Does anybody think Casey Anthony is factually innocent?

[Zebedeo]

I watched her mom Cindy's testimony today and it sickened me that this woman would blatantly lie under oath to protect her murderous daughter from being brought to justice. (in my opinion)

I have seen DUers say things like "the prosecution hasn't proved their case," because the burden of proof in criminal cases is such a strict standard. But does anyone actually believe that Casey Anthony is factually innocent - that she did not murder Caylee? I'd like to know if anyone has that opinion, because to me it is painfully obvious that Casey committed this crime (in my opinion). The computer that Casey used included internet searches for how to make chloroform (84 searches for this), ways to break a neck, using household objects as weapons, and types of shovels. Her mom today tried to claim that those were her (the mom's) searches, but it was so obvious to me that she was testilying. (in my opinion)

Does anyone disagree?

[Mimosa]

1. Cindy is as bad as Casey to lie for her crazy killer daughter.

It's clear Casey is not 'factually innocent.' There's plenty of good evidence to convict her.

[pipi_k]

12. I can't even imagine being in the middle like that...

Being heartbroken over the death of my grandchild, knowing in my heart that my own child killed her, yet still having love for the child I gave birth to.

The conflicting feelings must be hell.


I don't think Cindy is lying for her daughter to exonerate her as much as she doesn't want her child...whom she must still love...to be sentenced to death.

It's probably what I would do too.

:(

[Zebedeo]

41. It must be difficult for the grandparents

I agree. However, they are still required by law to tell the truth on the witness stand. I believe Cindy was deliberately committing blatant perjury on the stand today.

[pipi_k]

80. But what if

her mind has convinced itself that it was true?


I think she absolutely believes that everything she says is true.


Is it perjury when a person believes what s/he says is the truth?

[emilyg]

42. It's exactly what I would do.

[Mimosa]

108. You'd betray truth and morality to protect a murdering sociopath?

You'd betray truth and morality for a murdering sociopath just because you happened to give birth to her?

I'm a woman but I could not do that. I have known women who would lie for their children. But in this case Cindy Anthony is taking it to the extreme. Enabling behaviours in parenting probably helped turn her into what she is.

[H2O Man]

2. Guilty as sin.

Her parents' attorney told a CNN journalist last night that they know their daughter is "not innocent."

That does not, however, translate to meaning her mother is purposely lying on the stand. It is, of course, one possibility. It is also possible that she is telling a story that is partly true, and partly the result of an unstable person under extreme pressure. The human mind is a curious thing, and a parent attempting to save their child's life during a long process may well have blocks to an accurate memory.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. I haven't followed this trial that closely

What do prosecutors say was the motive for Casey Anthony to kill her daughter?

[Maru Kitteh]

19. It appears she is a narcissist to the Nth power who just wanted to party, party, party.

Having a toddler, it seems, was getting to be quite boring and damned inconvenient.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

45. I don't know if it came out in the trial (I haven't followed it at all) but....

... my relative (who lives in Orlando) has a connection to the social worker community. They thought, and this is before the body was even found, she was using chloroform as a "baby-sitter" while she was partying and killed the kid accidentally.

[yardwork]

101. That's what I think happened. Chloroform and duct tape over the baby's mouth.

[FLAprogressive]

4. Casey is a compulsive liar and I don't know why her parents would cover for her after she accused

her father of molesting her -- which is probably a lie as well.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. Because she is their daughter (on the molestation accusation story)

Someone very close to me went through this with their own child. While I cannot see lying and covering up for a murder...I can see loving a child even after they accuse you or horrific things. Casey Anthony is a sick kid.

[Marrah_G]

48. Because she is their child

[Booster]

5. I think the entire family is guilty; murder, cover-up, molestation,

and certainly not telling the truth on anything. Having said that, I do think Casey will walk. This one of those bizarre cases that is going to be like watching Lindsey Lohan go to court for the 1000th time.

[boppers]

6. Manslaughter, maybe. For murder, dunno.

The stories involved have made the whole thing such a mess that it's hard to know what happened.

[DevonRex]

7. Guilty. Her lies, along with her mother's, will probably get her the death penallty.

The lies are outrageous and obvious and leave no room for any kind of sympathy. A confession might have spared her life.

[RebelOne]

9. I agree. The mother is lying through her teeth. Good thing I am not on the jury. n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

20. +1

[Imajika]

10. She's obviously guilty...

...and all the blather from Nancy Grace, Geraldo, etc, will amount to nothing.

