Bristol Palin says her virginity was stolen.

[CTyankee]

If you can stand to watch the interview, it is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/bristol-palin-interview_n_885087.html

It's interesting how Republicans can never seem to take personal responsibility for their actions when they don't have good outcomes. It kinda reminds me of Newt's "explanation" for his committing adultery. It's never a conscious decision. And someone else is always a force in it. And you are just helpless. And you had really good intentions.

And on and on...

[spanone]

1. the palins need a reality show called 'the victims'

fuggem

[roguevalley]

better call the cops. They can PUT OUT an APB and apprehend

the villian. Lord. Two to tango. Unless she was raped she gave it away. I wish they would crawl back under their rock and stay there. This is getting embarrassing and if they are too dim to be embarrassed, I will be for them.

[Jack Rabbit]

118. Even if she isn't governor any more, can she call the Alaska Hwy Patrol?

And waterboard Levi for having consensual sex with a stupid brat?

[neverforget]

78. The could call it ViRUS

Victims R Us

[HockeyMom]

2. Excuse me, but

enlightened women know your viriginity could have been stolen by a tampon. What the hell is the big deal?

[Drale]

7. I think it really depends on what your definition of virginity is

but anyone with the last name of Palin is full of bullshit and the entire family should have their lips stapled shut.

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. So, is she accusing somebody of rape?

I could watch the interview, but no, I can't.

[justiceischeap]

11. Actually she is without saying so... I'll summarize.

She and Levi went camping, she drank so many wine coolers that she passed/blacked out. She woke the next morning not a virgin. She yelled at Levi that he knew she wanted to wait, he said, yeah, I know...sorry. That's, in a nutshell, what is in her book. So, if that account is true, she was raped 'cause she couldn't give consent. Unfortunately for her, 'cause of the laws her Ma enacted in AK, if she reported her rape, nothing would have happened anyway.

[hedgehog]

17. Change her name from Paliin, move the incident to a frat house,

and lots of people here would call it date rape. But if your name is Palin, it's open season on your reputation. It's OK to mock the victim if it's somebody we don't like. :eyes:

[petronius]

47. Exactly right, thank you. It doesn't matter if she had sex with him again,

or if she was on birth control at the time, or if she's a Palin, or anything else. What is described up-thread is (date) rape, and it's not a joking matter or something to excuse or blame on the victim...

[tblue37]

126. Her veracity is highly suspect. nt

[Blue_Tires]

196. Agreed...Not sure why there is even a thread on it

much less why so many DUers believe her...Every interview by a Palin family member is carefully molded and crafted to the last detail to elevate themselves in the public eye while denigrating their supposed enemies (i.e., anyone standing in the way of fleecing suckers of their money)...

[Mendocino]

72. Would a rapist

be invited by the victims family to campaign on the behalf of the victims mother?

:crazy:

[FourScore]

142. I think your remark is so important.

First of all, if this really happened -- and she gave no consent -- then she was raped. Period.

So, my question is...What mother would invite her child's rapist on the campaign trail AND push her daughter into marrying him?

Why did she keep dating him? The whole thing stinks. I don't buy it.

If I were Levi, I'd sue her for slander.

[joeglow3]

151. My wife was raped by a boyfriend and she never told anyone for years

Your assumption is that she was not embarassed and told her mother - two things that evidence shows does not happen all that often.

[FourScore]

153. But Bristol HAS told not only her parents but the whole world.

Maybe she didn't tell her parents about the rape (if that is what she is saying happened) right away, but then when did she tell them?

Is Bristol saying she was raped? Because it sure sounds like it. So what will the Palins do now? Did they just find out about it or did they know when they invited Levi on the campaign trail and encouraged their daughter to marry him?

If they just found out, what sort of charges will they bring against him or will they allow a known rapist to walk free?

If it's not true, will Levi file slander charges for Bristol basically telling the world in a TV interview that he raped his girlfriend while she was drunk?

(I agree that the victim can feel guilty and not tell anyone, and that is sad. Also, I am sorry that it happened to your wife.)

[joeglow3]

154. She is long past it, but it took her years to get over it

Thanks for the concern/regards.

[Jim Lane]

197. Did your wife then get engaged to the guy who raped her?

I agree that date rape occurs and is a serious issue. The flip side, though, is that false accusations of date rape also occur. Support for women's rights doesn't mean we have to believe that no woman ever lies about a sexual encounter.

Palin got engaged to her alleged rapist. Furthermore, her late-surfacing accusation is very convenient for her as she pursues her gig of preaching abstinence to teenagers. If the matter ever came to a trial, both these facts would be admissible in court, and Levi's attorney would be entitled to point to them and urge the jury to disbelieve Palin's story.

[lame54]

106. you believe that story?

[CTyankee]

20. She wasn't slipped a date drug. She willingly drank those wine coolers.

Yes, kids do stupid things like that. And that's why we have "morning after" pills which she could have gotten once she got sober and realized what had happened...

[WatsonT]

42. Imagine if this were someone else

who was raped while passed out.

Do you suppose anyone would be ok with "well she chose to drink . . ." as a defense?

/she was probably begging for it with the way she was dressed too, huh?

[CTyankee]

61. No. Bristol says in the interview that she told Levi she had wanted to "wait" and he did it anyway.

Now, I don't know if that is another dodge, probably so. But still...

Like I said earlier, once she learned of the intercourse, she had a choice of going to a Planned Parenthood clinic and getting Emergency Contraception and within a certain amount of time she could have been protected against an unwanted pregnancy.

Save your lectures for somebody else...

[WatsonT]

63. So she stated clearly that in that scenario she was not giving consent to have sex

he then had sex with her.

And you say that is not rape because she didn't get an abortion immediately after.

Interesting logic.

Be sure to apply it to everyone and not just the kids of politicians you dislike.

/every women who is raped and does not choose to terminate for whatever reason is by your reasoning not a victim.

