If Nader's voters had instead chose Gore, there would not have been Bush* tax cuts.

[LoZoccolo]

[Ice Number Nine]

1. many of them still can't accept this.

It must be a weight upon their shoulders.

[TheWraith]

150. And they still claim that Nader had nothing to do with Bush getting elected.

Because, apparently, the 97,000 votes he got in Florida is smaller than the 5,000 or so votes that would have clinched it for Gore and preempted the entire existence of the Bush admin.

[Fuddnik]

159. I wish he would run again, so I could give him the vote I owe him from 2000.

[Autumn]

2. Al Gore won the election. Blame the supreme court.

When all the votes were counted, Al Gore was the winner. The only votes that counted ended up being 5 to 4 in Bush's favor. Get over Nader, he had every right to run.

[elocs]

Right, and last fall here in WI every Democratic voter who chose not to vote had that right also,

but look what it got for the rest of us. Just because someone has the right to do something (even voting for Nader was their "right") does not make it righteous choice in the end.

It would make an interesting novel about how America would be had Gore been President for 8 years. Kind of like had the South won the Civil War.

What would have been real interesting would be if JFK jr. had lived.

[Autumn]

19. That's Democracy for you

it might get a little messy but it's ours. People who don't vote are stupid. As for it being a righteous choice, everyone should vote their conscience and that makes it a righteous choice.

[elocs]

68. Here in Wisconsin, anyone who chose to vote for Walker or chose not to vote which helped him win,

well in my book that was not a righteous choice when so many people are hurt as a consequence.

[elocs]

10. Right, and last fall here in WI every Democratic voter who chose not to vote had that right also,

but look what it got for the rest of us. Just because someone has the right to do something (even voting for Nader was their "right") does not make it righteous choice in the end.

It would make an interesting novel about how America would be had Gore been President for 8 years. Kind of like had the South won the Civil War.

What would have been real interesting would be if JFK jr. had lived.

[WhiteTara]

12. Had there been an additional 97000 votes

for Gore that Nadir demanded "To show them" we wouldn't have Bush tax cuts or 3 wars in the ME or or or or ... Nadir is a plant and always has been.

[pnwmom]

15. Nader didn't even hide the fact that he was trying to help the Rethugs.

And yet millions fell for it.

[WhiteTara]

81. No, he never changed his party affiliation from republican

ever.

[hfojvt]

116. it's wrong to focus on Florida

Gore only needed 7,211 votes to win New Hampshire and get an electoral college win. Nader took over 22,000 votes in New Hampshire. Put New Hampshire in Gore's column and Florida and the Supreme Court become irrelevant sideshows.

But thanks to Nader, Gore almost lost Iowa, New Mexico, Oregon, and Minnesota and Wisconsin were much closer than they needed to be. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/118

[earthside]

25. Indeed: Gore Won

Bush cheated.

In the United States you have the right to vote for whom you want ... the vast majority of Naderites are Naderites; neither Gore nor any Democrat has any claim to those people's votes.

Whenever this topic comes up it gets me how some folks want to shift the blame for the stolen election to Nader instead of placing it clearly where it should be -- on Bush/Cheney, the cheaters, and the coup plotters on the Supreme Court.

[The Magistrate]

3. Quite True, Sir

[Webster Green]

27. Not really.

I voted for Nader in 2000, to support the Green Party here in CA. My "safe state" vote for Nader had no effect on the outcome whatsoever.

As for the Nader voters in Florida, well....Gore won the election in Florida. Fat Tony had other ideas.

[The Magistrate]

86. Fat Tony Never Could Have Got Near It, Sir, Without Nader's Voters In Florida

[TheWraith]

152. Indeed. That's what the "blame the Supreme Court" chorus misses.

Were it not for Nader, there would never have been a court case. There would never have been a recount. And Al Gore would have been the 43rd President of the United States.