The prosecution's case is solid and Casey Anthony will be convicted and sentenced to death.

[DURHAM D]

11. What was Cindy lying about.

I have seen her testimony previously and didn't see her trying to support her daughter.

What was different today?

[pipi_k]

14. She claimed those online searches for ways to make

chloroform (among a few other things) were done by herself and not Casey.

[DURHAM D]

15. Oh - I get it.

She is trying to save her daughter's life.

I would not wish Cindy's position on my worst enemy.

[DevonRex]

17. It could easily accomplish the exact opposite. The jurors need to have sympathy for her

since they will have none for Casey. But if they feel like she's as big a liar as her daughter then that sympathy could vanish.

[pipi_k]

26. Maybe...

or maybe not.

I'm thinking that at the very least any parents on the jury might be able to understand her wish to keep her daughter from receiving the death penalty and perhaps only find her guilty of manslaughter...

[sabrina 1]

58. Actually that's not what she claimed. She was asked specifically

if she searched on how to 'make chloroform' and she said she did not. What she claimed was that she was looking up some other word, which led her to chloroform as one of her dogs had a problem and she was trying to find a way to solve it.

She did not claim to have made any of the other searches.

I sympathize strongly with her and the father. I cannot imagine being in the place they are in. No matter what, they love their daughter. Yet, they must feel so much anger at her as the one who most likely killed their grand-daughter.

I doubt they will ever get over this, ever. Their daughter is clearly sick and although she appears to totally reject them, that doesn't change a mother's love.

No one who has not been in the position they are in, can judge them or what they might do in their position.

There used to be a rule, not sure if it still exists, that a wife could not testify against her husband because apparently when people were more compassionate, it was understood that to put a wife or husband in that position would be untenable and understandable should they lie to protect their loved one.

This has to be one of the worst nightmares a parent can find themselves in.

I am totally against the death penalty and hope the jury will not even consider it. I doubt they will actually since it will probably never be known how the baby died. It could have been accidental and the jury will have to consider that. Yes, she lied but people don't get the death penalty for lying.

It is a truly tragic case.

[pipi_k]

81. Actually I paraphrased it for the sake of brevity.

Her claim, to make it short and sweet, was that anything that popped up along the lines of the word "chloroform" was due to herself, and not Casey.

[COLGATE4]

82. Not exactly. She claimed she was looking for some chemical

to 'keep her dogs quiet', and that she searched for "clorophyl", which 'lead her to chloroform". Silly lie beyond words. The only thing chlorophyl will do for a dog is freshen its breath.

[Pool Hall Ace]

98. Cindy searches for a chemical to keep her dogs quiet?

Casey searches for a chemical to babysit her child while she goes partying?

What a crazy-ass family. :crazy:

[Union Scribe]

106. Cindy's story was really convoluted

Her dogs were acting dozy, so instead of, ya know, taking them to the vet or anything stupid like that, she started Googling the plants in her yard and that...somehow...led to searching for chloroform. Amidst that she was talking about some email about kids eating hand sanitizer, like "If you don't believe the dog story, I was Googling chemicals because of that."

She displayed none of the smooth finesse of Casey's lies, lol.

[Taverner]

13. Innocent of murder? No one except Casey will ever know that answer

There is a good deal of evidence to convict her

At the same time, a lot of the evidence has been inconclusive (the duct tape, for example, was never on Caylee's head. If so, it would have had skin attached to it)

I really don't know the answer to any of these questions. I think that she did it, but only because of what I have read and seen in the news.

[H2O Man]

51. Respectfully disagree.

The duct tape was on her head. The hair was stuck in it.

The possibility of skin being on the tape is decreased due to two related factors: the weather, including the flooding; and the rate of decomposition of a toddler's skin.

[Taverner]

78. Yeah that evidence looks pretty damning now

I will admit that subconsciously I don't want Casey to be the killer

The idea of a mother killing her daughter seriously disturbs me

But the evidence all points to her...

[csziggy]

52. I disagree about the duct tape - two pieces were found around the skull

And duct tape as it decomposes sloughs off the glue layer. Considering the conditions where the skeleton and duct tape were found, that is probably what happened to the glue and any skin that may have stuck to it.