[LisaL]

66. She didn't get preggo from that initial encounter.

[CTyankee]

67. Well, neither you nor I know what she felt about the pregnancy initially.

My point was that she had an option: Emergency Contraception. NOT abortion. Please do not confuse the two here on DU!

Personally, as a mother of 2 daughters, I think Sarah did a lousy job of educating her daughters on basic medical information on their reproductive systems. That is part of our jobs as parents. Period.

There is also a LOT of information about kids making informed choices about drinking alcohol and that is the job of the parent. Perhaps if Sarah wasn't so busy lecturing other people about their sex lives she would have had time for her own kids sex education!

[WatsonT]

68. None of those statements negate rape

can ignorant people with bad parents not be raped?

Can women who apparently make bad decisions not be raped?

Again I ask: if this were any other woman would people be having this same reaction?

[CTyankee]

70. Neither one of us know the answer to this question, do we?

However, we do know that unprotected sex happened. And that situation can be remedied by Emergency Contraception.

Neither you nor I will know whether this was rape or not rape. She says it wasn't. She says it was "stolen virginity." She makes it look like she was a victim of theft. Her words, not mine.

I suggest you ask HER why she didn't file rape charges against Levi. Don't ask me. I'm fine with him being prosecuted to the full extent of the law if he did rape her. But that didn't happen and it was not in my control NOR was it in yours...so you really don't know, do you?

[WatsonT]

75. Just remember that standard

She didn't press charges = not rape.

[CTyankee]

104. Well, for one thing, IIRC right wingers don't believe in "date rape."

And don't they have different "standards" for rape, anyway?

[WatsonT]

107. So you're a right winger then?

Because the only person here I see excusing away date rape . . .

[CTyankee]

120. Are you just trying to be contentious?

Please find someone else to harangue. I am too damn old to care what you think I am.

[WatsonT]

157. A fair review of this exchange will show that you are the contentious one

you claimed she couldn't have been raped for a variety of reasons like that her mother had the wrong politics, she was drunk, she didn't get an abortion, and so on.

None of those would have been applied to the child of a democrat in a similar situation.

[CTyankee]

158. She said she wasn't raped. As I said, I'm too damn old to debate this with you.

And you know what else? I'm long time tired of debating this with people who don't pick up the stench of the Palins but instead use it for a wedge into a political debate among liberals.

[WatsonT]

175. And there it is

"the stench of the Palins"

This is a political issue to you. She deserved this because of her mother.

If Hitler had had a daughter she could have still been raped, despite her Vater.

I don't want to live in a society where guilt/innocence is based on your family name. You do. On this we will likely never agree.

[Name removed]

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[CTyankee]

121. I don't know where you pulled that from, but please, stuff it back in...

:puke:

[Odin2005]

135. Many rape victims never report being raped.

Either because they think nobody will believe them, or because they think it is their own fault for getting raped. Or, in the case of date rape, the victim often doesn't even understand that they have been raped because their upbringing causes them to place what happened to them under a different label.

[CTyankee]

140. Well,perhaps that is the case with Bristol, or perhaps not...

If it IS the case, then I blame her parents for being woefully inadequate as parents in teaching their daughter about rape. When I worked for Planned Parenthood of CT clinicians would tell me about parents bringing their teen aged daughter for an abortion even tho they were "against abortion." sometimes the girl herself would spout the same thing. And some of the "protestors" came in for their own abortion and then were back outside the clinic with their disgusting signs and bullhorns the next week...

[Withywindle]

168. MANY girls from conservative backgrounds are not taught the truth about rape.

They are not taught that they have a right to say YES, so their NO is treated as meaningless too. They are taught to give into anything a man wants (subliminally if not directly - remember, children learn by MODELING their parents' behavior first and foremost, and by listening to what their parents say secondarily, if at all.) They are taught that they need to be the "gatekeepers" against male desire, and that their own desires shouldn't exist. Therefore, any ambivalence means that they are not truly "good girls" and therefore partially to blame.

Most of all, they are not taught what consent really means.

So yes, her parents are partly to blame. However, that is not a reason to say that fundie girls can't be raped, or that girls from fundie backgrounds that didn't really give them the tools to understand or admit what happene to them can't really be rape.

If a friend of mine when I was a teenager described this experience to me in the same terms that Bristol did, I woul think that she was probably date-raped. If I was a REALLY good friend (as in, I could trust her not to freak out on me over it) I would even say so.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

145. First.

[sabrina 1]

172. Can people lie about things like this?

And if Levi says she's lying should we not believe him because he's a guy, and women, never, ever lie about someone they are angry with, feel rejected by, or for any other reason?

Has Levi confirmed this story, denied it, does what he have to say not matter? And if not, why not?

And frankly there are more important things in this world to be worrying about than this ridiculous family. Is there some reason for us to waste a minute of our time on any of them whether her story is true or not?

I'm sure she'll be just fine without our concern for well-being.

I won't lose sleep over her.

[cui bono]

187. Well Icertainly hope you have someone else teaching your daughters what no means

and what consensual means. Your first point was that since she drank wine coolers she deserved to get fucked while passed out. Is that what you tell your daughters? I'm shocked you are female. Seriously.

[lumberjack_jeff]

119. She changed her mind after getting drunk.

Then she changed it back when she sobered up.

[joeglow3]

152. Holy shit, I hope you don't/didn't teach you kids that shit

Let your daughters know that if they get drunk, it is there fault if they get plowed by a train of guy friends.

Jesus, some people flat out scare me.

[ProfessorGAC]

103. Went Way Around The Bend On That One

Sorry, but somehow i doubt the sincerity of a post willing to take the point to such extremes.
GAC

[Javaman]

124. wrong spot. nt

[LynneSin]

183. Look I understand where you are coming from but answer me this

Here is a girl who waited 3 years to come out about this and of all places in a 'memoirs' book.