[TygrBright]

4. And if Kennedy hadn't insisted on an open car in Dallas, there wouldn't have been a Vietnam War n/t

[Autumn]

9. And if Hitlers Mother would have had an abortion

there would never have been a Holocaust.:thumbsup:

[tnlefty]

32. And if Katherine Harris hadn't illegally purged eligible voters from

the rolls...I truly despise that woman. she did what she did and was never even slapped on the wrist for it. :mad:

[elocs]

5. I don't know, wasn't the meme going around then that there was no difference between Bush & Gore?

:shrug: So how did that work out?

[aquart]

33. Yeah, that was Nader's theme song.

There were people who actually had the nerve to say it to me. But only once.

[neverforget]

6. And if Florida had counted all the votes

[AlabamaLibrul]

7. More fun to punch hippies than remember that * stole the election n/t

[MadHound]

11. More fun to punch hippies than actually concede that Gore did win in Florida

The OP has been shown this fact time and again, along with the fact that Gore completely screwed the pooch when it came to the recount, but he refuses to recognize these facts. His obsession with Nader completely blinds him to reality.

[LoZoccolo]

28. I remember that Bush* stole the election.

[Capitalocracy]

147. If Gore voters had chosen to vote for Nader...

well, Bush probably still would've found a way to steal the election. He had the Supreme Court on his side, after all.

[bluestate10]

8. Exactly. Now watch the pissing begin.

One of the meat line is that if Gore had won more vote, he would have won. But with tens of thousands throwing away their votes, those responsible for Bush II and near national destruction are....tadaaaaa, Nader Florida 2000 voters.

[toddaa]

58. I've never understood this line of reasoning

Third party candidates can't win without a majority of the vote, but voting from them is wasting your vote. By that logic, everyone who votes for any candidate who does not win is wasting their vote. Unless you voted for Bush in 2000, you wasted your vote. If all those Nader voters went with Gore in Florida, then Bush voters would have wasted their vote. I guess the best way to guarantee your vote is not wasted is to choose the candidate with the best poll numbers.


America's two party system works so well, the NCAA uses it as a model for choosing the best college football team.

[BigDemVoter]

13. And if I had a million dollars. . .

And if pigs could fly. . .

:wtf:

[elleng]

14. STOLEN ELECTION, don't you get it?

[pnwmom]

17. If the 95,000+ Florida Nader voters had voted for Gore,

the election wouldn't have ended up close enough to get stolen.

[xphile]

49. And if Gore ran a better campaign he might have gotten more of those votes.

But apparently he didn't do enough to appeal to those votes. And the Democratic party is not entitled to the vote of every person who considers themselves left of center.

[pnwmom]

64. He wasn't good enough at countering Nader's lies, unfortunately.

Anyone left of center threw his or her vote away if they voted for Nader . . . and helped to ensure Bush's election.

[xphile]

90. Lies? Gore didn't bother to do much to separate himself from Bush. So he basically played up to

exactly what Nader called him out on. That would be Gore's fault for not doing a good job of differentiating himself. That is called Nader telling the damn truth and Gore not making him look like a liar.

And Gore would tell you his damn self how lousy a campaign he ran.

[pnwmom]

95. Gore did an excellent job of differentiating himself. However,

the media ignored everything he actually said because they preferred to mock him for being too "wooden," for "rolling his eyes," etc. To the media, the contest between Bush and Gore was all about personality -- all the issues got drowned in the swamp of Bush's he'stheguyyouwanttohaveabeerwith personality.

They also twisted and distorted everything Gore said to make him a laughingstock. Gore correctly took credit for helping to get a toxic waste situation cleaned up (I forget the name of the place), and the media pretended that Gore was lying about it. They also pretended that Gore had said he "invented the Internet." He never said that -- he did take credit for writing legislation that made the Internet possible. But the media had already decided to turn everything Gore said into a joke.

And then there was Nader, offering his two bits -- that there was no difference between the sleeze ball, Bush, and the environmental crusader (yes, even then) Gore. And millions of progressives who should have known better bought Nader's lies.

[xphile]

107. Clearly he didn't do that great a job in the eyes of those who voted for

Nader otherwise they may have voted for Gore instead. Apparently, being DLC Republican lite wasn't enough for those who decided to go another way.

