Look, anyone surprised at how Debbie Wasserman Schultz is treating Weiner needs to read up.

[FLAprogressive]

This is just par for the course.....this is how she treats progressives:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3905348

She's only cutthroat when it comes to progressives, and definitely not her buddies, the right-wing Diaz-Balarts:

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/07/another-exceptional-candidate-debbie.html

[QC]

1. Preach it! n/t

[kath]

2. Wow, is she ever an asshole. Thanks for the links.

[sasha031]

3. k/r rec. thanks

I'm going to bookmark for later

[tsuki]

4. Best not say anything about Debbie Wasserman Schultz here.

She seems to be a wunderkind.

I was off her when she supported the Diaz-Balarts over Raul Martinez and Joe Garcia. Raul Martinez was popular, and with a little help, he could have won. Joe Garcia could have had a good run and a possible upset.

When I brought that fact here, I was told that she had to work with the Diaz-Balarts, so she couldn't oppose them. She was the Chair of the RED TO BLUE in Florida. She should have been out there for the Democratic Candidates, not the Roopublicons.

Now she is DNC chair.

[QC]

7. You have to admit, it was not at all surprising

that this administration chose her to be DNC chair.

Perfect choice, if the goal was to choose someone whose approach to politics (tongue-baths for your enemies and sharp kicks to the backside for your friends) perfectly mirrored the White House's.

[immoderate]

33. She's my DINO. Dee-dee DINO.

I live in her district. :(

--imm

[femrap]

41. smartest comment on the

entire thread. You got a dino prez and now you have DWS. duh.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

69. She was shrill during the primaries in her support for Hillary's campaign.

However, I do like her. Yes, she's a moderate to conservative Democrat but I like the way she goes after Republicans. She handed Prebus his ass the other day.

[Ken Burch]

94. You'd have to agree though, that it's unforgiveable for her to protect the Diaz-Balarts

No Democrat should ever be involved in saving the political careers of people who dream of running Cuba as their own personal casino/whorehouse again.

The hardline wing of the Miami exiles should be completely blacklisted in American politics.

[Exultant Democracy]

90. +1

[FLAprogressive]

9. People here love her because she goes on TV a lot. I forgot who said it but I think someone here

said it best when they said "She can frame her way out of a wet paper bag."

[rhett o rick]

91. With a hyphenated last name she has to be liberal. No? nm

[roguevalley]

23. I mentioned this on another thread and got trounced. Someone

said, 'so you prefer the republican?' which didn't make sense at all in context. some people need help. :)

[FLAprogressive]

24. Some here think DWS shits rainbows because she goes on TV a lot and talks a good game.

[NYCGirl]

29. One could say the same thing about Anthony Weiner. NT

[cui bono]

70. How so? Examples? n/t

[NYCGirl]

73. Here:

Weiner has no similar cover. And he really has himself to blame. In 13 years in the House, he’s developed a reputation as a showman who’s uninterested in hard work -- or in cooperation. For the first decade or so of his tenure, he focused more on New York City politics than on the national scene, positioning himself for a mayoral bid. Only in the last few years, when his planned 2009 campaign for mayor was ruined by Michael Bloomberg’s campaign to overturn the city’s term limits law, did Weiner become a prominent figure in Washington, mainly through colorful House floor speeches and appearances on cable news.

But this new profile irked his colleagues, even those who should have been his allies. For instance, Weiner made lots of noise advocating a single payer program during the 2009 and 2010 healthcare debate. But his crusade did not go over well with longtime single payer advocates in the House, who concluded that he was more interested in using the issue to make himself more appealing to liberal voters than in actually making progress on it. As the Washington Post’s Jason Horowitz reported last week:

"Anthony wanted to go to the House floor to present a single-payer bill," Waxman said in an interview.

That was shocking news for some of his liberal colleagues in the House, who said they had worked for years on single payer without hearing a peep from him. It was also unwelcome.

"To call a vote in that environment would have damaged single payer for the future," said one representative involved in the negotiations. "We were trying to protect it from a vote because we saw the handwriting on the wall."

In other words, while Weiner plays a progressive hero on television, most progressives in the House see him as something quite different -- and aren’t about to invest whatever clout they have in defending him.


And there's more at the link:

http://www.salon.com/news/anthony_weiner_dny/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/06/13/weiner_selective_outrage

[cui bono]

74. "Weiner made lots of noise advocating a single payer program"

He's fighting for the people with progressive ideas. He comes off as very progressive to me.

