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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 07:49 AM
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Florida Tea party group offers summer camp for kids: 'Government cannot force me to be charitable.'
This is just flat out creepy.

Marlene Sokol at the St. Petersburg Times writes:


June 14, 2011


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The organization (Tampa 912 Project), which falls under the tea party umbrella, hopes to introduce kids ages 8 to 12 to principles that include "America is good," "I believe in God," and "I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."

Organized by conservative writer Jeff Lukens and staffed by volunteers from the 912 Project, Tampa Liberty School will meet every morning July 11-15 in borrowed space at the Paideia Christian school in Temple Terrace.

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He said he was not familiar with public school curriculum, but, "I do know they have a lot of political correctness. We are a faithful people, and when you talk about natural law, you have to talk about God. When you take that out of the discussion, you miss the whole thing."

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Still another example: Children will blow bubbles from a single container of soapy solution, and then pop each other's bubbles with squirt guns in an arrangement that mimics socialism. They are to count how many bubbles they pop. Then they will work with individual bottles of solution and pop their own bubbles.

"What they will find out is that you can do a lot more with individual freedom," Lukens said.

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The only purpose of indoctrinating young children into the pinched and fear-ridden world of selfishness and prejudice while claiming the "Christian" mantle is to perpetuate hatred.

These people are truly frightening.




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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 07:55 AM
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1. There's anecdotal evidence around that
they can do this to the kids, but later when they're older, if the kids don't have the conservative mental disorder, they will reject and rebel against what they're told now in favor of what's good and right.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 07:57 AM
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2. Good point. It didn't exactly rub off on Ron Reagan, did it?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 07:49 AM
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7. I'd rather have had Reagan or even Nixon than Bush
and I never thought I'd say those words in my life. Fact is, neither Reagan nor Nixon could get nominated for prez in the GOP right now. They were way too "liberal".
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 07:58 AM
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3. "meet every morning July 11-15 in borrowed space"
Borrowed space? That sure sounds like socialism to me.

By the way why can't we tax churches that involve themselves in politics especially when (in the case of a so called "christian" church) those politics run contrary to the basic beliefs of Christianity. Why isn't this hypocrisy self incriminating?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:26 PM
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4. especially since that slogan comes from Murray Rothbard, who says it's more immoral
to make someone pay to keep a retarded child from dying than it is to let that retarded child die
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Heretofor Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:50 AM
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12. The problem there...
Is that African-American churches are as politically active - if not moreso - than white churches. It's a bit anecdotal, but I see politicians preaching in nonwhite churches almost more than white ones.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:28 PM
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5. welcome kiddies to our right wing religious political cult
time for a little brainwashing...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:30 PM
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6. How is this not brainwashing?
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:08 AM
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8. This thing will be utter shambles because they will just let the kids fight over the toys. Nothing

on their agenda will get done at all because when you encourage kids to be selfish you get nothing but chaos.

It'll be like the substitute teacher who can't control the class.

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:10 AM
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9. Another self-proclaimed Christian without a clue as what is in the Bible.
There's quite a bit about charity in both the Old and New Testaments
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Heretofor Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:53 AM
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13. Unforced, though...
The OT law has some of it, but it requires landowners to leave the produce around the edges and the poor work for it themselves. It's also a theocratic system.

The NT it was all voluntary, with no Apostle nor Jesus requiring forced giving. Ananias and Sapphira were killed for lying to the Apostles, not for not giving enough.

True charity isn't forced, it comes from the heart - just like love.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:32 AM
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10. A Better Tomorrow.
Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 08:33 AM by OnyxCollie
Totalitarianism, being a dictatorship, characteristically includes the coercive
qualities noted in such varied dictatorial systems. But unlike most dictatorships
of the past and present, the totalitarian movements wielding power
do not aim to freeze society in the status quo, but on the contrary institutionalize,
or plan to, a revolution which mounts in scope, and frequently in intensity,
as the regime stabilizes itself in power. This revolution is to pulverize all
existing social units in order to replace the old pluralism with a homogeneous
unanimity patterned on the blueprints of the totalitarian ideology. The power
of the totalitarian regime is derived not from a precarious balance of existing
forces (e.g., church, landed gentry, officer corps) but from the revolutionary
dynamism of its zealous supporters who disarm opposition and mobilize the
masses both by force and by an appeal to a better future.
This appeal is normally
framed in the official ideology, or action program, of the movement. In time, of
course, the dynamism decreases, but by then the system is buttressed by complex
networks of control which pervade the entire society and mobilize its
energies through sheer penetration. An institutionalized revolution, patterned
on the totalitarian ideology, thus makes totalitarianism essentially a forwardoriented
phenomenon. Most dictatorships, on the other hand, have as their
object the prevention of history from keeping in step with time. Their survival
depends on maintaining the status quo. When they fail, they become history.

This proposition can be further developed by examining the fate of restraints on political power,
which are present in varying degrees in all societies, once the totalitarian movement seizes
power. These restraints can be broadly listed in three categories:
1) the direct restraints,
expressed through pacta conventa such as the English Magna Carta or the Polish Nihil novi .... ,
the Bill of Rights, constitutional guarantees, a rule of law, or even the broad consensus of
tradition which rules out certain types of conduct, such as the use of violence; 2) the indirect
restraints which stem from the pluralistic character of all large-scale societies, and which
necessitate adjustment and compromise as the basis for political power, e.g., the churches, the
economic interests, professional, cultural or regional pressure groups, which all impede the
exercise of unrestrained power; and 3) the natural restraints, such as national character and
tradition, climatic and geographical considerations, kinship structure and particularly the primary
social unit, the family. These also act to restrain the scope of political power.

Suspension of civil rights, open or masked subversion of established constitutional practices, and
negation of popular sovereignty have been characteristic of all non-constitutional states,
totalitarian or not.

Brzezinski, Z. (1956). Totalitarianism and rationality. The American Political Science Review, 50(3), 751-763.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:43 AM
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11. can we order up a hurricane????
so they could hold their camp in a fema trailer?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 10:12 AM
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14. That's not very nice
I wonder: if you indoctrinate your kids in this Randian crap for 18 years and they join the Army after high school, how many of them will receive trainee discharges for inability to adapt? The military is NOT an objectivist state.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 10:41 AM
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15. The ideal Tea Party kids camp would be 'Lord of the Flies':
Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 10:41 AM by LeftinOH
Just close the camp gates on the kids and let 'em sort it out for a week or two. They'll soon learn about how to be self-sufficient.

Oh, and :sarcasm:
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