A truly ROTTEN guy seeks to justify rape

[ImNotTed]

Mary E. Williams writes in Salon today:

It's a good rule of thumb that when a writer says something like "obviously we shouldn't blame the victims," he's about to say something that completely contradicts that notion. Likewise, when Philadelphia's Broad Street Review editor in chief Dan Rottenberg wrote this month that "Women today are technically free to do all sorts of things that were forbidden to their grandmothers, which is all well and good," what else could possibly have followed but a tawdry screed of victim-blaming? And what happened next has blossomed into a durable dialogue in the Philadelphia press -- and provided the inspiration for a provocatively titled new play.

It began as an editor's response to an earlier story in the BSR, an online arts publication, about "Male sex abuse and the silence of women," in which writer Sarakay Smullens wrote about the need for women to "speak up" about sexual abuse, and mentioned, among other things, Lara Logan's brutal assault in Egypt last winter. Rottenberg's piece, in contrast, features a photo of a glamorous Logan in a low-cut dress with the caption, "What message was the TV journalist Lara Logan sending here?" Oh, wait, I know this one. Was it, go ahead and rape me at some later date, angry mob?

He then goes on, I kid you not, to devote a whole subhed of his story to "Logan’s cleavage," and note, "I can’t help thinking that women also need to take sensible precautions before they’re victimized …. if you want to be taken seriously as a journalist, don't pose for pictures that emphasize your cleavage." And then it gets worse. He advises women flatly, "Don’t trust your male friends. Don’t go to a man’s home at night unless you’re prepared to have sex with him. " He explains, "Rape and the notion of sexual conquest persist for the same reason that warfare persists: because the human animal -- especially the male animal -- craves drama as much as food, shelter and clothing. Conquering an unwilling sex partner is about as much drama as a man can find without shooting a gun -- and, of course, guns haven't disappeared either. Earth to liberated women: When you display legs, thighs or cleavage, some liberated men will see it as a sign that you feel good about yourself and your sexuality. But most men will see it as a sign that you want to get laid."

Earth to Dan Rottenberg: "Conquering an unwilling sex partner" is not a "craving" on par with food, shelter and clothing. It is not even a "drama." "Game of Thrones" is a drama. Rape is a violent crime. And normal, functioning men don't automatically take a woman's "display of legs, thighs and cleavage" as an automatic green light they "want to get laid" -- and even those who do don't mistake wanting to get laid with wanting to be abused.

Rottenberg then caps his polemic with a tale of two women on his block back in the day, one of whom was never assaulted and the other, who "could be seen puttering around her living room in shorts and a halter" and had a far rougher time.

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/feature/2011/06/24/lara_logan_dan_rottenberg_rape_blaming/index.html

Wow. Just...fucking.....wow

[truebrit71]

1. What century is that fucktard from?

Really? Men can't control themselves so be prepared to "get laid" if you flash some skin???

Ladies, this is NOT how we think, or operate, at all....just men with small penises that can't get laid unless they pay for it and have editor in chief jobs...apparently...

[aquart]

10. Now, now, don't go destroying the basis of all fundamentalist religions.

They KNOW they can't handle cleavage.

[ImNotTed]

2. Edited to include link

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/feature/2011/06/24/lara_logan_dan_rottenberg_rape_blaming/index.html

Sorry 'bout that.

[joeybee12]

3. KNR...I think someone else posted this, but it can't be posted enough...

This guy is scum.

[ImNotTed]

5. I scanned GD for a similar thread

But perhaps I should have looked at E&OA. :blush:

[lunatica]

21. It was a while back, but it's one that should be posted again

[fascisthunter]

4. well then... put his ass in Prison

see what he thinks of rape then.

[niyad]

6. conveniently, the sexist git is out of the office until next tues

What message was the TV journaiist Lara Logan sending here?
Male sex abuse and female naiveté
BY: Dan Rottenberg 06.06.2011
Earth to liberated women: When you display legs, thighs or cleavage, some liberated men will see it as a sign that you feel good about yourself and your sexuality. But most men will see it as a sign that you want to get laid. Forewarned is forearmed.