Of course it's entirely possible that Nader voters might have not voted at all. There's no way to know for sure. What we do know for sure is that Nader is not the reason Gore lost the election. The only lies involved here are the ones you and the rest of the deluded tell themselves about how Nader cost Gore the election despite all the evidence to the contrary.

And your undeserved sense of entitlement is really quite galling. Nader voters had every right to vote any damn way they chose. If the Democratic party wanted their votes then Gore should have done a better job of courting them. He didn't and people decided to vote another way. That's on Gore. Nader had every right to run. And your ridiculous temper tantrums at the nerve of people to dare vote some way you don't approve of doesn't change that.

[pnwmom]

110. Nader's 95,000+ Florida voters ARE all responsible for helping

Bush to win. If only 10% of them had voted for Gore instead, we would have had a 9500 spread instead of a 500 spread -- much too large for the Bush people to pull their nasty tricks.

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[xphile]

128. No they weren't. Those voters had every right to vote any way they damn well wanted to.

The party was not entitled to those votes. If Gore had run a better campaign it wouldn't have been close enough to steal.

The talking point that Nader is responsible for Bush getting into office is the true lie and you have been pushing that bullshit for a decade now. It hasn't become less false by constant repetition.

[LoZoccolo]

138. If their actions predictably affect an outcome, then they are responsible.

[xphile]

139. Bullshit. There's no predicting a damn thing unless you had already decided how many votes all the

candidates get.

Your line of reasoning, for lack of a better word for the specious lines of bullshit you spew, is predicated on assuming that every person who is left of center has to vote for the Democratic party. No party is entitled to any vote that's why they go out and campaign to convince people to vote for them. Gore didn't do a very good job at it and some people voted for a party that better represented what they want in a candidate. They had every right to do that. But to say that they should have voted for Gore is to imply that they didn't have the right to vote for someone else which is complete bullshit.

Not to mention with all the shit that went wrong in the 2000 election which the Democratic party still hasn't bothered to address. But instead you focus on people who voted for Ralph Nader. Why? Probably because you're a bully with all the implications about lack of intelligence that that label implies. You can't be bothered with fixing what's actually wrong so you focus on a bunch of people you perceive to be less powerful, have fewer advocates, and are generally easier to spit upon.

It's as pathetic as your revolting sense of entitlement and really makes it difficult to take any damn thing you say seriously. The only reason why I bother is because I can't fucking stand bullies and feel someone needs to stand up to them.

[LoZoccolo]

140. Should people vote for Republicans because you can't predict if you'll actually like their policies?

[xphile]

142. They didn't vote Republican. So your question is specious. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

145. It questions the idea that there is no responsibility because you cannot fully predict outcomes.

[Renew Deal]

141. I think the last 10 years have proven that's BS.

[xphile]

143. No it didn't. All the last 10 yeas has shown is that the party has learned NOTHING as

can be seen how they are STILL acting like Republican lite but expect progressives to not actually fight them.

"We're not as bad as it could be with Republicans running things" is not a persuasive argument to get people to vote for you.

[Renew Deal]

144. I see it differently.

I think it shows you've learned nothing.

[xphile]

146. You're still trying to berate people into voting for a party that's disrespecting them?

Good luck with that.

Like I said, 10 years later and not a damn thing has been learned.

[Kaleva]

52. And if the 200k plus Dems who voted for Bush had voted for Gore instead...

Florida would have been an easy win for Gore.

[pnwmom]

65. Many of them were elderly people befuddled by the butterfly ballot.

And many of the others had old registrations and had stopped voting as Democrats decades earlier.

[SwampG8r]

102. sorry but no

they are people from all over america who come here to florida when they have befouled their own nests to the point as to be unliveable.
thye register as democrats but...when any dem runs they vote gop
why?well their kids already went to school back in the old home town and they dont see why they should send mine to good schools
when we have a good progressive run all the gop has to do in florida is talk about cost and all these wonderful folks from everywhere else say "no we already got __________ (FILL IN THE BLANK with a basic service they no longer directly use) and we no longer want to pay for using the _________________(fill in blank with schools roads infrastructure needs)
if you have missing votes in florida they just werent where you thought they would be because the state of florida is filled with americas retired DINOs

[saras]

118. So? Why are their excuses any better than the excuses of people who wanted someone better than Gore?

[LoZoccolo]

26. I believe the election was stolen.

[Webster Green]

16. Not this shit again.

Good grief!