We use duct tape a lot to wrap horses legs and feet. When wrapping the legs, the duct tape has to be kept off the hair or it will remove the hair when the duct tape comes off. Wrapping duct tape around the hooves is an effective way to keep medications on for a few days. The wrapping will come off and I have found the remains left in the pastures, sometimes a year or so later when it is very degraded. Wrapping hooves for long term effectiveness means several layers across the bottom of the foot and at least three or four wraps around the hoof.

Duct tape stuck to itself will often retain some of the glue since the backing somewhat protects whatever is in between, but the layer that had been adhered to the sides and bottom of the hoof will have no adhesive left and none of the materials we may have been trying to keep in contact with the hoof will be left. Nothing will be left but the backing.

Even when we've had wraps around a horse's leg if the bandage comes off in the pasture usually all that is left is the duct tape backing. Wrapping a leg bandage is even more involved than wrapping a hoof. Generally, there will be a dressing of gauze, held on with a stuff called Vet Wrap which does not have an adhesive but is stretchy and sort of sticks lightly to itself. Then wrap carefully with duct tape, covering as much of the other bandaging as possible without actually sticking to the horse's hair, and without wrapping too tightly so the circulation is not affected.

Usually you would replace the wrapping every one or two days, but some horses are good at getting the wraps off, or if not well done, the wraps will slide off. Again, I'll find the old, weathered duct tape remains in the pastures. Even if the hair had adhered to the tape originally, if the wrap is months old there will be no hair left.

The duct tape that was found very much looked like the duct tape remnants we find in the pastures. I'm not at all surprised that there was not tissue or DNA left attached to it after most of a Florida summer with tropical storms and flooding of the area.

[Taverner]

54. Did not know that thanks.

More evidence for "guilty"

But I wish it weren't

[lumberjack_jeff]

84. Innocent until proven guilty. Once proven guilty - guilty.

We'll *know* when the trial concludes.

[Myrina]

16. Casey did not want to have the baby, her mother forced her ...

... according to earlier reports. Any teen forced to have a child she didn't want, by a mother who then - obviously - valued the baby more than she valued the daughter she forced to have the kid, is likely to have hateful feelings toward that child.

I suspect she was on her way to a party, or a hookup, or a drug score, and decided that chloroform was a cheap and efficient babysitter and intended to knock Caylee out until she was done partying & it went too far.

So yes, I disagree. I don't think it was pre-meditated murder, I think it was a massive FUBAR by a frustrated young mother who was in a shitty situation. And yes, I also partially blame her mother - if Cindy Anthony was my mother, she'd have had her ass kicked several times over by now.

[Zebedeo]

27. Under your theory of the facts,

what is the explanation for the internet searches for ways to break a neck and ways to use household objects as weapons?

Thank you for your reply, BTW.

[Myrina]

63. First off, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv .

Secondly, however, what would the authorities turn up on your/your family's google history if they impounded your pc?
People look for all kinds of weird shit based on articles they read, movies they see, etc.

And unless there is actual video of Casey herself googling those subjects, just because they were on her pc, doesn't mean SHE did those searches.

I don't trust her parents: they are complicit parties either in the child's death, or the 'framing' of their daughter.

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[Myrina]

64. ... and imagine how that must have made Casey feel, regardless ...

... to have the baby and then be basically discarded as a surrogate mother, by her own mother, because mommy dearest is so obsessed with the new baby. If Casey is truly a 'killer', why isn't her mother dead instead of the child?

[ScreamingMeemie]

88. The problem is that Casey has lied so many, many times, who is

to say she did not lie about being forced to have the baby?

[Justitia]

18. I'm glad you're not on the jury, determining if she lives or dies.

Manslaughter? Most probably.

Murder? A whole different ball game.

I assume you know the difference and allowing the state to kill her hangs in the balance.

And to think her mother would not lie to save her life makes me think you are not a parent.

I am sure the jury will take her testimony with that in mind.

[Zebedeo]

30. It's murder when

the killer premeditates the crime, as I understand it. "Malice aforethought" or something like that. I believe Casey Anthony premeditated this killing, and I think that is the only reasonable explanation for the internet searches found on her computer, looking for ways to break a neck, ways to use household objects as weapons, types of shovels, etc. If it was an accident, why would she need to research ways to break a neck?

As for whether I am a parent, I decline to state, based on my policy of preserving the privacy of my personal information on the internet.

[Justitia]

37. Why do you have such strong feelings about this particular case?

I think that is a fascinating study all in itself.