[lbrtbell]

7. Men who go to a woman's place at night are "asking for it"

Prison, that is. There, they'll find all the rape "drama" they could ever want! :mad:

[aquart]

8. A man who is not responsible for his own actions should not be allowed to vote or own property.

Or go out without a leash.

[Capitalocracy]

12. Men who think they aren't responsible for their own actions, you mean

But they are responsible. Oh, they are.

[aquart]

24. Yes. An excellent correction.

I will use it in future, thank you.

[Angry Dragon]

9. Then the question needs to be asked:

Are the women on fox yelling to get laid??
For everyday they are hanging their boobs out there.
Are they asking their viewers to come down to the studio and
just take them on the floor??
Are politicians such as bachmann asking the voters to come get her??
Perhaps he should start there and ask fox and bachmann.............

[anneboleyn]

20. And Palin and Condoleezza? They show some leg, especially Palin.

[Capitalocracy]

11. I wonder wtf is going on inside Dan Rottenberg's head.

I hope he's just writing about his violent sexual fantasies rather than indulging in them. Don't go to his house at night.

[Canuckistanian]

13. He should be on the National Sex Offender Resgistry just for WRITING that.

He's obviously got a twisted mind.

[SouthernLiberal]

14. Anti-male at the same time

His argument also suggests that men are ravening beasts who should all be shot on sight.... but somehow, I doubt if he would approve of that solution to the rape problem.

And no - I don't think badly of men.. I like men. And I think they all deserve better than this guy's opinion of his own sex.

[ImNotTed]

17. We have instincts and impulses, naturally

Homo sapiens is an animal species, after all. I personally think that parenting is the most essential ingredient. My father and mother made very clear, very early in my life, that physically forcing anyone to do anything was simply not kosher.

[Curmudgeoness]

15. I guess that growing up with a name like Rottenberg

gives you a perverted view of things. It is scary to think that there are many people out there who agree with this kind of thinking. I hear it all the time and I am disgusted. :puke:

[BlueIris]

16. Ew. And thanks for posting. nt

[ImNotTed]

18. Um.....

...so, do you think it was a good thing or a bad thing that I posted?

:hide:

[BlueIris]

26. It was good of you to post a rebuke of pro-rape remarks.

I'm so disturbed that anyone would rationalize rape, let alone that these rationalizations are ongoing in our society.

[anneboleyn]

19. Great points. Love the Game of Thrones shout out. Daenerys has her dragons at last!

"conquering an unwilling sex partner" is certainly a deplorable euphemism for acts of violence against autonomous human beings.

[myrna minx]

22. Wow -K&R n/t

:puke:

[TK421]

23. Hey Dan...if you did it to my sister or nieces, I would make your sorry ass suffer for it

slowly, Dan....VERY slowly, Dan

[Lydia Leftcoast]

25. I once read a wonderful essay in which the author said that if men have so much

trouble controlling themselves, then perhaps they shouldn't leave their homes without an adult female escort.

[blogslut]

27. That guy is messed up

I was going to say something about his Blepharoplasty procedure but have decided to refrain.

http://www.danrottenberg.com/danrottenberg/id10.html

[tishaLA]

28. He and the Dilbert guy must share notes

To think that there are men who still believe this shit....it shows how far we have to go.

[Zoeisright]

29. Lesson for women:

If it's at all possible, offer to give the guy a blow job. THEN BITE IT OFF.

[ZombieHorde]

30. Perhaps the author is constantly restraining himself from raping women,

and he is listing his rape triggers.

[quaker bill]

31. I do not embrace the concept

and never condone blaming the victim, surely there must be an understanding that a bit of discretion on occasion would be a good choice.

While through accident of birth I thankfully do not suffer this challenge, there are certainly places in this town where I would not walk with a few hundred dollar bills sticking out of my pocket. Perhaps I have a right to do so should be able to, but I would not choose to test it.

[LiberalAndProud]

32. Do you think about rape when you see an attractive woman?

This is a sincere question.

[quaker bill]

36. No

But I am clearly not all men. This is why we have prosecutors, and why they are often quite busy. I don't think of larceny when I see money either. All evidence suggests that some people do. Curiously, the jails and prisons are quite full of them.

I do not approve of it, but that does not seem to stop them.