It was the Supreme W. Court, not Nader.

[LoZoccolo]

21. What I said and what you said can both be true.

[pnwmom]

22. The Supreme Court didn't take 95,000 progressive votes away from Gore.

Nader was the one who did that. The case would never have gotten to SCOTUS if Nader had listened to progressives who asked him to either not campaign in the critical swing states, or agree to vote-swapping.

[xphile]

91. Nobody took the votes away from Gore. He didn't fucking earn them. What part of

the Democratic party is not entitled to anyone's vote do you not understand?

[SwampG8r]

103. if you had a week to bus em in

you would not find that many "progressives "in florida
just a bunch of retired northerners who USED to vote democrat but dont now that bthey are here

[bluestateguy]

18. There is a reason why so many Nader voters were limousine liberals

Hope you are enjoying your taxcuts Michael Moore and Barbara Ehrenreich!

[Youth Uprising]

44. You've got to be fucking kidding me...

Nader voters where limousine liberals? The people who voted for the outside candidate? Not the people who voted for the establishment candidate?

[still_one]

20. Not necessarily true, LIEberman could possibly be president, and do exactly what the rethugs are

doing

[LoZoccolo]

24. Lieberman had a fairly partisan voting record.

[still_one]

104. I think we are seeing the real Lieberman in action now, and I suspect if he eventually became

president, we would see that behavior exhibit itself.

[NNN0LHI]

23. We would be looking at ways to lower the age for SS eligibility instead of raising it right now

Nader and his Larouchie type followers are not our friends. They never were.

Don

[MadHound]

29. Nice to see the two minute hate is in full swing n/t

[LoZoccolo]

30. Are you upset about the Bush* tax cuts?

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[LoZoccolo]

37. This issue is not about me.

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[tekisui]

46. The Bush-Obama tax cuts do suck.

[tekisui]

34. Tedious, old and irrelevant argument.

[Le Taz Hot]

59. The repertoire is limited so

it sometimes becomes necessary to bring out the old chestnuts from time to time, just to have something to blather about and blame "libruls" in the process. 'Cause goddess knows IT NEVER GET OLD! :eyes:

[Better Believe It]

35. You're right. They would have been called "Gore's tax cuts". They are now "Obama's tax cuts"

And President Obama supports the continuation of the "Bush tax cuts".

Does that now make them Obama's tax cuts?

[Autumn]

38. They became Obama tax cuts when he made the

deal to extend them.

[Prometheus Bound]

36. With 52% of Americans saying a third party is needed, do you think someone's getting nervous?

Support for Third U.S. Party Dips, but Is Still Majority View
Fifty-two percent believe a third political party is needed

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147461/Support-Third-Party-Dips-Majority-View.aspx?utm_source=tagrss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_term=Politics

[NNN0LHI]

39. And Bush once had a +90% approval rating

What did that suggest to you?

Don

[Prometheus Bound]

69. It suggests to me that a traumatic collective experience can have unusual temporary results.

[LoZoccolo]

40. Less people voted for Nader in 2004 than in 2000.

[Prometheus Bound]

71. This is 2011 and the poll shows a majority thinks a third party is needed.

If I were one of the big two, I might be a tad concerned.

[LoZoccolo]

83. I think a third party is needed to split the Republicans.

[Prometheus Bound]

89. That would be excellent.

[LoZoccolo]

99. How many of those 52% also meant it like that?

[alcibiades_mystery]

55. They'll probably get nervous when y'all can muster more than 5% in any election

:rofl:

Belief is one thing. Voting is another.

[Prometheus Bound]

72. I'm a Canadian living in China. I'm irrelevant.

I still they they must be nervous. If they aren't, they're not very prudent.