I see what you're saying to some extent but it's not the same thing that was said about DWS. He's not betraying his public words by going after other progressives and he fights for what he says on TV. He says the same stuff on the house floor. It would be nice to know that he works well with others though.

Whether he's likable or not is not my concern. Obama is likable but he's not progressive by a long shot so he's not doing a good job for me. In fact, he talks a good game but his policies are republican. I'm concerned with what policies people put forth and support.

[NYCGirl]

76. He grandstanded to make himself look like a hero, while

screwing up the chances of it being passed. Doesn't sound like a progressive hero to me.

If this guy is such a progressive lion, how come we've only heard anything from him in the past few years, when his dreams of being NY mayor were postponed?

[cui bono]

83. Screwed up chances of what being passed? And how?

I don't mind his ambition if he's fighting for what's right. That's a plus. But as I said before, I'd like it better if his colleagues felt he was working with them. I still don't think it's the same thing.

I haven't heard him publicly calling for one of the best progressive fighters out there to resign.

Still interested to know what he screwed up and how though.

[frylock]

109. read the salon piece

[ooglymoogly]

99. Spin cycle off. nt

[Ken Burch]

93. Not an image I wanted, but you do express it accurately.

(I'll NEVER look at "Rainbow Brite" in quite the same way after that, though.)

[QC]

27. That's one of the standard replies to heresy here,

along with:

1. He doesn't have a magic wand!
2. You never really supported the president!
3. You didn't listen during the campaign! and
4. Thank you for your concern!

[Ken Burch]

95. You could have replied "no...SHE prefers the Republicans!"

n/t.

[Enthusiast]

25. Here's what I'll say about her.

I'm done with her.

I don't want candidates that are acceptable to the GOP and their corporate allies.

Moving to the 'right' isn't going to help her in the eyes of the the people in the following polls.

[dotymed]

55. HELL, OUR PRESIDENT

Is to the RIGHT OF RICHARD NIXON and he is a Democrat?

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. Raul Garcia lost almost every precinct in the city he had been Mayor of

[tsuki]

64. I don't know who Raul Garcia is, but Raul Martinez won 42% of the

vote with no money and the DCCC "Red to Blue" chair working for Lincoln Diaz-Balart.

[Freddie Stubbs]

68. Martinez raised and spent over $1.8 million and lost by 16% of the vote

And Debbie Wasserman Schultz did not work for Diaz-Balart. That is not true.

[EFerrari]

5. No kidding. n/t

[mitchtv]

6. with leadership like this

it is no suprise when we lose

[seafan]

8. An unfortunate fact for many, I'm afraid.

Floridians who are paying attention, especially, have known about this state of affairs for a good while now.

[FLAprogressive]

10. Yep, I've been posting about DWS's dirty deeds here for a while and have gotten lambasted every time

[truebrit71]

44. Not from me...She is no friend to the progressives that's for sure...

...and I still haven't forgiven her for her behaviour during the primary '08 campaign

[Dappleganger]

78. +1000

And this is why I remain a NPA in this state.

[PassingFair]

11. Not to mention her overt double-dealing during the primaries...

Team Clinton with no pretense at fairness
of the process.

[lonestarnot]

12. She needs to put a sock in it.

[Mimosa]

13. K&R Too bad she was selected as Chair

I knew what she's like. I was depressed when she was selected to be in charge of the party. Her TV style is quite unpleasant too.

[suffragette]

14. I didn't realize how deep this went until I read your OP

K&R

[WCGreen]

15. She has never been a progressive....

she, and my old friend, the defeated FLA one term Congressperson, Ron Klien, take the Democrat party because if they ran as republicans in the primary they couldn't get elected...

Ron lost to bannano Wacko Allen West and Ron tried hard to get on the right side of West...

[FLAprogressive]

16. The South FL politicians (The lot of them) are pretty much awful....

....coincidentally, so are the ones in the rest of the state ('cept Alan Grayson). LOL

[tsuki]

17. No disagreement there. I am in the gerrymandered district from

Hell. Slices through 7 counties to get a GOP majority.

[FLAprogressive]

20. Rooney's?

[tsuki]

62. Sutherland's. What a T-Baggin' fool he is.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

71. She did little to help Ron Klein, and I don't understand it. She's a firebrand

when she wants to be, though. I like her much better than Kaine, who looks like he'll run against George "Macaca" Allen.

[Liquorice]

18. I like her, and I don't entirely believe the Tudor story went down the way he says it did. nt

[FLAprogressive]

21. Wow, a record amount of time before a "DWS can do no wrong" post.

[FLAprogressive]

22. dupe

[peacetalksforall]

19. Debbie DINO? Nothing surprises me. To believe I was wild about her

when she starated out.