In that we all know such people exist, then what? (The "but they shouldn't exist" really does not work, we largely all think that, but seem to need a criminal justice system anyway...)

I know "it is not right" and it is really quite objectionable, which is why the act is illegal.

I would not choose to flash large amounts of cash in high crime areas, and in fact don't. Part of being a pacifist is acting so as to not encourage violence from others who might be so tempted.

[LiberalAndProud]

38. So we should all wear burkas and lock ourselves in at night.

Because no matter what a woman wears, someone is likely to think it is provacative. That is, quite simply, the truth of the matter.

[quaker bill]

43. Do you see all things in black and white?

My guess is that you don't.

Taking your line of thought, women should be able to walk about naked if they choose to, without fear. I would agree to the concept that in a fair and just world this would be true. I don't think we actually live in such a place. I think there is a fair amount of evidence for that conclusion.

Most people take reasonable measures to improve their chances of being safe relative to the situation that they are in. Occasionally these steps fail.

Where is the point of reason, given the world as we find it?

[Book Lover]

40. No, just no. I reject

your equating me, a human being with agency, to paper money. The fact you equate a human being with a mere object is the very crux of this problem. It is not my problem that others may or may not see me as an object. I will not act in any way that validates the viewpoint you express. If any others do, they are in the wrong, factually and morally.

[quaker bill]

44. Sorry you see it that way

Being robbed is also occasionally a physical act of violence, one in which the victim occasionally dies. They are just as human as you.

It is true that there is little evidence that in matters of rape, that how the woman was dressed was even relevant to the crime. Women in burkas get raped too.

My guess however is that there are some manners in which you act to enhance your personal safety. Perhaps you wear a bike helmet even though it is not attractive or a seat belt even though it wrinkles your clothes.

The world is actually dangerous in a large number of ways, is there a point of reason here? Your comment would suggest that there is no point of reason.

I would agree that in a fair and just world people should be able to live without fear of violent acts and should have to make no accomodation to achieve this. It would seem that we do not live in such a place.

[Book Lover]

48. Yawn

Take your apologetics elsewhere.

[Kurovski]

33. K&R

Dan Rottenberg is something of a dim-witted freak from another thousand centuries or-so ago.

For starters.

[Withywindle]

34. It's good to post things like this here from time to time (sparingly, though)

So that the misogyny-deniers (kind of like global-warming deniers) can see that this kind of crap is still very much out there, and very much in women's faces as we just try to go about our lives.


Don’t trust your male friends.


So, in other words, he thinks we really ought to BECOME the paranoid man-haters that Limbaugh and his ilk accuses us feminists of being.


Yeah, that'd be a no. I can't think of one single question in life that I would be interested in taking this dirtbag's advice about.

[LeftishBrit]

46. Very true actually

He is basically saying the same thing as the radical feminist statement that 'all men are potential rapists'.

So he is degrading men as well as women.

[DiverDave]

35. I thought rape was about power, silly me

I guess it IS about sex.

I still don't see how hurting someone is a turn-on.
I just cant.

This idiot is just about the stupidest person on earth, but it seems that he is a part of a larger problem.

Hey, Idiot, women are NOT ASKING FOR IT!

But I guess he wouldn't see this so I'll just say what a moron.

[LeftishBrit]

47. Exactly. If someone gets turned on by subduing and hurting people, they're sick

If someone justifies it they're sick.

[Odin2005]

37. Wow, just wow.

:puke:

[Whisp]

39. despicable rotten asshole.

talk about dog whistles, I bet a LOT of people agree with him but just don't say it out loud in front of other people.

[NashVegas]

41. The Guy's An Idiot, But He Still Has Some Valid Points

If anyone wants to retrace to the originating article, here's the link where the photo in question can be found: http://www.broadstreetreview.com/index.php/main/article/male_sex_abuse_and_female_naivete/

That's a publicity photo of a serious journalist? Why then, does it look like it was posed for at Daytona Beach spring break. What reputable news organization markets its journalists as fucktoys?

Stupid move, to try to associate the pic with any reasoning for rape, though.

[GoneOffShore]

42. Dan has NO valid points.

Fail.

[LeftishBrit]

45. What a disgusting man.