[Shagbark Hickory]

42. Another quality post from loco coco. Unrec

[MiniMe]

43. We also wouldn't be in the debt problem we are in now

[TheKentuckian]

45. And if several times more Democrats hadn't voted directly for Bush then no Bush either

Or if Gore didn't decide that "Governor Bush is right" a billion times he wouldn't have run voters to Nader.

Or if he didn't choose a backstabbing corporatist for his VP.

Or if he didn't concede, un-concede, and finally roll over.

Or if he didn't run away from his popular President who would have won by his largest margin if he could have run again.

Or if we didn't have a corrupt Supreme Court.

Or any number of things.

Go win votes instead of pissing on the heads of those who you think OWE you their allegiance regardless of how you ignore or alternatively degrade their issues and needs.

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[xphile]

48. If you posted less often there would be fewer stupid threads up.

Just sayin'

[kentuck]

50. More Democrats voted for Bush than voted for Nader.

True.

[Kaleva]

53. And if Gore would have won his homestate, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

[baldguy]

51. If the USSC wasn't corrupt to the core, there woul've been no 9/11,

no wars in Afghanistan, Iraq & Pakistan, and no Bush tax cuts.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. And, vice-versa.

[cameozalaznick]

56. Or if Pat Buchanan had not run...

But you can't keep playing if only. You'll make yourself crazy.

[lunasun]

70. That is true..blame him too .......if you are playing the 'blame game'!!!!!

[AldebTX]

57. Or -a- 5-4 conservative Supreme Court.

[readmoreoften]

60. Nothing but the Dem version of "Clinton caused 9-11", Take responsibility.

It makes you look weak and cowardly.

And look at the Supreme Court instead of the people you think owe you votes and allegiance when your platform represents nothing of what they want or demand.

[LoZoccolo]

85. Maybe they would have voted for Gore if they read more often.

[Mnemosyne]

100. I voted for Nader because I do read; LIEberman sucked/s. It's why many didn't vote for Gore.

If I had had a clue that they would actually steal it so blatantly, I wouldn't have bothered to vote at all. I have great respect for Mr. Gore, and fully intended to vote for him; until he took on that fucking asshole turncoat as Veep, could not vote for him after that.

Seriously, why are you in such denial of the thefts of the 2000 and 2004 elections? Maybe you need to read more....

[JI7]

61. you post a lot of stupid crap, but this one is really true

[QC]

62. If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle. n/t

[indepat]

63. Thank God, junior's tax cuts had a sunset provision. Now that BHO's tax cuts have kicked in for

the wealthy, the little people will just have to suck it up and accept pillage of a goodly portion of their earned and already-paid-for social security and Medicare benefits. Now ain't this some kind of great country or what, when government will fu*k lower income people out of their benefits to pay for those tax cuts for the uber-wealthy? :patriot:

[moondust]

66. Or Citizens United.

Of course Nader and his voters don't deserve all the blame, but doggedly staying in the race to the bitter end rather than gracefully bowing out and redirecting his voters was reckless beyond belief.

[Electric Monk]

67. You aren't helping. I suspect you garner more 3rd party support than bring voters to the Dem party.

[LoZoccolo]

73. Do you have a link to prove that?

[tekisui]

77. The poster said "they suspect". No link needed.

[LoZoccolo]

82. I suspect I've brought 40,000 voters to the Democratic Party, and 5 to third parties.

[Electric Monk]

87. Which important news item are you trying to distract attention away from tonight?

You've stated before that that's your motivation for threads like this one.

[LoZoccolo]

88. I'm trying to protect John Lennon's reputation.

[flvegan]

74. So fucking boring. n/t

[tekisui]

78. You are so fucking right. I just don't get the 'why'.

[Bobbie Jo]

79. Yet here you are.

:shrug:

[flvegan]

114. And?

The same stupid shit, by the OP, over and over. I expressed my opinion.

What else you got?

[Bobbie Jo]

122. If you're bored, move on.

I just expressed mine.

Now what?

[cherokeeprogressive]

75. If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses when they jump.

I put those two arguments on the exact same level of relevance.

[dbt]

76. Is yet ANOTHER Shit Statement.

:evilgrin:

Innit?

How many does this make?