[disillusioned73]

26. The more I here/see from her - the less I likey..

I'll give her some credit - so far she hasn't been an MIA DNC chair, like the last one. But she handled this fake controversy so poorly..

[bahrbearian]

28. When it comes to Weiners she can whip one out quick.

[Puglover]

30. Oh you noticed that too?

Charlie Pierce just said it best on Stephanie Miller. Democrats (including Obama) need to now shut up. They are the ones driving this. When it comes to throwing their own under the bus they are beyond contempt. And Wasserman is one of the worst of the bunch.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. Couldn't agree with you more! And I'm a Pug Lover, too!

I'm so sick and tired of a Democratic Party that isn't a Democratic Party anymore. I'm totally disenchanted with how they've handled the Anthony Weiner situation, or the economy, or health care reform, or the wars, or unemployment, or Rep. Grayson (lack of support), or the Cuban embargo, or holding law-breaking lawmakers to account, or that going after Charlie Rangel (must've been DWS behind the scenes), or the environment...on and on and on.

Sometimes it feels as if the Republicans are still in control. I would even venture to say, even with a Democrat in the WH and a Democratic majority in the Senate, they still are.

Yes, the Dems need to shut up now and get to work - and by work, I don't mean the Republicans' dirty work!

Oh, and I have two pugs. 1 8-year-old named Harley (given to us when he was 3 because his former family didn't like the shedding in their $2 million dollar home), and 1 1 1/2-year-old black pug named, Elvis. And a Chow chow who's alpha female.

[Puglover]

60. Aren't they wonderful dogs? A wee needy but a good needy.

And your friends can have their 2 million dollar pugless home. :hi:

[BlueCaliDem]

111. They are wonderful! Sometimes they're so human, even. lol

And those people aren't friends. They're clients, and it's their loss! My Harlequins is a true clown, and i can't think of ever being without my Big Boy.

[ooglymoogly]

100. +1...and by the by, pugs have never lost control of

any part of government. Bluedogs and DINO's like 0 and DWS are the aces up their sleeve to do their dirty work and to make fascism more palatable.

[BlueCaliDem]

112. It looks like you're being proven right, ooglymoogly. eom

[swilton]

67. And from a third pug lover

(with two right here on my lap) -
It really says something about the Democratic Party that she is its chair. Should we be surprised.

I always mistrust those who are so quick with the sound-bites - and that is all there is with her - a sharp tongue quick with the come-backs.

[IDemo]

31. She lost me during the primary

[certainot]

35. going after wiener when 1000 RW radio stations get your back nt

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

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[Skidmore]

40. +1

[femrap]

46. Wow....I didn't expect that. Thx. nt

[Puglover]

59. I'll be happy to respond to your post.

And if it earns me a spot on your ignore list so be it. But please, would you link to a post that says it's Wassermans fault that Wiener showed his weiner? Cause I don't see one.

Thanks.

[TheKentuckian]

65. She isn't being blamed for the pictures but her reaction to them.

That would be in the wheelhouse of her control.

[PatSeg]

37. Thanks for posting that

Every time I see her on TV, that post pops in my head, but I couldn't remember the details.

[Renew Deal]

38. She may not be perfect, but I'd take 435 Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's over some people in congress.

She is a great advocate for the Democratic party. I wasn't a Hillary supporter, but she did a terrific job for her.

[snooper2]

47. Yeah, that worked out real good

:)

[Honeycombe8]

39. I don't see any facts there. No reliable sources cited quoting Schultz.

I see only a one-sided view of a situation from someone who lost a race who is blaming the Dem. Party in part. That is par for the course. Doesn't mean it's not true. But that is a far cry from citing a reliable source that has a quote from Schultz on the matter.

I thought progressives were more discerning than that. I mean, we've seen this tactic used at Faux News for years. They don't cite facts; they quote someone who is purportedly a victim, and take everything that person says as fact.

I'll google this and see for myself.

[truebrit71]

43. Shulz was on teevee saying Weiner needed to go...

...not sure how much clearer that needed to be..??

