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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 10:29 PM
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Duers! Why are Republicons allowed to lie?
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 10:38 PM
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1. because their lips are moving
And it seems second nature to them. I'm sure there is a doctorial dissertation in the psychology of holding up morals and values, the cross, the bible, Christianity, and their sainted mothers, while they lie.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 10:44 PM
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5. Called Conservatives without a Conscience
by John Dean
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 10:38 PM
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2. Trick question?
I mean, it must be.

Because everyone knows the answer.

GOPpies are allowed to lie because they own the media, the politicians, the police, the military, the courts, and, well... the economy.

Who's gonna stop 'em?

So... trick question, huh?

suspiciously,
Bright
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 10:43 PM
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4. That sums it up quite nicely.
Particularly the fact that they own the media. :thumbsup:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:33 AM
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14. they don't really own the media
The media is owned by Jack Welch, not by George W. Bush. George W. Bush SERVES the Jack Welch types who own the media and thus the Welchers put Bush into political office, or at least try their darnedest to do so.

Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, Palin, Romney and Bachmann do not own the media, although some of them have enough money to purchase the time to catapault their propaganda, but ads are not quite as powerful as supposedly objective journalists like Russert, Matthews and Wallace calling you a "straight talker" or a "brilliant guy" with a "serious plan" (like future Senator Ryan) while at the same time trashing your opponents as "phony" and "dishonest" and "calculating".

It's more correct to say that they are owned by the same people who own the media.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 05:10 AM
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16. And Jack Welch is what? A Hyper-conservative, classist, racist, laissez-fail advocate shitbag.
He has not an ounce of compassion for the middle and working classes, has publicly stated that he is not concerned with the discrepancy between the salaries of top-paid CEOs and those of average workers, opposes SEC reforms regulating executive pay, is an opponent of the Sarbanes/Oxley act, and started the massive outsourcing of GE's R&D to foreign nations such as India. Many CEOs of the 80s and 90s, with an ally in the staunchly pro-corporate Reagan and Bewsh 41 admins, began to adopt Welch's agenda of rottenness.

Not only that, he was a philanderer (affair with his current wife while still married) and was in the control room of NBC during the 2000 election, DEMANDING their newscasters call the election for Bewsh.

http://makethemaccountable.com/coverup/Part_04.htm

To Welch, although George W. Bush might not be a genius, his policies would encourage those who were geniuses to be even more innovative and productive. Fewer government regulations and lower corporate taxes would create technological advancement, thereby benefiting society more than all of the do-gooder social programs combined ever could. The country would be run for the benefit of the “A” people who achieved great things, not the “C” people who merely existed. In such a laissez faire environment, the powerful would be unshackled to become even more powerful, and no corporation in the world was more powerful than General Electric.

By contrast, Welch viewed Al Gore as the candidate of the parasites. Gore voters were not the generators of wealth; they were the consumers of taxes. Welch privately described the typical Gore voter as “someone who needs all these goddamned social programs because she’s too goddamned dumb to keep her legs crossed and too goddamned lazy to get an abortion.”



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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:48 AM
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17. he's not a Republican in the same sense that Bush, Boehner, and Bachmann are
Nor does he spend all that much time lying. Instead, he pays other people to do it for him, but then maybe even makes a profit from it too.

Funny that Welch thinks that HE generates wealth, whereas I think he is a giant matrix-level parasite. Like a slave owner, he sucks away much of the wealth that the slaves are creating and then tells himself that those slaves wouldn't even have jobs if it wasn't for him.