Unfortunately, cases of child murders with more horrifying circumstances than these happen every day.
There is nowhere near the intense scrutiny on those cases as compared to this one.


Why the intense interest in this specific case?

And exactly what ending would satisfy you?

[Zebedeo]

40. This case is particularly newsworthy

right now because of a highly publicized trial being televised currently. In addition, the case has some especially newsworthy aspects, including the fact that Casey waited a month before reporting her daughter missing, and she spent that month partying.

What ending would satisfy me? Conviction of Casey of the crime of first degree murder, with whatever penalty the court imposes at sentencing.

[Drahthaardogs]

38. She killed an innocent toddler, duct taped her mouth, left her body to rot in a car trunk.

I am all for the Code of Hammurabi on this one.

[Justitia]

39. Well, I'm glad you've got it all figured out Perry Mason.

Maybe when they burn her at the stake they will put it on TV to satisfy the bloodlust of the masses.

[Shagbark Hickory]

21. ??? Is anyone here on the jury?

I haven't seen the evidence. All I've seen is some young mother made out to be a murderer by the media.

[WinkyDink]

23. "made out to be"?? Do yourself a favor; try looking at the evidence.

[Shagbark Hickory]

24. I would but I don't think they'll let me just barge into the courtroom or where ever the evidence is

being presented.

[WinkyDink]

25. Well, frankly, citizens ARE attending the trial, which the law permits. (Do you have another place

besides a courtroom where you think evidence might be presented? A church, perhaps? A mall?)

Unless you are simply proffering the tired "we're not the jury, so we cannot opine."

[H2O Man]

49. You don't need to.

The trial is being televised. More, the internet allows you access to the prosecution's records, which are largely public in the state of Florida.

[Zebedeo]

31. You think she is being railroaded?

Please explain why you think so. I am interested to know.

[Obamanaut]

59. Does it matter whether/not anyone here is on the jury? To me, the OP

was asking for an opinion.

Many people have them. On different topics.

[Shagbark Hickory]

67. How come the one I gave was wrong then?

[Obamanaut]

68. You asked a question. I answered it. Here is your question ->

??? Is anyone here on the jury?

What does it matter whether/not anyone here is on the jury. The OP appears to be asking for opinions. I did not suggest you had given a wrong opinion.

I do have an opinion about the sensitivity settings on your pushable buttons.

[Shagbark Hickory]

75. Aw! Now my pushable button settings are messed up too!?

What a way to start the day.

[WinkyDink]

22. No. Not in a million years. She partied; she shopped; she didn't report her daughter's "disappear-

ance"---FOR A MONTH.

NOBODY can convince me these are the actions of an innocent mother.

Oh, yes; Caylee "accidentally drowned", so we thought it was a cool idea to let her ROT IN THE WOODS.
This was HIDING a BODY, which in the normal world shows knowledge of guilt.

And the mother grieved so much......

[DevonRex]

28. Doesn't everybody bury their loved ones in the woods after they had

a fatal accident? Sorry. It's not a joking matter but the accidental drowning thing is the most ridiculous defense I've ever heard. And I agree totally with you. No normal human being goes and parties for an entire month after the disappearance/death of their child. Not to mention fabricate all those lies. She's a sociopathic murderer.

[Maru Kitteh]

33. It is the stupidest defense I've ever seen. And when/how the hell was the meter-reader supposed to

run off with the body?


Casey & Father: "OH NO! The baby's dead! She drowned in the pool. Oh well! Let's go inside and watch a movie."
110 minutes later: "OH NO! The meter-reader stole our dead baby! Oh well."
Casey to Father: "Bye Dad, I'm gonna go party."

good lord

[DevonRex]

36. Maybe they're going for an appeal on inadequate defense.

Honestly that's the only thing that makes sense. And what is their theory on why somebody would steal a dead body? This I've gotta hear.

[csziggy]

53. I can think of one possible explanation why the body would have been left to rot

If the defense's story is to be believed.

I have to say that I do not believe anything the defense has to say.

If, as the defense claims, George Anthony molested Casey and that Caylee died at the house - whether by drowning or by some other means - who is to say that one of them was not molesting Caylee? That would explain why her body would have been disposed of, even if the death was accidental.

George Anthony was a former police officer. He'd know that a medical examiner could find evidence of molestation. If he had followed the television show that Dr. Garavaglia, the Orange County Medical Examiner, he'd know she is very thorough and probably would have found evidence of molestation, even if it was claimed that the death was accidental drowning.