That's a serious accusation she made - she has accused Levi Johnson of date rape. You're telling me that in the 3 years since this all happened not once did she go to the police. Hell her mom use to be the governor of the damn state, you'd think she'd have Levi's ass hauled off to jail not to the RNC convention. Oh and don't forget that a year ago they got back together again.

There is something seriously fucked up with that family. To me, she's using this to sell books especially since I am suspecting it's a big lie. There was enough press about Bristol's hard partying ways and suddenly she reinvents herself as this tea-totaling innocent girl.

Personally I call bullshit

[Hippo_Tron]

56. There's a difference between getting drunk and having sex you didn't intend to

And passing out and somebody sticking their dick in you. I'll even contend that if your tolerance is high enough, it's possible that you could be blackout drunk and as far as the other person can tell, you are acting in a manner that suggests consent. But if you're literally passed out, it's not sex, it's rape (unless you've given them clear prior indication that you're okay with them having sex with you while you're asleep).

[Odin2005]

112. Doesn't matter, you can't consent if you're passed out. It;s rape.

[cui bono]

186. So willingly drinking wine coolers is now consenting to sex?!?!

Yeah, don't worry about it if a guy fucks you while you're passed out, you can just take a pill in the morning and it'll all be fine. No reason to bring rape into it. Sheesh. How thoughtless can you be?

Rape is not something stupid that kids just do. Rape is an assault.

:grr:

[XemaSab]

26. And then she proceeded to bang the guy how many more times?

Sorry, no sympathy here.

[RamboLiberal]

55. And she was on the pill - but apparently screwed up taking it

Now her mother's supporters are paying her over $300,000 to tell them "do as I say, not as I did".

[lapislzi]

193. How is that relevant?

I'm the last person to jump to the defense of a Palin, and I'm not even saying I believe her account. They're all liars.

But, each sexual encounter must be debated on its own merits. That's how rape can exist in marriage. Just because I agreed to have sex with you once, doesn't mean I will agree again. You have to ask me each time, and each time I have to consent (unless I ask you, of course). If I've passed out from drunkenness, I can't agree. If you have sex with me anyway, you're raping me. The default position is always "no."

And, maybe in the bizarro Palin world, I agree to have sex with you 1,000 more times. It doesn't change the fact that you raped me when I was not in a competent state of mind.

[Schema Thing]

53. she didn't say she blacked out, at least not in that interview. She also explicitly

says that she is NOT accusing Levi of date-rape.

[justiceischeap]

54. As I said in my original thread I was paraphrasing from her book

Us Weekly published blips from Bristol Palin's new biography this weekend, which describes in not-so-flattering detail the former V.P. candidate's daughter's coital relationship with baby daddy Levi Johnston. From the excerpts of "Not Afraid of Life: My Journey So Far":

The 20-year-old single mom reveals that, while drunk for the very first time, she lost her virginity to Levi Johnston during a camping trip.

Palin says she woke up alone in her tent, with no recollection as to what happened. Johnston, meanwhile, "talked with his friends on the other side of the canvas."

http://www.salon.com/books/2011/06/21/bristol_palin_my_journey_so_far_rape

[Raksha]

83. Wonder what the wingnuts would have to say about that scenario

if Bristol Palin were a liberal, or worse yet from their POV--a black girl. It's the right-wing "Christian" regressives who are trying to pass laws defining "rape" as forcible rape ONLY, not date rape or statutory rape.

[CTyankee]

22. I don't blame you. I couldn't make it thru the entire interview...

[Safetykitten]

85. Well let's not be coy Bristy. You were raped or not.

[FourScore]

144. Exactly. someone needs to ask her point blank if she is accusing Levi of rape or not.

Sure sounds like she is.

[CTyankee]

161. I think that is a good idea! Why doesn't someone in the media do it?

nt

[smirkymonkey]

4. Um, yeah, right Bristol. Whatever you say.

:rofl:

[lunatica]

5. I think she just dropped it somewhere and can't remember where it is

[Scurrilous]

15. She should check behind the refrigerator.

I accidentally drop things back there all the time.

[kenny blankenship]

28. It's also possible she put it on the curb

where any person passing by might believe it was just being discarded.

[Electric Monk]

6. Over, and over, and over

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. and no charges were filed against the perpetrator?

:wtf:

This is certainly a new wrinkle to an old story.

[Odin2005]

114. RW morals, they probably told her it was her fault for getting date-raped.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

176. Oh yeah, right

Why do I keep making the mistake that most Republican politicians (or at least Sarah Palin and her husband) are sane, rational beings? :banghead:

[provis99]

9. the essential definition of the psychopath.

Refusal to take responsibility for anything they do. She's her mother's daughter for sure.

[Mimosa]

38. ^ Amen! ^ US has such a stupid anti-sex culture

Bristol dear, things happen. Life goes on.

What a dumb B.

[Cleita]

10. Was it worth anything?

That family is nothing but trash. There wasn't anything worthwhile to steal IMHO.

[Greybnk48]

12. Did he steal her sobriety too?? She should bend down and

kiss Levi's feet every chance she has for providing her with a career talking about getting laid and pregnant in high school, like it's something special. What about the months he lived at the Palin house and slept in her bedroom? These people are effing nuts.

[awoke_in_2003]

44. "She should bend down and kiss Levi's feet"...

I cannot stomach the Palin's one iota. That being said, if what she says is true then it is rape. Just because a woman gets drunk doesn't mean she deserves rape or should kiss the rapist's feet.

[Schema Thing]

52. uh, no it isn't.

she doesn't accuse him of rape. She explicitly says that she is not saying she was raped.

[awoke_in_2003]

89. when you screw a woman...

without her knowledge and consent, it is rape.

[coalition_unwilling]

99. Just because she's too ignorant to understand that she was raped does

not mean that she was not raped.

If she drank enough alcohol, she was physically incapable of granting consent. That's rape, no matter how you slice it. Sorry, date rape is rape.

And, if it happened as she alleged, her ignorance and family sliminess notwithstanding, all right-thinking folks on DU should be condemning what happened to her, not joking about it. For Christ's sake.