[upi402]

80. uhh

if cows could fly... sumthin sumthin sumthin

[WillyT]

84. If Stars Hadn't Exploded Billions Of Years Ago...

There would be no Etch-A-Sketch.

Think about it...

:shrug:

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[LoZoccolo]

98. I don't bother you when you're working.

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[Malikshah]

94. Why stop there--anyone who voted for Reagan is responsible for the mess

we're in. Every last damn one of them!!













so there.

[inna]

96. precious

:sarcasm:


:puke:

[krispos42]

97. It's one of a multitude of "what-ifs"

It's also true that if the person who designed the "butterfly ballot" hadn't gotten all cute and original, Al Gore would have won as well.

Or if Al Gore had won his home state.

Or if the fucking SCOTUS hasn't completely discredited and shames themselves and American jurisprudence for a century.

There are probably more.

[JonLP24]

101. How dead is this horse?

Shit. You're beating on a skeleton.

[SwampG8r]

105. if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle

[begin_within]

106. Has anyone bothered to ask Nader voters why they chose Nader instead of Gore?

[xphile]

109. No they don't. They're too busy crying at the loss of what they perceived to be something that

belonged to Gore I guess. The fact that said votes didn't belong to Gore and that the voters were entitled to choose Nader for whatever reasons they chose still hasn't crossed their minds.

[Hugabear]

113. STOP BLAMING THIS ON NADER VOTERS. BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION.

Yes, I typed in all caps, because I'm sick and tired of people blaming the Bush years on Nader voters. Yes, it would have been nice if those votes would have gone for Gore. But the fact of the matter is that Gore still won the election even without the Nader votes. Had the SCOTUS not gotten involved, if Florida had counted ALL of the votes, then we would have never had to suffer through the Bush years. So please, stop blaming Nader voters for Bush's "victory".

[LoZoccolo]

115. But isn't what I said true?

[cherokeeprogressive]

117. You're blaming it on American Citizens who exercised their right to vote for their candidate of

choice.

Either support Democracy or don't. Pick a side.

[LoZoccolo]

121. But it's true?

[Electric Monk]

126. Like you care about truth. Hilarious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1387320&mesg_id=1388724
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1388717
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1378427&mesg_id=1378947

[LoZoccolo]

131. I might not, but that does not make anything true or untrue.

[Cali_Democrat]

154. ROFL. n/t

[Hugabear]

137. Actually, no it's not true.

You're building your case on a hypothetical scenario - if Nader voters had voted for Gore instead, then Bush would have never been President.

The FACT of the matter is that the rethugs STOLE the election. That is an indisputable fact, recounts clearly show that Gore would have won if all votes had been allowed to be counted. It's possible that if Gore had the extra Nader votes, he might have won. But we don't know that for a fact. It's impossible to prove a "what-if" situation. For all we know, the rethugs would have still found a way to steal the election.

[xphile]

148. No it's not. What part of your argument is bloody false do you not understand? n/t

[Raine]

119. IF Gore had picked just about anyone other than LIEberman

he would have so many more votes they couldn't have stolen the election and we would never have had Bush.

[Lucian]

120. Geez. Why are some people so stupid about the 2000 election?

1. The Supreme Court selected Bush to be President.
2. There were people who voted for other than Nader who are equal blame for Bush winning Florida.
3. Many ballots were later found that were all for Gore.
4. That means the election was stolen.
And 5. The great thing about a democracy is that people get to vote for whomever they want.

But keep blaming Nader voters. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Romulox]

123. Everybody's to blame...but AL.

:rofl:

[fishwax]

124. If Bush's voters had instead chose(n) Gore, there would not have been Bush* tax cuts.

[kick-ass-bob]

125. Lets go back farther.... If California had not voted Raygun governor

we wouldn't have had trickle down economics.

Let's see how revisionist we can get. This is a fun game. :sarcasm:

[Bake]

127. OK. Gore DID win in FL. But it should NEVER have been close enough to steal.

Gore blew it by distancing himself from the Big Dog, and acting like a total wuss. At times he ran a crappy campaign.