In this scenario, George would have had a strong motivation to dispose of the body in a way that would make sure that if it were ever found, there would be no soft tissue left and almost no chance of any DNA to be found that could be used as evidence of molestation.

This still does not explain Casey Anthony's bizarre actions and stories. I don't believe that molestation creates the pathological liar this woman has been proven to be.

I do not believe any of this is true, but I am surprised that the defense did not take their molestation scenario to the next logical step and accuse George of molesting his granddaughter as well as his daughter. Then the hiding of the body is much more logical.

[WinkyDink]

87. This would make sense for Baez to claim. But maybe even George would not have agreed to this lie.

[csziggy]

91. George has already denied molesting Casey

George was the first prosecution witness, probably so they could defuse the defense opening statement right off the bat. But Baez still seems to be running with his theory.

[Faux pas]

102. Went shopping with her 'best' friend's checkbook that she stole.

She had seven felony counts against her before she ever was arrested for murder. She even stole from her grandmother for hell's sake! Money that was for the housing of her grandfather in a senior care facility. The kid was/is on a one way trip to prison no matter how you slice it.

[Obamaforthewin]

29. She is so guilty.

She even did the cliche Google searches several months before the murder looking for the best way to do it.

[Zebedeo]

35. Yes, I see no other reasonable explanation.

I realize that much of the evidence against her is circumstantial, but I strongly believe she murdered little Caylee and if I were on the jury I would have no sympathy for Casey.

[annabanana]

32. very little time for this kind of stuff. . . . n/t

[gkhouston]

34. Seems unlikely. Reminds me too much of the Diane Downs case. n/t.

[southernyankeebelle]

43. Cindy is trying to save her daughter from the death chamber. However Cindy lied today.

[frogmarch]

44. She's guilty. I have no doubt she killed

her little daughter. DU isn't a court of law, so I don't have to consider Casey Anthony innocent until the prosecution proves otherwise.

[customerserviceguy]

46. Not me

This trial is just a defense farce that will be seen through completely by the jury, and I predict it will not take more than three days for them to do so.

[applegrove]

47. No, I agree. I can't stand looking at the monster on the tv.

[JonLP24]

50. Sure

I actually haven't followed this so I have no idea actually. Interesting part of those searches is it was undetermined who made those searches. It could have been anyone using the computer. I tried to not think much of it at the time as I have searched for weird stuff online, not to do anything but for information.

[Are_grits_groceries]

56. One thing I DO believe is that Jose Baez

has presented one of the most incompetent defenses I have ever heard of. He has woven some elaborate plot where everybody from George Anthony to the meter reader who found the remains has been involved in some scheme. It's the ODDI defense. Some other dude did it.

I think that when all is said and done 2 things will stick subconsciously in people's minds. One is Caylee's innocent, smiling face. The other is Casey's disagreeable mien. Her attorney's grating manner just adds to her negative image. If the state did nothing but flash back and forth between those 2 images, they would probably win.

IMHO Baez needed to have somebody teach him Occam's Razor. He should have focused on the fact that for all the evidence shown, there is no cause of death. How she died cannot be proven. The circumstantial evidence may still be enough to convict her, but by hammering on that one point he may have gotten somebody to buy 'reasonable doubt.' Instead of using one good horse, he has introduced herds of zebras. In fact, it is a veritable zoo he has unloosed in the courtroom. The jury isn't going to buy all that hooha. The prosecution has stuck to horses.

I would have stipulated that Casey is a schmuck in so many words, but there is a huge leap from schmuck to murderer. I would have stipulated that Caylee did die and evidence of her remains could be found in several places because Casey panicked. I would have brought in a psychiatrist who could testify about the power of denial to try to explain Casey's behavior.

I would also have highlighted another part of the testimony that a lot of people gave who said that Casey never mentioned Caylee after a certain time. A lot of them also testified that she was a good mother. That I would have highlighted in neon. I would have found as many people as possible who could say that. I also would have scoured the tapes we keep seeing snippets of for parts where Casey and Caylee do interact positively. I have seen a glimpse of one, and I will bet there are others.

Why Baez is cutting his teeth on this death penalty case is beyond me. He isn't death qualified and has to have an attorney who is as part of his team. As soon as capital punishment was introduced I would have scoured the bushes for the best attorneys. Judy Clark may have been willing to help. She was the attorney involved in the Susan Smith case who helped keep her off death row. Clark takes these cases because of her fervent opposition to the death penalty. I'll bet Baez has refused to let any part of this case go to the detriment of his client. The relationship between Baez and Casey could be a dissertation.