Also, I would point out that in 1995 12.7 million people got AFDC whereas over 47 million people voted for Clinton, and that was with Perot getting 8 million votes and how many people who get AFDC don't vote?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 01:22 PM
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21. His cusho-retirement package (which he altered) is proof positive your assertion is true.
A giant mosquito sucking the lifeblood out of this economy's well being. And other CEOs followed in his footsteps, making the parasitism much worse.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/09/16/news/companies/welch_wsj/

Yes, there can be NO private wealth without public wealth. He doesn't seem to get that.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 10:39 PM
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3. The mainstream media does not want to call them up on their lies.
Average Joes are too busy working and trying to survive to care. Joe Schmoes are too stupid and are buying into the Republicons' lies. So here we are.....
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 11:32 PM
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6. because enough people in this country support them.
They don't care about the lies; they just care about getting the conservative policies they want.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 11:45 PM
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7. Corporate Media Narrative - Blame Democrats, Give Republicans A Free Pass
Rinse and repeat.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 11:47 PM
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8. I would guess its the same reason Fox News is allowed to Lie..
Because they can...
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 11:52 PM
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9. Because their lies benefit the Corporate Media.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 11:53 PM
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10. Because no one slaps them in the face every time they open their mouths.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:17 AM
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11. We have a winner!
Yep - the only thing bullies respond to is superior force. Unpleasant but true. We need to separate the actual bullies involved from the social and economic mechanisms by which they wield power, then treat them like the bullies they are. The obvious way would be to freeze all their assets, or use the legal system to systematically confiscate them.

It's what we keep waiting for the Dems to do, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that they won't ever get the collective cojones.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:20 AM
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12. Because they are superior beings with superior responsibilities than those the rest of us
live for.

They assume there is a hierarchy of humans and they are above others in that hierarchy and their superior position relative to the rest of us requires commitment to certain superior responsibilities that often necessitate lying "for the greater good".
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 12:22 AM
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13. IOW, because they are Exceptional. nt
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:51 AM
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15. What? Republicans lie? Who says?
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:51 AM
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18. The lies serve the interests of TPTB`
and the corporate media owned by TPTB.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:52 AM
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19. 1) Dont stoop to THEIR level, 2) Be Above all that 3) Deserves NO response
The tweed-hats that keep vomiting that stuff are killing us I say ....

The truth is that our leadership LETS them get away with it every time.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:56 AM
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20. I believe in 1 and 2 but not 3
Simply lying the way Republicans lie serves no purpose, because even if one ignores the moal implications, we simply don't have the megaphones they have to spread their lies. But I definitely support calling them out on their lies, even if no-one gets to hear it. Silence indicates consent.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:40 AM
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25. Think of it in this context .....
A man is standing in a parking lot watching his wife get brutally attacked. He stands there comforting his wife by saying "don't fight back honey" "don't stoop to their level sweetheart" "you must be above all this dear".

So the man keeps comforting his wife until her assailant finally rapes and stabs her to death. Now, he walks away sooooo proud of himself because he did not compromise HIS morals all the way to the end of his wife's life.

I can only say this ..... WAKE UP! We are in a mortal fight with the republicans for the future of our country. The sense of moral supremacy or intellectual pride only serves the one who gets to enjoy its rightousness. It serves nothing else.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:54 AM
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26. But the two situations aren't even remotely comparable
And even in the former case, there is such a concept as reasonable force. If the man shot the attacker in defence of his wife, the law would treat him differently than if he shouted at the attacker, scared him off and then shot him in the back as he was running away.

If, say, MSNBC were to start deliberately lying like Fox News and editing videos like Breitbart in order to frame organisations it disapproved of, what would really be achieved except to bring the whole profession of journalism into disrepute?
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Whiskeytide Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 01:43 PM
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22. This one is simple...
Their base either doesn't mind or dismisses the lie. When they're caught in a lie, its (1)the liberal biased media "hatin' on 'em", (2)a "gotcha" interview, or (3) taken out of context. There are no lies for them - just varying degrees of truth.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 01:47 PM
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23. Because they're bunch of stupid tools who, in a perfect world, would have been "darwined" years ago
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 01:48 PM
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24. Because Conservatives Want Reality to Fit Their WorldView, Not The Other Way Around
Seems to me that this is the case whether they are fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, or both. They have established a world view and seek to make reality fit into that worldview instead of adjusting their worldview to fit reality.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 11:47 AM
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27. Kick!
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