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AlanCranston Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:25 AM
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how is it mathematically possible for obama to have lost
the white working class vote and by 18 points? When I think of the white working class, I think of congressional districts like Pennsylvania 14, Ohio 13, Michigan 15, Indiana 1 and 2, Illinois 3, Minnesota 8, Wisconsin 4, Iowa 1 and 2 etc. All those congressional districts I listed were ones Obama won.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:35 AM
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1. You've listed districts in just 8 states
It's not exactly a snapshot of the country, is it? You're looking at midwestern districts only.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:57 AM
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2. I would not call PA or Ohio midwest.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:03 PM
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3. What would you call them? nt
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:06 PM
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5. If PA's not "East", then what is it?
There's a 50 miles to the Atlantic Ocean...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:07 PM
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7. PA is rustbelt with an plus an Atlantic coastal city with suburbs.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:09 PM
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8. PA may not consider themselves midwesterners, but Ohio
sure is.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:13 PM
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11. 300 miles for the PA 14th District - Pittsburgh
If we were talking about all of PA, or not with all of the rest of the districts being those just to the west of Pittsburgh, then 'midwest' might not be an appropriate adjective. But if you just gave people those districts on a map without the state lines drawn on them, and asked for a geographical adjective for them all, I think 'midwestern' would be a typical choice.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:05 PM
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4. Except for Cincinnati, Ohio is definitely midwest.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:09 PM
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9. Ohio is, officially (ie Census division); Pennsylvania 14th is right next door (in Pittsburgh)
http://www.census.gov/geo/www/us_regdiv.pdf

It's certainly just one area of the country, and thus not a representative slice of 'white working class American'.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:06 PM
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6. What makes you think PA 14 is particularly white?
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 01:11 PM
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16. I live in Indiana 1 and it's not particularly white, either. n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:12 PM
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10. Falure to tax the rich, failure to get medicare for all, falure to end wars, failure to stop
outsourcing jobs.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:27 PM
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13. In Other Words, the Republican Policy of Obstructing and Filibustering is Working
All the Repigs have to do is say "NO" and they win. Everybody will blame Obama, including you.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:35 PM
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15. THANK you.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 05:08 PM
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17. That is completely untrue. If they did nothing, the tax cuts would have expired, and
we would not be having this BS discussion about cutting social services to pay for the deficit.

If they were really on our side, they would say we need to cut the wars to pay for the deficit, at minimum.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:43 AM
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18. EVERYBODY'S Taxes Would Have Gone Up, and Unemployment Would Have Expired
You are forgetting about those.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:26 PM
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12. By Losing Places Like Georgia by 200% or Something

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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:34 PM
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14. Consider that Bush won the white vote in states like Illinois and California.
States that are considered safe, blue states.
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