I am not saying this because I like Casey or necessarily believe she is innocent. As a defense attorney, I believe Baez has been a better aid to the prosecution. I have been trying to think of the best defense to present in her case. What I have proposed might not be it, but I believe it is better than the one Baez has cobbled together. He has used the Rube Goldberg method.

Maybe he is trying to set up an appeal using an incompetent defense as the basis.

**As one aside, the barn the prosecution referred to that was used to find touch DNA is actually a cutting edge facility run by two highly credentialed scientists. It has been used by others to prosecute people.

**As one more aside, this case would have landed in the media no matter what because it is such a heinous crime with a large and varied cast of people. However, if Nancy Grace hadn't blasted it around on her program for days on end, I don't think it would have become this circus. she says she wants justice. MEH! She wants ratings. Grace needs to go somewhere and work out her issues from the murder of her fiance years ago. As a prosecutor, she was cited many times by the judge for her conduct.

This is really a Greek tragedy in the end and not 3 rings. There is the death of an innocent child and the utter desolation of that fact. There is also the damage done to countless people. It is a very sad tale that has been given no dignity in the proceedings. Caylee's death deserves to be treated as more than a sideshow. Her radiant smile is gone forever, and that is the image that should be what is remembered.

Thank you for indulging me. The Meh Kitteh rests.

[Sancho]

60. I don't like the prosecution either...

the defense attorney is distracting, but the bickering and withholding evidence also makes the whole trial difficult to follow. I can see someone hanging this jury even if they think she's guilty. The chemist was stupid to leave evidence lying around in an office and was not convincing about finding chloroform. The ME was marginally better. I don't think they connected the dots to Caycee well enough. She may testify and do herself in...

[Are_grits_groceries]

61. If Baez puts Casey on the stand,

he should be sanctioned or beheaded or whatever.
I realize he needs to in a way because of the way he set up the defense.
However, she is such a liar that what she says will be taken with a grain of salt.
Why take the chance of letting the prosecutors tear her to bits?

[nessa]

65. He's in way over his head...

I suspect his ego and desire to be famous won't allow him to admit it. An interesting article about him...
http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-trial-qod-who-is-jose-baez/

She had Linda Kenny Baden, who seems much more competent than Baez. Kenny Baden withdrew because the state wouldn't reimburse her for travel expenses, at least that's what she said.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-10-22/news/os-casey-anthony-lawyer-leaves-20101022_1_casey-anthony-defense-team-andrea-lyon

I wonder though, if the combination of Casey Anthony and Jose Baez is just too much narsicism and ego for anyone to work with.

[Fuddnik]

57. Who?

I have more important things to worry about.

[nessa]

66. LOL

like "hmm... where I can respond to topics I don't care about, to show how busy I am?"

[WinkyDink]

86. I've never understood the bragging about ignorance of anything.

[ScreamingMeemie]

89. Me either. although I confess to doing it on Sarah Palin threads because

I really believe that, if we forgot about her, she would cease to exist.

[Little Star]

62. This trial carried live on WFTV here is a link:

http://www.wftv.com/index.html

It is quite interesting to watch our justice system live. I actually wish they showed more trials live.

[AngryAmish]

69. It's Florida.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

70. Even if Casey is guilty, I despise the prosecution. According to the defense witness, only one

site was visited re chloroform, and they (the prosecution) made it sound because the amount of hits, that 80+ sites were visited.

The prosecution has been leaking information all along, making it impossible for Casey to really receive a fair trial.


She might be as guilty as all sin, but the prosecution has had a bully pulpit all along and I believe the defense has been under gag order.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

71. For chemistry mavens...Casey said her daughter drowned. Can chlorine be confused with what is

supposedly residual chloroform?

[Are_grits_groceries]

74. Don't google it or

Baez will call you to testify.

I don't like Baez or the prosecution.
However, because it is a capital punishment case, I find Baez particularly despicable because I believe he is putting his ego before his client. He would be bad enough anyway no matter what the charge is.

[NotThisTime]

99. The Anthony's did not use Chlorine in their pool & I think she's guilty as sin, I don't think she

will be convicted for anything other than lying to investigators, no matter how hard her defense team is trying to get her convicted.... maybe the best defense would have been none or narrow in scope.. this wild tail they've woven isn't believable by anyone....

