Did Clinton Resign?

[BeFree]

Did Hillary suggest Bill resign?

Why didn't Clinton resign?

And ain't it funny how, now, Bill commands respect and his wife is SoS?
Isn't that how you win over the RWingers? By telling them to fuck-off and go away?

And now we have lost one of the strongest voices who was on the attack against the RWingers.

Folks, it doesn't bode well for the future of the party, or America.
The RWingers have beaten us again.

But the amazing part is how so many of us are glad Tony has quit.
Winners never quit, is something taught and proved by the Clintons.

[polichick]

1. The RWingers didn't beat us - Dem leaders did...

It's pretty clear that they don't think of "us" the same way we do. Time to wake up!

[BeFree]

2. Yeah, even then

The democrats were abandoning the Clintons.

But Bill and Hillary stood tall, fought back and ended up winning.
I like winners.

[polichick]

6. Clinton didn't threaten the corporate agenda...

If he had, he would've been gone imo.

[BeFree]

8. Hillary did

When she began to offer up a health care plan.

That's when she became familiar with the VRWC.

And now she is a winner.

[polichick]

10. Hillary is very much part of the corporate agenda, as is Obama.

[spin]

3. Clinton had support from Democrats ...

"Tony" had few, if any, friends in Congress.

I agree that what he did wasn't all that serious and he shouldn't have been forced to resign. Perhaps we don't know all the facts.

[JackRiddler]

14. Screw their "support." They aren't his constituents, they didn't vote for him.

[leveymg]

15. Clinton had support from key Republicans and their mutual backers, as well

I know, it looks like Bush Sr. is reaching into Bill's pocket. But, really, it was consenting. They were good friends . . .

and, had mutual friends . . .

For more details, see, "PARTNERS IN CRIME: The Bushes, The Clintons, and BBCI", http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x194635

[leveymg]

4. No Statement on Thomas at Nancy Pelosi's site : 4 on Weiner

http://search.house.gov/htbin/search

Something is really wrong here. Keep screaming bloody murder until they do something to right this injustice.

[xchrom]

9. +1

[Morning Dew]

5. Good point.

Had AW gone "underground" for a couple of weeks, he'd be old news and everyone would be talking about the new Lindsay Lohan antics or whatever.

This country has a very short attention sp...

Oh look, shiny thing!!

[MineralMan]

7. Weiner is not Clinton.

You keep confusing one situation with another. The two situations are not equivalent in so many ways.

There is a difference between a President and a Congressman. Clinton chose not to resign. Instead, he took a chance on impeachment. He was not convicted in the Senate, and went on to win a second term. In that process, Gingrich was forced to resign, oddly enough.

Weiner could easily have stayed in office. He chose to resign. Why? Because his influence was finished. He could have stayed in the House, but his voice would have been diminished to a whisper. Congressmen do not have the clout of Presidents.

Clinton survived an impeachment. Nixon, on the other hand, chose to resign, rather than face an impeachment. Interesting stuff, history. It's fascinating to study.

Personally, I wonder what would have been different today had Clinton resigned. I wonder if we might not have had an Al Gore as President, or even someone else. It would have changed many things. Maybe even for the better.

Not so with Weiner. Congress members are a dime a dozen. There will be a new one in his place shortly, and that new one will have the same single vote out of 435 that Weiner had. Congress members are very different from Presidents. Not much really rides on a single Congress member. Much rides on a President.

Weiner decided to resign. He could have decided not to and kept his seat. He made the choice. It doesn't really make a lot of difference really, as things go.

[Morning Dew]

11. Clinton was in his 2nd term. n/m

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. And so was Nixon when he resigned. nt

[MineralMan]

13. He was, indeed. He was re-elected, despite the scandal.

You're correct.

[Morning Dew]

17. The scandal wasn't a scandal until long after the '96 election.

The events took place prior to the election but Linda Tripp didn't start taping Monica Lewinsky until the Autumn of '97. I think Lewinsky told Tripp about her relationship with Clinton in the Summer of '96 when they worked together at the pentagon.

Ms. Lewinsky was subpoenaed by the lawyers for Paula Jones in December of 1997.

[MineralMan]

19. You are correct again. My timeline is incorrect.

Thanks for clearing that up. I still wonder what might have happened had Clinton resigned.

[Morning Dew]

20. I had to look it up - those years get jumbled for me.

:)

Big wave from over NordEast, MM.

:hi:

[MineralMan]

21. And a wave back from the East Side of St. Paul.

From: The Right Side of The River! :rofl:

[Morning Dew]

22. Hey, wait!! NorthEast Minneapolis is on the right side of the river. The East side.

But I know what you mean. I've lived in The Saintly City and loved it as much as Minneapolis (even the part West of the river).

[MineralMan]

23. That's right. Nordeast should rightfully be part of

Minnesota's First City! Rah, rah, sis boom bah! :rofl:

[JackRiddler]

27. Tell us, historian: Which scandal would that be, prior to the 1996 election?

Gennifer Flowers? Whitewater? Mena?

EDIT: Never mind, I see someone already pointed this out. No need to pile on.

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[MineralMan]

28. Yes, I got the timeline wrong. I'm old and feeble-minded, I guess.

Oh, well. He still didn't resign, and I still wonder how history might have changed if he had resigned. Don't you?

[JackRiddler]

30. I only wonder how history might have changed if he had put principled politics ahead of career.

Hint: That would not have involved resigning, but it would have looked a lot different than the sad show we saw.

[MineralMan]

31. There are always many questions of the "what if" nature.

None can be answered about any past time period, sadly.

[qazplm]

24. i fear

that you'd have had a 2004 republican win the presidency, maybe even Bush.

We'd just NOW be finishing off his second term, we might be that much behind in Iraq (because odds are he would have invaded them), basically it would be 07 right now instead of 11.

[DrDan]

16. nor do winners send inappropriate pictures via the internet and lie about it

[leveymg]

18. But they had phone sex, even though they knew that "a certain embassy" was listening in, and then

lied about it.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Sure, a fundamental difference.

[qazplm]

25. President >>>> congressman

And all Weiner was was a loud voice, he got on the talk shows, he passed little in the way of actual legislation, he was a guy who went on Hannity and blustered.

I don't get the canonization of the man. What bills did he pass? What legislation was he in any way influential on. 12 years he was in office and I don't remember him leading on much. The only thing I remember is that he was a loud voice. Granted, I liked a lot of the things he said, but you know, being a legislator involves more than that.

Regardless, HE quit. He was not fired, he wasn't forced out by Congress, HE quit. So he either felt he couldn't do his job anymore, or was too ashamed, or too unwilling to take the heat to fight for anything.

And you want to blame Pelosi? And us? And Dems?

What is so special about the guy that he's blameless no matter what he does?

[MineralMan]

29. +10

[Ohio Joe]

26. Agreed

I find it a shame that he was pretty much forced to resign, I wish he had stuck it out. I know his voice will be missed by me.

[BeFree]

32. Indeed

We have lost a great voice in congress.

Lets hope he bounces back and is allowed to be heard from for many years.
Clinton did so, so can Tony.

[Ninten12]

33. No Need to Just Vent Here...

Take it to the a-holes in the "leadership"! That's what I've been doing ever since Anthony Weiner resigned. The man is a bull dog and in times like this, we need a yard full of them. Not the crappy-ass lapdogs the Democratic Parry "leadership" has become.

They did not like the fact that AW would "get all New Yorker" on the wing nuts. Dammit, Tony has to come back. He certainly can and should have just stayed in office like his constituents wanted him to.

There is a a write-in portion of the ballot too... Remember that NY!