[awoke_in_2003]

148. they ugly has really appeared...

in this thread, hasn't it?

[coalition_unwilling]

166. To paraphrase, rape is OK as long as it happens to our

political opponents (or their progeny). In keeping with all the prison rape jokes I constantly see and read here for Repuke convicts.

Really fucking disgusting.

[awoke_in_2003]

177. Yep, those aren't funny either...

my sister was raped in college. She was out of town at a track meet, and when it was over they did what college kids do- drink. She was raped by the male star of the team, but nothing was done- the college brought up the fact that because she was drinking she stood to lose her scholarship. Was she stupid to get drunk- yes. But it in no ways excuses what happened. I was in Ohio when this happened, and have never found out the guys name. It has been 20 years, but if I ever find out, justice will be served.

[Greybnk48]

115. Let me add that, first, I know what constitutes rape but

thanks for the lecture. And second, Bristol Palin is clearly a liar. That's the point I was making. The woman is a liar like her mother. And just in case someone wants to teach me not to take the man's side and how that's been done historically, I am not siding with Levi J. I don't care about Levi J., etc. My point is that Levi did not force himself on her which was evident by their relationship in the past, and now she's saying that to sell books. A liar and an opportunist like her mother.

[Odin2005]

136. Rape victims always get called liars, what else is new?

[awoke_in_2003]

137. oh, she had it coming...

doncha know :sarcasm:

[patrice]

13. Google: Attribution Error. It's a very reliable psychological phenomenon, such that . . .

The weaknesses and faults of others are always ascribed to their permanent personality liabilities and . . .

One's own weaknesses and faults are always ascribed to temporary/transient situational factors.

[hamsterjill]

14. Liar! Liar! Pants on Fire!

n/t

[Amerigo Vespucci]

16. Levi & Bristol, 50-50.

I'm sorry, I haven't seen Levi and Bristol as any "better" or "worse" than the other.

I don't think he "stole" a single thing from her, including her virginity.

He's not a hero, he's not a villain. Period.

[Gman]

18. Levi Johnston says, "LOL! Yeah, right!"

[DainBramaged]

19. Another thread for the hidden list

[damntexdem]

21. But virginity causes cancer. She's been vaccinated.

See, no fault -- no harm, no foul. Just a medical procedure.

;-)

[Occulus]

24. .

:spray:

Really?

:rofl:

[jberryhill]

23. I found one in the couch cushions a while back

Can she identify it?

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. She should have kept it in a box.

[Cass]

27. Yeah, ok. And she kept right on doing it after that.

:eyes:

I can't stand the whole lot of them. They're like some warped mean girl junior high cafeteria click. Even the youngest daughter has the same nasty streak in her.

[Beaverhausen]

29. Her son will have a lot of issues to deal with when he grows up

First, mom makes tons of money spreading the word about how awful it is to be his mom, now she accuses dad of raping her.

What a wonderful mother she is!

[Eddie Haskell]

30. The devil did it!

:evilgrin:

[Contrary1]

31. My virginity was "stolen" too.

Oh, wait.

:rofl:

[gkhouston]

141. Mine was mis-laid.

I should have asked for references.

[Lizzie Poppet]

32. This is why it's so important to keep the oil companies out of Bristol Bay.

It's the only thing in Alaska named Bristol that hasn't been drilled repeatedly.

[JoePhilly]

33. I have to call BULLS**T

I sat through that sad interview.

And while I am 47 now, I was once 17.

And the idea that her virginity was "stolen" is nonsense.

The worst thing is that she is acting as if a 17 year old girl, who is taking birth control bills, is NOT in control of here own sexual activity.

How does a girl who is taking Birth control pills NOT know what she's doing????

I'm sorry ... back in the 80s, when I was a teen, this nonsense would not pass. Now, in 2011, this is her argument???

Oh ... and if this was such a terrible sexual experience ... and she was taken advantage of by a bad guy ... why was she going to marry him?

And the father of her child is a "gnat" ... classy.

I'm sorry ... I really don;t want to know about this stuff ... but because her insane mother might influence the outcome of the next few elections, I really have no choice.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. Really? She was on birth control? How is it that a girl not having sex

and not explaining that she took them for menstrual pain, a virgin?

[JoePhilly]

43. In the interview, she says she was taking them ...

and then says something like ... "but clearly not effectively".

Back in the 80s, my girlfriend was on the pill, I wore a condom, and I pulled out too.

That approach is not rocket science.

But even if that had failed ... my girlfriend was in on the plan. She and I made these decisions. And that was 30 years ago.

To claim her virginity was stolen in the manner she describes, honestly, demeans young women who make their own decisions.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

76. Yes, and many women like myself may take birth control to help with menstrual pain

and/or to control acne. But I've never heard of a virgin who is supposedly waiting until marriage taking birth control for any other reason.

These people are a fraud!!

[Javaman]

188. My two cents.

while taking birth control may help with menstrual pain, bristol's comment of, "but clearly not effectively", shows she wasn't taking it solely for menstrual pain. She know what it does and why one takes it.

The effects it has on menstrual pain, is not it's intended purpose but a good side effect.

She clearly was using it for birth control.

And frankly, I honestly believe that while I think failin quitter is a complete and utter halfwit, I do believe that she is a gigantic hypocrite and gave the "talk" to her daughter regarding birth control. I have always been of the belief that failin quitters "abstinence only" was nothing more than a political ploy.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

57. I thought that having access to (or actually taking) birth control

ENCOURAGES young pure Christian boys and girls to have sex- just like why getting the HPV vaccine should be disallowed for teenage girls for the same reason. :banghead: :crazy: :puke:

What the hell was Mrs. "Family Values" Sarah Palin doing allowing her chaste and pure daughter to have access to..........the pill???? I wonder if she ever had problems finding pharmacies- not stacked with "Pharmacists of life"- willing to fill it?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

77. And now you have this concerted effort to ban even birth control!!

Again, these people are a sham and people are being duped by them!!!

