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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 07:41 AM Original message |
100% of middle-class familes can come up with $2000 in a pinch. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. $2000 cash on hand, or $2000 borrowed cash? (credit card, loan, etc) nt |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Either, I'd say |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. any legal means of coming up with it |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. I'd count loan as long as you've a credible plan to repay it. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. That sounds like a reasonable dividing line to me (nt) |
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givebeesachance (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Not to me. It's how much you spend. n/t |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. $2000.00 in a bank account makes you middle class as |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. But that really wouldn't be middle class |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. OK, I'll agree to that, but $2000.00 isn't a huge amount of money to |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. True |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. You're missing the point. |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I wish everyone had your grasp of this issue. I totally agree! n/t |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
78. I totally agree |
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Cresent City Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. There was a Pew Research Center study on this in April, 2008 |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. True. Good post. nt |
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givebeesachance (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. Yup. Not a class issue IMO. |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
6. This is the second thread I've seen on this subject |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Yes... |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. I see no suggestion that people can save $2000 monthly. That |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. No, I'm not suggesting people save money they can't manage to save. |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
77. Your suggestion is that if people pinch their wages |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. Simple definition of working class... |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Working class and middle class really describe two different things |
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givebeesachance (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
53. Exactly. You can have a PHd and make less than a garbage man! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. What if the pay checks add up to more than $50,000? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. If you reread my post... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. That is silly - being a Republican does not change their social strata |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Oh for pete sake... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The problem is that your post was wrong - and pretty incoherent as well. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. Opinion noted and ignored. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You left out the entire first half of your post |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. You get a pay check, you are part of the working class. period. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Then John Kerry, Ivan Seidenberg (Ceo of Verizon), etc are working class - they get pay checks |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. yeah, I think it is a dumb definition as well |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:10 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. There are clearly 3 classes. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #84 |
94. They live off their investments. nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. The source of Seidenberg's wealth is his compensation from the various parts of the Bell System, |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. dupe. nt |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Thank you! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
59. I would add a few to yours |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
92. +1. More specifically: Do you have to sell your labor to a boss to make your living? |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
11. A poll once that showed about 30% of Americans thought they were in the top 1% of wage earners |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Add to that those who know they aren't, but anticipate that he could become so |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. You are right we can't forget about the Lottery players |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. True |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. That's what I'm saying. |
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nonperson (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
13. Middle-class is far more than $2K in a pinch IMO |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. The OP didn't state that having 2K in a pinch was the definition -- rather, a characteristic. |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Right, I'm not using that as any kind of dividing line or anything. |
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nonperson (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Got it |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
95. 2K is two months health insurance premiums for us. I think a better |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
18. These definitions are very personal and subjective ... |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
43. That's Not What The OP Is Saying |
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d_r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
19. there is no difference |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. No there is a difference. |
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d_r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. good point |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
20. No one's poor who can sell a kidney. |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
29. I think it has been conclusively shown ....... |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
35. I need someone to give me a definition of middle-class |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Although I believe the discussion is more complicated... |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. Well that wasn't the point of my thread. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. The $2000 really has no bearing |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. That's Not What The OP Is Saying |
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Blecht (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. Lessons in critical thinking -- I love it |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
36. Would hope so |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
37. Failure to Recognize Actual Class Status is at the Heart of What's Wrong in America |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
80. Divide and conquer is a bigger part |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
38. Part of the problem is that many who think they are middle class are in DENIAL. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
39. Link? nt |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Sorry. |
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Cresent City Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #55 |
89. I get it |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
40. point being there aren't many left in the middle class anymore |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
41. The OP Is Trying to Define ONE Minimal Standard of Being Middle Class |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I would say this, if you can't afford to send your kid to college w/out a loan |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
76. My husband is a professor at a college that costs $50,000 a year. How many middle class families can |
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ellenfl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
44. boy, am i stupid! i never realized that middle class was defined by |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Again, That's Not What The OP is Saying |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
46. good point n/t |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
49. The OP seems to be putting an arbitrary definition on what it means to be "middle class" |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. I'm not putting any definition on it at all. |
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givebeesachance (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
51. It depends how much you spend, not have |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
56. We can't even come up with a consensus ,,,, |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
57. Why so many people completely missed the point of this thread ... |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. I Agree with You |
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pa28 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
61. Quite a few are in denial about losing their class status. |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
62. within a month? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
64. You speak the truth. The converse is not necessarily true. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
69. Everyone's middle class. Except the middle class is long gone, and no one will admit it. |
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TexDevilDog (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
72. Kind of misleading |
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Blecht (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
79. I find this thread completely depressing |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
82. what if I can, but I am not middle class? |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Makes you foolish, but still able to come up with $2000 |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. not necessarily |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Yes, we were in that boat for awhile - |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
85. Middle class means you'll have enough for retirement - thats 200 grand in a pinch, not 2. |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I agree, but what the OP is saying is |
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999998th word (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Very well put. |
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