[EFerrari]

45. There's too much to even get in one post. Just on one point,

from her Wiki entry:

On CBS's Face the Nation, she declared Sarah Palin to be unready for the Vice Presidency. “She knows nothing.... Quite honestly, the interview I saw and that Americans saw on Thursday and Friday was similar to when I didn’t read a book in high school and had to read the Cliff’s Notes and phone in my report,” Wasserman Schultz said of Palin’s interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson last week. “She’s Cliff-noted her performance so far.” Wasserman Schultz was also named a co-chair of the Democratic Party's Red to Blue congressional campaign group.<21> Controversy arose in March 2008 when she announced that she would be unable to campaign against South Florida Republican representatives Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinenbecause of her good friendship with them.<22> Wasserman Schultz aThend Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) are both on the LGBT Equality Caucus of which Wasserman Schultz is the Vice Chair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz


* * *

Two of the most corrupt, virulent RW hawks in the state.

[Dappleganger]

81. This Floridian doesn't need the Googlz to show her what side DWS stands on.

Floridians here have been warning about her for YEARS.

[truebrit71]

42. Very true....we jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire with the Kaine/Wasserman-Shulz change

...at the head of the DNC...

[ej510]

49. The democratic party has right wingers in the party and a lot of them.

[bertman]

48. I can't stand The Queen of the Vampires. She's the ultimate faux Democrat--pure DLC.

BUT, I have to say that Weiner deserves everything he's getting. I loved the guy when he was railing against the wars and for the PO and for Medicare/Social Security and for the Impeachment of Clarence Thomas, but how ARROGANT can someone be and still expect to have any respectability left? He's dug this grave for himself. Sure, Debbie will push him in, but he's been on the edge on his tiptoes ever since he decided to be Mr. Internet Exhibitionist.

Weiner could have been a HUGE plus for the Democratic party and for progressives but he CHOSE to be an arrogant, shortsighted dipshit. It's time for him to go and take the spotlight off of his idiocy.

Meanwhile, this coming election cycle, no dollars for Democrats from me unless they go directly to the campaign coffers of SOLID PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS. Not one red cent for Debbarella and her crew at the DNC.

[cascadiance]

87. She wants Weiner to go, but worked AGAINST us doing impeachment of REAL criminals in office!

There were many instances of her being vocal against impeachment of Bush and Cheney... Why can't these DLC types go after Republicans with the same fervor that they want to out progressive Dems?

Listen to Ed Schultz's interviews with her on impeachment of Cheney from back in 2007...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzqpN58PgqY - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxopFcWjxtA - Part 2

[bertman]

107. I remember when Kucinich finally got the House to hold a hearing on the possibility

of impeaching Bush and Cheney. Vampirella was doing her damndest to make sure no impeachment proceeding moved forward.

Watching Kucinich and Tammy Baldwin and several other strong impeachment advocates was so heartening, then we got Debbie DLC and her song and dance. She's disgusting.

[nankerphelge]

108. Only post in the lot that calls it correctly

Weiner has no one but himself to blame.

[neoralme]

50. I can't stand Debbie DINO. She needs to go.

[blackspade]

51. I'm definately not suprised.

She is even more 'republican' than Tim Kaine.

I'm so missing Howard Dean.....

[bvar22]

52. A "Reagan Democrat"... is the nicest thing I can say about her.

DINO

If you believe that the Democratic Party is Too Liberal,
then Wasserman-Schultz is perfect for you.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


"By their WORKS you will know them."

[avebury]

53. I am finally filing my paperwork to change my

voter registration to Independent. I am just as fed up by the Democrats as I am the Republicans and am sick and tired of them focusing their energy on sex scandals instead going after Clarence Thomas for intentionally filing false tax returns and having serious conflict of interests on health care legislation. I am fed up that they gave Bush and his gang a pass for lying us into the Iraq War and WMDs, approved the use of torture, and continued to give this country away to the uber-rich and Corporations while turning the mass majority of Americans into Serfs who exist to serve their masters. And they think that a sex scandal is more important?

[placton]

54. and, of course,

how Obama treats us

[Skidmore]

56. Not a huge Wasserman Schultz fan but I agree with her on this one.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. This was highly reported on DU during her last Congressional run and I don't know

why people don't get it. She is no friend to Liberals. Yet when she appears on tv and opens her mouth, it's as if flowers are flowing out for some people here, and I just don't get it.

I will often then point out in posts about her and those posts get ignored. It's easy to ignore the truth.

[H2O Man]

58. She bugs me.

It is evident that she is intelligent, and so I think her being more comfortable with republicans than with liberal or progressive Democrats is a conscious choice on her part. That's a shame, because if she was interested in advocating for democratic values, she could do a lot of good. Instead, she undercuts those Democratic values, and does the party a great deal of harm.

[cactusfractal]

61. Debbie Whatshername-Shutup needs to do exactly that.

I worked for Doug Tudor in FL-12 in 2008. We had ZERO party support. Not a dime. The DCCC turned its back to us. With a coordinated media campaign funded with real money, we might've taken down Opie Putnam or at least cost him a bunch of cash defending his seat. Debbie likes Adam. Debbie can go %^&$ herself.