[Hugabear]

181. So as long as she's on birth control, it's not rape - is that correct?

If a teenage girl is on birth control, then doesn't matter if she gets drunk, passes out, and the guy has sex with her while she's passed out. By the very act of taking birth control, she's given defacto permission for him to fuck her whenever he damned well pleases, right?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. So, is she subtly accusing someone of rape? n/t

[Javaman]

189. no, that would open her up to slander.

They want Levi to go away. Well, failin quitter wants Levi to go away.

Frankly, I believe that Bristol still loves him but mommy dearest is in the way.

mommy dearest wants bristol to "marry up" and not at her level.

[Happyhippychick]

35. Bristol Palin = Media Whore = Sarah Palin

[Javaman]

190. Frankly, I have always thought she was dragged into the grifter life...

I honestly think she thought she could get out by getting pregnant and marrying Levi, but in swooped the grifter in charge to put the kibosh on that when she was picked for vp.

I then think she was read the riot act by mommy dearest in no uncertain terms. "you want to live like the trash around here? or do you want money?", etc.

I really don't believe Bristol had much of a choice. I think she's probably a very easily lead person. Easily lead via fear.

I suspect a tell all book in about 20 years. At that point failin quitter will have lost her charm and looks. She will be the has been nut still trying to look young and make money trying to appear informed. When what little "clout" or "influence" she once had will be nothing more than a shimmering vale of loss.

[formercia]

37. Will the person who stole Bristol's Virginity, please return it.

It has only sentimental value, save the 5 cent deposit. Pop the Can and it's History.

[Enrique]

39. the liberal gotcha media stole my virginity! n/t

[Mimosa]

40. The young grifter even had plastic surgery to help with her career

*puke*

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b240355_top_plastic_surgeon_dissects_bristol.html

[Javaman]

191. I think she gave over to the dark force.

I recall her promoting birth control until mommy dearest, read her the riot act. Then suddenly her message was "abstinence only".

I think she lives in fear of her mother. I think she's playing along until she gets her opportunity to jump ship.

as I said above thread, Bristol will come out with a scathing tell all in about 20 years.

[chrisa]

41. Don't care. The news' focus on this is a little creepy.

[cherokeeprogressive]

64. Nonsense. Obsession with all things Palin is completely healthy.

Witness DU.

[CTyankee]

105. It is if we focus on the hypocrisy and the grifter greed of the Palins.

Not that both vices are anything new, but it is a good thing when these people are revealed to be what they really are, not what they tout that they are, while moralizing to the rest of us about "family values."

I'm sorry, but I've had it up to here with these people. They deserve being exposed and excoriated every chance we can get...

[MilesColtrane]

87. In all fairness to the media, she didn't have to include the skeevy details in her book.

But, then again, it wouldn't sell as well if she omitted the story.

Now that's creepy.

[Posteritatis]

101. To say nothing of this site's focus on it... (nt)

[edbermac]

45. Sounds like petty larceny to me.

:sarcasm:

[JuniperLea]

46. She was careless and left it laying around...

that's the only way to have it stolen without being raped... and it's way too late to try that card.

[Generic Other]

48. Hey Bristol, I found your vriginity over here!

It was lying by the driven snow.

[Rex]

49. Well that is kinda the difference between humans and sub-humans.

[Fleshdancer]

50. Taking her at her word, I can't help but wonder....

Was she then pressured by her family to become engaged to her rapist for the sake of her mother's political campaign?

[Hippo_Tron]

59. That wouldn't make any sense

If it were actually rape then why wouldn't they present it as rape? It would absolve her of any wrongdoing.

[Fleshdancer]

123. Good point.

If her story is true, then one thing I do know is that Alaska needs better sex education. She clearly describes date rape without acknowledging that it was date rape and this is sad and somewhat alarming.

[Javaman]

192. +1

lack of sex ed across the board is very alarming.

frankly, aside from the repukes fear of anything sexual in nature, I think the male portion of the repuke power control wants to do away with sex ed because then women will be educated about their rights and would be more vocal in regards to date rape.

[backscatter712]

51. As Bill Maher said, the shit doesn't fall far from the bat... n/t

[Mz Pip]

58. And after it was "stolen"

she decided to just keep giving herself to the guy that stole it, over and over again.

Gag me with a spoon.

[yurbud]

69. there is weird stuff that goes on around date rape. I've had my college students write a paper on

it for years.

One time a football player said casually, ''Yeah, I date raped a girl.''

''Really?'' I said. I wasn't that surprised since girls had written about being victims without me asking them to, but then he said,

''Oh yeah, ask my girlfriend.''

She was sitting right next to him and nodded in agreement as if they were talking about a favorite movie or something.

Most people are inarticulate about what they want, and confuse sex and love. I could see a girl who felt neutral to positive about a guy, being raped in that situation, and not having the concept of date rape in her head, thinking the sex and drama of it must mean they are in love. It definitely happens with drama, so it's only a variation of that.

[Mz Pip]

88. When my sons were in high school

I told them, 'Yes doesn't always really mean yes." I agree about the confusion and it was certainly my experience as a young woman of agreeing to things that was maybe not really a "Yes." It is complicated and certainly difficult to be completely clear about.

But does going along with something that you may have mixed feelings about equate to being raped? Unwilling is one thing; ambivalent is another.

[yurbud]

96. I have talked to college kids about this for over a decade, and girls responses are often scary

one girl said, ''What if I can't decide?''

In the time that she is still considering it, the guy will finish.

A lot of women seem to have a deer in the headlights reaction in those situations, which makes it easy for guys of minimal conscience to get what they want.

[Liquorice]

93. Yes it's true. Many people don't fully understand the

weirdness and confusion associated with date rape. For instance, there is the date rape that starts out forcible and ends up with the young woman "giving in" and going along with it. Some people don't even consider that rape because it only started out forcibly. There are all kinds of other scenarios in which a young woman, especially a teenager, might believe it isn't rape because she got drunk, willingly went into a room with the guy, made out with him before, etc., etc.