It should never have been close enough to steal. And now, in addition to teh Bush/Obama tax cuts and three wars, we also have (dont' forget) Citizens United. Supreme Court appointments are for LIFE. That would NEVER have happened otherwise.

It was a whole big combination of factors, Nader probably being the biggest. Oh, and for the CA voters who went for Nader because they thought it woudlnt' matter, yeah, I'd say it did. EVERY VOTE IS PRECIOUS. EVERY VOTE MATTERS. Maybe you didn't swing your state, but what did you accomplish? NOTHING. And you still turned traitor on your party, assuming you claim to be a Democrat.

I may live in a red state and my vote may not swing the Electoral College, but I will NEVER under any circumstances vote for a Puke or a third party. Because I can't know, in advance, that my vote won't matter. It matters.

Bake

[dionysus]

129. if only people had chosen Blur over Oasis....

:P

[beardown]

130. But there would have been Lieberman

So who knew we not only have a Lieberman fan at DU, but one bold enough to trumpet it to the whole group? Gotta admire your guts or capability for self delusion because whichever it is you've got plenty of it.

Gore showed his hand by picking Joe "Second most hated man on DU" as his veep.

Obama showed his hand early by nominating a bunch of Wall St and banking hacks.

Now if McCain had won in 2008 and if some other liberal candidate had run for office I'm sure you'd be spewing the "If (liberal candidate) had instead chosen Obama there would be no American troops in Iraq, the Bush tax cuts would have been rolled back, we'd have a single payer health care system, the corrupt banks would not have been protected by trillions of tax payers money, the stimulus package would have provided jobs and not tax cuts, etc., etc., and you'd be wrong.

If you want progressives to vote for dems, make the dem party accountable for not being progressive enough and quite enabling them by accepting an ever smaller piece of the pie election after election. Take your fight to them, not liberals who don't accept the DLC corporate power version of the Democratic party.

By the way, a whole bunch of Florida's democratic voters voted for Bush so you might want to start kicking your own ass in between trying to shift the blame for the Democratic party losing liberal voters because of the Democratic leadership swing to the right to liberals exercising their constitutional rights and voting for liberal candidates.

[Romulox]

132. If Al Gore hadn't been a crappy DLC "centrist", perhaps he could've inspired more people.

:shrug:

[Fumesucker]

133. Another OP custom designed to unite us in common cause for the average working person..

My hat's off to you sir (or madam), your posts never fail to shed infinitely more light than heat.

[LoZoccolo]

134. The common cause was avoiding Bush* tax cuts.

[Fumesucker]

135. Too bad that more Democrats didn't vote for Gore instead of Bush..

Every Democrat that voted for Bush was like two Nader voters in destructive power.

I'm glad you stand with me in condemning those Democrats who voted for Bush in the harshest possible terms.

[VeryConfused]

136. very true

[Romulox]

149. If Gore hadn't been point man for the job-obliterating NAFTA, maybe Nader wouldn't have had so much

support? :shrug:

[Rex]

151. Why are you telling us things we already know?

[LoZoccolo]

158. It seems that the idea is still being debated.

[MNBrewer]

153. If Gore had chosen anyone other than Joe Lieberman there would have been no Bush tax cuts

His spectacularly poor judgment in choosing that running mate cost him the election.

[Uncle Joe]

156. If Clinton hadn't decided to "Quit thinking about tomorrow" while choosing instead

to use a young intern as a humidor and then look the American People in the eye and lie about it as opposed to telling the truth or telling us it was none of our business after having Gore stand up for him on the White House lawn to prevent from being impeached and convicted, Gore may not have been forced to choose Liebermann as a counter balance.

But even more to the point if the corporate media hadn't decided to slander and libel Gore for the better part of two years prior the selection because he did champion opening up the Internet for the people as this threatened the corporate media's business model, Gore would've won in a landslide in spite of Clinton's betrayal of his trust and Nader.

[Baby Bear]

155. No Way

Jeb Bush in the governor's seat and Catherine Harris in charge of counting the votes. No way the democrats could have carried Florida.

[Blue_In_AK]

157. Not this shit again. n/t

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