[madrchsod]

63. i thought she`d be ok as a spokesperson but....

i heard her answer a soft ball question and she stuttered and stammered...oh well,nothing surprises me anymore

[AtomicKitten]

66. I'll stand up for Debbie W-S.

She was a HClinton supporter that showed nothing but grace when Pres O won the nomination. She pivoted and supported him unequivocally as the Democratic nominee. I have long admired her for that.

Both she and NPelosi made a judgment call on the AWeiner brouhaha that was perfectly understandable and commensurate with the conundrum at hand. I am in the Pres O camp on this, that it is ultimately up to AWeiner himself and his constituents.

But make no mistake, no Democrat takes joy in seeing AWeiner so compromised yet some are blaming everybody but AWeiner for his self-imposed predicament, and that doesn't pass the smell test.

[FSogol]

72. +1 N/T

[totodeinhere]

75. I have to laugh at people calling her a "DINO" as if they have a right to define who is a real

Democrat and who is not. I know that this particular forum is dominated by people from the left wing of the party, and that's fine. But remember that not all Democrats are progressives. This is a big tent party. And if we are going to start to say that only progressives are real democrats than we are going to lose a lot of elections.

[Bluebear]

77. I have to laugh that progressives are shunned by the Democratic leadership.

We're called retarded, fringe, etc.

So laugh it up!

[G_j]

80. what tent are you talking about?

at least from the Dem leadership perspective, progressives don't have a place in that tent.

[totodeinhere]

82. I don't know if that's true or not. But if it is then that means all the more that

moderates are real Democrats. Remember that I was responding to a poster who called Debbie Wasserman Schultz a DINO.

[cui bono]

86. The WH made that clear when we were told to STFU. n/t

[cui bono]

84. This board is NOT dominated by the left wing, far from it. It is centrist at best.

One can easily look up a politician's record and see how they voted. One can easily follow a politician in the media to see/hear what they proclaim in public. One can easily read about a politician and find out even more.

Conclusion: Once can easily determine where a politician lies on the left/right spectrum.


When Dems start putting forth past republican policies that help corporations and hurt the general population they are not following the party platform and are not true democrats. The Dem Party is now centrist and the republican party is now extreme right. Progressives have almost no representation any more.

[NorthCarolina]

96. GD:P is practically Republican. nt

[Ignis]

98. Too Easy! Compare their views/actions against the party platform.

:shrug:

We shouldn't let the "big tent" excuse all manner of sins.

[totodeinhere]

101. If we used the parity's platform as a litmus test, there would be very few Democrats left.

The platform is written at the convention and then promptly forgotten.

[Ignis]

102. Certainly few non-conservative Democratic politicians, at least.

Some of us remember campaign promises. I guess the rest vote for the lesser of two evils. :shrug:

[G_j]

79. K&R

[ElsewheresDaughter]

85. I concur...I'd take Wiener over a 100 Wasserman Shultz's any day of the week

[eleny]

88. +1

I like her to a point. But she does have that DLC connection that keeps me skeptical. I wasn't thrilled that she was selected to her newest position but wasn't surprised.

[Shagbark Hickory]

89. Not a fan. nt

[Ken Burch]

92. I still can't get my head around letting her have a job in the leadership

When she's protected Republican incumbents from Democratic challengers. Why would that NOT be an automatic deal-breaker?

It's not like she brings anything to the table that could ever make up for that.

[catgirl]

97. Except he's rabidly pro-Israel

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/13/984661/-TEN-REASONS-WEINER-SHOULD-RESIGN

not so progressive...

[totodeinhere]

103. I don't see any contradiction between being pro-Israel and progressivism.

Progressives fall on both sides of that debate. And many prominent Democrats have been pro-Israel over the years. In fact if it weren't for Democratic President Harry Truman's support for the establishment of Israel it probably wouldn't have happened.

[catgirl]

104. I repeat... rabidly pro-Israel

There is a huge contradiction when you want to oppress innocent people in order to blindly support
a hostile government.

[totodeinhere]

106. I'm sure that Rep. Weiner would not characterize his support for Israel in the way that you have.

And neither would I.

[catgirl]

110. And Weiner didn't send that photo... LOL

Read my link, then get back to me. Turning a blind eye to the facts doesn't solve anything.

[Ignis]

105. Wow. Thanks for the link.

Some very troubling comments from Weiner are contained therein. :(