What happened to Bristol is one of those confusing scenarios that happen to many young women all the time. I don't get why people are being so critical of her telling her story. I guess it's because her mom is Sarah Palin, and therefore Bristol is a terrible liar and could never be date raped. I think writing about it was probably cathartic for Bristol. I also think Levi Johnston is a real scumbag and probably a psychopath.

[yurbud]

95. her case actually sounds pretty clear cut. Levi was just lucky she didn't press charges

[Liquorice]

100. Yes it is, but not to Bristol. She seems to think it

was her fault, according to her statements about it. She's quite confused, even to this day, about what happened to her.

"I'm not accusing Levi of date rape," Bristol Palin said Monday... She's referring to her desciption of how she lost her virginity: She and Levi drank ("girly flavored") wine coolers. They retired to a tent. She woke up not remembering a thing and didn't realize what had happened until she heard Levi bragging to his friends. "I should have never been underage drinking," says Bristol, "and I should have never gotten myself into a situation like that."

http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/celebrities/124633094.html

[yurbud]

156. she doesn't realize BOTH can be true: she made stupid mistakes AND she was date raped

But the first does not in any way excuse the second.

A girl would be foolish to walk into a biker bar wearing nothing but a thong and NOT expect to get raped, but that would not in any way excuse the guys who did it.

[Blue_In_AK]

98. Or it could mean that the young man thinks he's in love, also.

When things don't work out, it's easy to blame the boy. And I say that as the mother of three girls.

[Blue_In_AK]

97. It wasn't "stolen,"

at least not according to local knowledge. Bristol is trying to remake herself, even down to the plastic surgery.

[uppityperson]

60. If she was passed out drunk, or even drunk, she couldn't give legal consent

I don't care if they had consensual sex later, still, being drunk, she was not legally capable of giving consent.

For those who will now snark about having sex while drunk with their partner, even that, while common, isn't legal. Take it as a warning and mock me, fine. But understand that you can't LEGALLY consent when drunk.

That said, I am tired of the Palins.

[LisaL]

62. Well considering both of them could have been drunk.

So lock the two of them up.
:sarcasm:

[CTyankee]

65. I get that and I'm fine with it. But the Palins make it their business to lecture other people

on their decisions and their behavior. If you can't or didn't model the behavior you are lecturing other people about, then you have no business doing it, IMHO. Just STFU.

Sarah offered her family as one that was raised on Republican Traditional Family Values. Her daughter's teenage pregnancy, public as it was, was fair game in terms of what the Repubs SAY and what they DO.

Perhaps if Sarah Palin had given Bristol adequate medical information about basic reproductive issues and sexuality, this would not have happened. But it did. That is not my fault. And I resent having it re-tooled to be a cop-out by Bristol Palin.

[uppityperson]

74. Yup. eom

[Xithras]

71. And if he was drunk, neither could he.

They raped each other. Great.

[uppityperson]

73. Legally, either could say rape. Aren't legalities fun?

Realistically is a different matter, but legally, yes.

[WatsonT]

81. That's not typically how it works out in a trial

[WatsonT]

80. Apparently due to her choice in mothers she cannot be raped

[Odin2005]

134. It's nuts. The misogyny on DU is awful.

[jmowreader]

79. Considering who we're talking about...

I would not be surprised to find out she was stone sober when she lost her virginity, but "my boyfriend got me drunk and talked me into having sex with him" sells a lot better than "I was horny and he was hot, so my clothes just fell off for some reason" in her line of work.

If he DID get her drunk and fuck her against her will, that's date rape but she's claiming it wasn't like that...I dunno, maybe she knows if she can prove she was date raped her mother (who, at this point in time, has to have a serious case of the ass against Levi Johnston) would send the Alaska State Police around to throw him in jail for statutory rape--last I checked there's no statute of limitations on felonies.

[Sheepshank]

82. Errrrr where was Mama Palin wher her hormonal teen

was 'camping' with a hormonal male teen? Seriously, she thought that letting them go camping was a grand idea?

[scheming daemons]

84. Bet she lost it on the couch.... I'm always losing things on and in the couch.

;-)

[Angry Dragon]

86. Too many unanswered questions.........let's let it play out

[astral]

90. if you (all) hate her so much, why are you on this like flies on shit? NT

[LisaL]

91. That makes no sense whatsoever.

Are we only supposed to discuss people we love?

[Book Lover]

92. It was. She was raped. (nm)

[RaleighNCDUer]

128. Or, she is lying. Like a typical republican she doesn't want to take

responsibility for her own action (extra-marital sex) so she claims she just doesn't remember it - but then realizes that means he raped her, and she doesn't want him going to jail, so she says 'but it wasn't date-rape'.

i believe she was raped about as much as I believe that was the first time she ever drank.

[Frank Cannon]

174. That's really it. She needs to either accuse Levi of rape or STFU.

What she describes is clearly rape. If things really happened the way she describes, her ex-boyfriend needs to be stamping license plates behind bars. But I strongly suspect that this is just her way of playing the innocent victim instead of the high school girl who couldn't keep her legs shut.

[Nossida]

94. Oh Christ

Why is the entire Damned World
plagued with your Sex Life History?

Obviously she lost her modesty and
sense of dignity at the same time
as her virginity. If she ever had
it. These people are sick.

[Lord Helmet]

102. snrk

[cbdo2007]

108. The only thing "stolen" is Levi's right to have been a typical teenager....

getting drunk and having sex in a tent without being blamed for practically raping his girlfriend.

Bristol knew what she was getting into and the potential ramifications. Levi just thought he was hooking up with his girlfriend, not that she was going to turn on him and try to use her virginity against him to further her own causes.