[trumad]

72. What Mother parties her ass off after her child goes missing.

Seriously--- are you people claiming her innocence stupid?

[Are_grits_groceries]

76. I am not claiming her innocence.

I believe the weight of the circumstantial evidence is very hard to dispute. However, I would be stupid and guilty of not taking the case seriously if I sent Casey to death row because of just the fact you cited.

[trumad]

77. This is just one of the facts

and the most glaring fact of all.

add on that the multiple lies---the fake baby sitter---the fake job at Universal Studio's.... and on and on...

The fucking trunk of her car that smelled like a dead body to everyone who smelled it.

[CBGLuthier]

73. No Wonder all the fucking Soap Operas Have gone off the air

[woo me with science]

79. As opposed to mythologically innocent? nt

[RyanPsych]

83. I'm just tired of hearing about it as if its relevant

I mean honestly- who freakin cares? There are so many murders in this country- why am I forced to have to hear about this woman and her stupid family?

There are soooo many more important things going on in the world that we're not hearing about because of all the air time this twit is getting for killing her child

[jillan]

97. I agree with you 100%. I cannot believe all the attention it is getting. Yes it's a horrible

tragedy, but it's not the only one.

[qanda]

85. The Anthony family is making me sick to my stomach

They lie and cry on cue. I hope the jury is not buying all of the lies masked with emotions but this family is very good at it.

[tabasco]

90. If they can show the mother was lying,

they should lock her stupid, criminal ass up, too.

[retread]

92. "...this woman would blatantly lie under oath" Oh great seer of inner-most thoughts of us mere

mortals. Your abilities rival the diagnostic abilities of Bill Frist. Lynch mobs disgust me!

[tabasco]

93. Sanctimonious douches on internet message boards

disgust me!

[retread]

111. Thought it was the trash. Got over that and went with the flow I see. n/t

[Zebedeo]

103. One would have to be a pathetic idiot

to be fooled by the defense case.

[lunatica]

94. I google search a lot, but never for any of the things you mention here

[Poll_Blind]

96. Heh, same here. I'm not making any particular point about this case but...

...the search engine is a kind of confessional. I wrote a little article for DU about the AOL search logs after having acquired a copy. Pretty stunningly private things. Most are simple things- how to tell if so and so doesn't love you, how to clear up a yeast infection. And then there were some really creepy ones too- how to kill people, how to get away with murder.

PB

[miyazaki]

95. Steinbeck describes Casey Anthony in his book East of Eden,

starting from chapter eight. The characters name was Cathy Ames.
Heh, even the same initials. She's a guilty, soulless monster.
The world is filled with them.

[Zebedeo]

104. Unfortunately

you are right.

[WillyT]

100. Go Away... We're Celebrating...

:hi:

[Zebedeo]

105. You just bumped this thread

by posting. Brilliant.

And check the date and time that this thread was started, Einstein.

[RB TexLa]

107. Who are these people?

[AtomicKitten]

109. I don't think the prosecution can prove first degree murder.

Just as in the OJ Simpson case, proving guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt will be tough. In OJ's case, it was clear the police had planted evidence - blood with preservatives in it - ironically providing that doubt - and OJ Simpson rightfully walked on that.

[Bunny]

110. Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt is not the standard.

It's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Big difference.

[AtomicKitten]

112. You are correct.

thanks

[H2O Man]

113. In my opinion,

the Anthony case is far closer to Scott Peterson's, than to OJ's. The conduct of the police investigators isn't really at issue here -- which is closer to the Peterson case than the Simpson murders. Nor does race play a role. Likewise, in both the Anthony and Peterson cases, the actual method of murder is "unknown," where in the Simpson double homicide, there was no question. More, the implied motive is closer in the Anthony and Peterson cases, than with OJ.

[AtomicKitten]

115. In that regard, I agree.

Mom copping to the "chloroform" search rather threw a monkeywrench in the prosecution's case. However, Casey's behavior while Caylee was "missing" looks really, really bad.

[CrazyBob]

114. Same as OJ Simpson

Poor prosecution. I a convinced she did it. But that's just my feeling. The prosecution did not prove me right - not yet.

The gov should never be allowed to put a citizen in prison for life (or worse) without first proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have committed a crime. Period.

The jury is not to do what you did - relying on opinion to come to a conclusion. Facts are facts. Opinions are not.