unofficial. That does not make it media speculation; the lawyers said something.

There are a number of reports about this point, too.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:14 PM
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15. And his lawyers have still made no such statement
As of his last court appearance neither he or his defense have claimed consensual sex. Like almost everything else in this farce most of what has been reported in the media is unsubstantiated nonsense.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:15 PM
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18. No official statement. So?
Are you saying it doesn't count if the defense team is leaking information to the press? This is the way lots of news happens in this world, the old anonymous source. Like I said, this doesn't constitute speculation. There is plenty of speculation in this case; this isn't it.

I would say that almost anything printed by the New York Post is imaginary, beyond the realm of speculation altogether.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:33 PM
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20. Yes, i'm saying anonymous sources don't count.
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 08:04 PM by Sen. Walter Sobchak
I have interesting first hand experience with this, I was interviewed about a bankruptcy proceeding and I refused to be quoted as having said that an adversarial proceeding in the given case was an accusation of fraud. So if by magic I was transformed into an anonymous source quoted as saying the very statement I refused to have attributed to me along with all my other comments unchanged.

The first rule of dealing with the media is: "The media makes shit up."

Strauss Kahn et-al has never deviated from their position he has an alibi.

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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:53 PM
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21. You have an interesting viewpoint.
I'm not sure that I agree with it.

This case is remarkable for all the different spins it has gone through, and those spins haven't ended yet, and I expect the eventual story will be completely different from most of what we know right now. I still tend to believe the maid, however. I may be wrong.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:01 PM
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5. DSK has a history of "unwanted advances."
If I had to place a bet, I'd say the maid got seriously hassled at a minimum, and maybe more.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:41 PM
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9. kick!
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:03 PM
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13. The maid - nt
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:14 PM
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16. I think it was Professor Plumb in the library with the candlestick n/t
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:25 PM
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17. Not enough information to tell, at this point.
But I think we should eat him anyway, just on general principle.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:21 PM
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19. That woman's story is proving to have more holes
in it than a wheel of Swiss cheese. Strauss-Kahn's version is, IMO, closer to the probable truth.

A real victim doesn't first ask how she can benefit from the situation financially.
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