Rarely have I felt sorry for either of them in this whole debacle, but I actually really feel bad for Levi now with her saying this. For her to imply any sort of mischiefness on his part in their tent hook up will forever scar his credibility (whatever of it he had left). It's different for him to make himself out to be an asshole, than for her to start hurling metaphorical accusations.

[lib2DaBone]

109. bristol honey.. put your bible between your knees and hold it there.

It's called "Birth Control".. works every time.

[Ganja Ninja]

110. Yeah yeah, sure sure, whatever.

Her virginity was stolen. Did she get pregnant on the first try? How many times did Levi have to return to the scene of the crime before she got knocked up?
:smoke:

[Odin2005]

111. Bashing a victim of date rape. Stay Classy, DU.

:eyes:

[Ganja Ninja]

116. We only have her word for that.

And why would she lie? :shrug:

Certainly not because she's trying to promote herself as some sort of good christian girl that made one mistake just once.

And I'm sure she's only writing her memoir now so others can learn from her experience, not solely for profit.

There's no history of grifting in her family is there?

[Odin2005]

130. So you are attacking the daughter because the mother is a RW nitwit?

[Ganja Ninja]

138. How about because ...

She's trying to promote herself as some sort of good christian girl that made one mistake just once at the expense and reputation of the then underage boy she was involved with so she can sell her memoir (written at age what? 20, 21, 22?) solely for profit.

And please go right ahead and call me cynical because that was her one and only sexual encounter with Levi because she got pregnant the first time out. If you believe that then you should go buy her book.

[brooklynite]

143. Don't forget, the RW nitwit brought the rapist onstage at the Republican Convention...

...and on the campaign trail to show off her "family values".

[cbdo2007]

117. Bristol or Levi?

[Odin2005]

131. Bristol.

If Levi was screwing her he certainly couldn't have been passed out.

[cbdo2007]

150. Oh, I didn't know you witnessed it.

Did you get it on video too??

How do you know she passed out before or during the sex and not 5 seconds afterward like everyone else in the world?

[WolverineDG]

122. Bit late in the game to start crying "rape" now nt

[Odin2005]

133. She seems to not even realize it was rape, hence her calling it "having her virginity stolen".

A lot of people, especially in the more backward and socially conservative parts of the country still don't understand what date rape is and that it IS rape. Bristol was raised to blame herself for being "immoral".

[WolverineDG]

155. It's been, what? three years & only NOW is she making these statements

Plus she's not exactly on good terms with Levi.

There are legitimate reasons for people to question allegations of date rape, especially those made long after it allegedly occurred, after the "victim" willingly got herself drunk on wine coolers, after she had a baby, AND after she was engaged, TWICE, to her alleged attacker.

I call bullshit on this one.

dg

[Javaman]

125. Meh, she was also the one that stated that she was for birth control

until mommy dearest told her to shut the fuck up and promote abstinence.

That's working out well...after the fact.

The evolving and ever changing views and excuses of the failin quitter clan are a wonder to behold.

It also seems to me that she and Levi actually loved each other and tried to get back together, but once again, mommy dearest stepped in to squash that. (there was a very weird jealousy vibe going on there between mommy dearest and Levi, but that's just me).

and poor little bristol cream, the silly putty of the failin quitter family, was then faced with making some hard choices. Gravy train or reality?

what really happened we will probably never know. Levi is just as suspect as are the failin quitter fools. another uneducated clod with no real ability or talent out to do anything he can to make a buck.

Sadly, this young woman, who has a domineering control freak sociopathic grifter mother, has cashed in her identity and any remaining ounce of credibility when she traded love for faux fame.

When you get down to it, what is bristol cream famous for? being the daughter of a colossally failed politician who got knocked up at the wrong time which forced her crazy mother to go into for profit damage control.

I knew the bristol cream had forsaken any concept of reality when she started her crazy ass abstinence tour, followed by dancing with the stars, then continuing with a "memoir" which is nothing more than self promotion for the sake of such.

We live in the era of the uneducated faux celebrity. Making money off of peoples unquenched desire for gossip.

I feel sorry for bristol cream, she will never ever have a life of her own. That is until her mother croaks or disowns her.

She jumped into the fish bowl of celebrity.

But instead of gold fish, she saw that they were sharks.

[xphile]

127. Bristol Palin, like the rest of her idiot family, is full of shit.

She says she wasn't raped but her virginity was stolen. If she wasn't raped, she gave it away and it wasn't stolen. If it was stolen it was rape but she says it wasn't. Someone is trying to have her cake and eat it too.

I call bullshit on her story.

[Atman]

129. I thought I saw someone fencing it on E-Bay.

The bids were up to a buck-three-eighty.

.

[KamaAina]

132. That would only qualify as petty larceny

:P

[tpsbmam]

139. The fact is none of us were there. Another known fact

is Bristol Palin repeatedly changing her story about a number of issues and getting caught in lies. So I'm withholding judgment on this one. If she's telling the truth, it's rape. If she's not, she's the slime I've always thought she is. Oh hell, she's scuzzy no matter what the story, but I'll pass on this incident since neither she nor Levi can be trusted so who the hell knows what the truth is.

[StarburstClock]

146. She and all other GOPathological liars are incapable of truth

They're also incapable of obeying laws, having a conscience and learning. Sadly, most people don't even believe it and continue to play a false two-sided political paradigm game.

[Nickigrace]

147. As someone who was date raped as a teenager and only got

trichimonis as opposed to becoming pregnant, I can assure you I never wanted ANYTHING to do with the man who did it to me. In fact, when he showed up to my 18th birthday party he was not so gently escorted out by a couple male friends. I'm not going to doubt her story but why on earth did she stay with him? And how horrible are her parents that they brought her rapist to a Presidential convention and announced she was going to marry her rapist? Sick, sick people.

[Liquorice]

164. People react in all different ways to date rape. Some women go into denial

and would rather blame themselves than see themselves as a victim of rape. Some women will try to convince themselves that they really did want to have sex also so they don't have to feel like a victim. In that case, the woman will be more likely stay with her attacker. There are many different valid responses to date rape.

[taught_me_patience]

149. If it happened as Bristol described it, it was rape.

But there are red flags that suggest she's lying. First, it's hard to imagine her getting drunk enough on wine coolers to black out.

[CTyankee]

160. Look, this isn't the problem here. The problem is the cover up that the Palins put on this thing.

If it was date rape then it was covered up with the story that followed the pregnancy. Whatever it was, it was all a whitewash of the Palin family values, that touted one thing and then tried to sanctify the other.

Have we NOT had enough of this sanctimony? Have we NOT had enough of these grifters making judgments on our morals?

Please, these people are not just grifters, they are parasites to the body politic, siphoning off money from the true believers and getting valuable airtime that could be devote to better educated candidates and speakser...

I'm just so SICK of the Palins and their con job on the American people. I want to throw up...

[TNLib]

159. so Sarah Palin wanted her daughter to marry a man that raped her? Great Parenting!

nt

[CTyankee]

163. I agree! Why aren't we debating this?

[B Calm]

162. Hey Joe, Virgin, only once. . . !

[B Calm]

165. That's what a Naples prostitute once said to me. . .

[JonLP24]

167. Don't know what to believe

Levi Johnston's attorney disputes Bristol Palin's virginity claims

<snip>
Alaska laws says that "an offender commits the crime of sexual assault in the first degree if...the offender engages in sexual penetration with a person who the offender knows is unaware that a sexual act is being committed." (This part is important, I clicked on the link the article has, there is nothing in the state law of one of participants is drunk only that the "offender knows is unaware". Sexual assault in the first degree is rape)

<snip>

What Bristol's mother, Sarah, thinks of all this is unclear. So far she has only Tweeted, as is her style. Sarah's Twitter message said this:

"Bristol's Book: Shocking; Refreshing; Honest; INSPIRING! Perfect. Plus 'Not Afraid of Life' gives insight into how media can drive false narrative. Spot on! (& she's courageous to write what she wrote, warning about decisions/consequences in encouraging way, esp for teens!)" (If what she says is true her mom is going about it completely the wrong way)

It is unclear as what "shocking" references, or whether Sarah thinks Bristol's suggestion that losing ones virginity while being passed out drunk (or at least so drunk you've forgotten the evening) is part of a "warning about decisions/consequences in encouraging way, esp. for teens!"

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/levi-johnstons-attorney-disputes-bristol-palins-virginity-claims

[Withywindle]

169. This thread is fucking appalling.

How many people here who are dismissing or mocking her story based on the fact that she's Sarah Palin's daughter, would be bringing out the metaphorical (or literal) shotgun if the exact same thing happened to YOUR daughter?


And I guess there's a vanishingly small number of people here who don't even get that date-rape is not about whose daughter it happens to, it should never happen to ANY young woman--for her own sake, not for the flaws or virtues of who her parents are.

[Supply Side Jesus]

171. there's one born every minute

enable the liar, go ahead.

[6000eliot]

173. These people are grifters and pathological liars trying to cash in.

I don't believe a word that anyone named Palin says.

[Odin2005]

180. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000

:applause:

[Major Hogwash]

170. Oh muh gawd, somebody call the po-lice! I have had my virginity stolen from me!!

I do not remember laying down and giving it away.

LoL

[B Calm]

179. LOL. . . Just as crazy as her mom, she is something else!

[Generic Other]

178. Virgin's Remorse -- She's the new poster girl

[lumberjack_jeff]

182. She wasn't raped.

Her actions in subsequent years (and those of her family) make that claim unbelievable - particularly since she isn't the one making it.

This is a piece of fucked up "I'm a good person and sex is bad, therefore I couldn't have consented to it. I must be remembering wrong." revisionism, combined with infantilizing stereotypes of a damsel in distress who is perpetually incapable of making decisions on her own.

They call themselves the party of personal responsibility, yet are utterly incapable of taking responsibility for bad decisions. We call ourselves believers in equality, yet can't entertain the idea that a woman can make bad decisions all on her own - there must be some man around onto whom the fault can be transferred.

Good OP.

[LynneSin]

184. If you tell the lie enough times eventually it becomes the truth in their reality

The Palins have been rehashing that story again and again and again so many times and each time it's revised just a little bit to the point now she's claiming date rape.

What I don't get is that in 3 years since this story landed in the media that not ONCE this issue was addressed with the family and dealt with accordingly. I mean if my mother found out that some boy gave me alcohol and then proceeded to have unsolicited sex with me - she would NOT be dragging him off to the RNC convention to showcase what a happy couple we are.

[gkhouston]

185. Did she say who stole her brains? n/t

[WI_DEM]

194. maybe he can give it back to her?

[Blue_Tires]

195. Things also missing from the Palin family: Honor, class, integrity

A capacity for truth, modesty, and intelligence...


Things missing from this thread: A bullshit detector...

[Seedersandleechers]

Palin says she woke up alone in her tent, with no recollection as to what happened.

If she can't remember what happened how does she know it wasn't consensual.

[Seedersandleechers]

198. Palin says she woke up alone in her tent, with no recollection as to what happened.

If she can't remember what happened how does she know it wasn't consensual.

[Blue-Jay]

199. Probably wasn't worth much, so it's likely a misdemeanor and not a felony theft.

[HipChick]

200. Is that why she posted on her Myspace "I'm a slut" and was sleeping around at 14/15yrs..

with another boy..previous to Levi? Not sure how virginity can be stolen twice? :shrug:

[CTyankee]

201. That is just sad...

[GoneOffShore]

202. Sometimes ignoring bright shiny things is good.

Look -

Squirrel!

[fascisthunter]

203. Along with her Brain Apparently

so Bristol has no control over her body at all... puhlease

[SoapBox]

204. Another bad joke on America from the CrazyPalin family

...what a laugh.

So Mama never told you to keep your legs closed?

Or take a stand on "No Glove, No LOVE!"?

This family makes me sick to my stomach.