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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 09:10 PM
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What Type of Country Would You Design?
Edited on Fri Jun-10-11 10:01 PM by 20score
Ideally, in a Democratic – Republic that question should more than academic, it should actually matter what the citizens think. During the Bush years I heard more than a few people suggest a Constitutional Convention in order to redirect the country’s trajectory. It scared the hell out of me for two reasons. One, we already had a good constitution that should have sufficed and the spirit of that constitution was already being routinely ignored. And two, with the heavy-handed propaganda that people are subjected to each day, we may have ended up with an authoritarian, semi-theocratic government that enshrined a third world economy as its very foundation.

Any layman can read the Constitution and come away with some very clear, concrete ideas that the Founding Fathers put into the document. They did not set up a theocracy, Christian or otherwise. They did not want unlimited power in the hands of one person. They left room for improvements and social changes that would inevitably come. And they wanted to form a great country that took into account the needs, of what in their limited view constituted full-fledged citizens, - thankfully that has been expanded – as laid out in the preamble.

In order to make improvements to the country, we have to agree on what makes up the country. There are many definitions, but for this article, I hope this will suffice. The country has three basic components. One is the government and the Constitution on which it was formed. Two, the land within the country’s borders. And three, the people who make up the citizenry. To me, an attack on one segment weakens the whole. Just like a three legged stool, all three legs must be sturdy in order for the stool to remain upright.

I ask this question because it seems to me as if there are millions in the country who are indifferent to or in favor of attacks on the Constitution. Warrantless wiretapping, the government reading our mail, warrantless searches. A law so secret we aren’t even allowed to know what the law is. (The secret PATRIOT Act.) The list goes on and on. The infringements on our freedom have been going on for decades with the Cold War and the War on Drugs making a mockery of our freedoms. Now with the War on Terror, or whatever the latest incarnation is being called, the erosion of freedoms has expanded exponentially. And while individuals are losing their freedom, corporations have expanded theirs. The FISA Amendment Act of 2008 allows immunity for corporations that had already broken existing laws. And as anyone who has had a disagreement with a large corporation can attest to, an individual’s rights pale in comparison to a corporation’s.

The next segment is the land the within the country’s borders, or the environment. Some seem downright hostile to the idea of regulations that allow for clean air or water, or to the idea of keeping some land pristine for future generations. I can truly understand wanting simplification of many government regulations, but that simplification shouldn’t mean weakening. Past generations and millions of citizens now believe that it is our duty to hold some land for future generations to enjoy and that the land we do use should be kept as clean as possible. Those ideals should be part of what makes up a good citizen. Why would anyone, like Rush Limbaugh for instance, intimate that it is un-American to want clean air/water or to keep some land in its original condition. Teddy Roosevelt, who would stand against people like Limbaugh in their attack on the environment, once spoke for an hour and a half with a bullet in his chest – sans oxycontin. Nuf said.

Now for the third segment of the country, the people. I rarely if ever hear someone say, “Screw everyone but me, I got mine.” But actions speak much louder than words. If it is of paramount importance to you, as it has been to the republicans in congress, to keep tax cuts for those who don’t need them, and second in line on your priority list is to cut services to those who do need them, something is terribly wrong with your priority list. There are people who have worked hard all their lives with almost nothing to show for it. But, they were promised by the government that their medical and basic needs would be taken care of when they could no longer do it themselves. There are also people who are not capable of taking care of themselves because of illness, injury or other reasons that no decent society should let fend for him or herself. And now, there are also added to those who need help, people who want to work, but through no fault of their own cannot find a job. Never in history have millions of people who were working, decided en masse to stop working because they thought it would be easier. The jobs aren’t there and it’s our problem to help them. And by doing the right thing by these people now, we will all benefit by a better economy in the future.

I ask the question in all seriousness. If you could choose how your country was run and choose how it acted, would you choose an authoritarian government? Would you save any land for future generations and would you try and keep what we do use clean? Would you divide the country into us and them? Would you give as many people as possible a decent life? Or would you fight against all those things?

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 09:15 PM
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1. Real governments are grown.
It's bottom up, not top down.
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 09:49 PM
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2. Great article!
Edited on Fri Jun-10-11 10:04 PM by punkin87
Made me think.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 05:02 PM
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23. Thanks!
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 09:53 PM
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3. I'd choose one with an all male, white workforce in a postwar economy as the
as the only industrial country able to create and export goods. Those were the good old days.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 10:07 PM
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4. K&R! Off to The Greatest Page with you!
:applause: :hi:
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 11:46 PM
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9. Thanks Rhiannon!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 01:45 AM
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11. Terrific post, my friend!
As usual... :hi:
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 10:59 AM
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19. You rock!
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 10:31 PM
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5. Food for thought, 20score!
K&R!

:hi:
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 06:48 AM
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15. Hello Suich!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 10:55 PM
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6. Golf would be a capital crime
The rest would just sort of develop organically as a benevolent dictatorship with me as president for life.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 11:28 PM
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7. K&R. (nt)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 11:29 PM
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8. Soviet style one party state with Marlo Thomas and friends as Politburo.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 11:58 PM
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10. secular democratic socialist republic :P
Edited on Fri Jun-10-11 11:58 PM by Vehl
Mine would be secular through and through when it comes to separation of church and state...in other words the separation of church and state would be absolute.
It would be democratic in the manner representatives would be elected
Socialist in the form of government run healthcare for all(private healthcare optional for those who prefer it), funding for great public education system, and nationwide mass transit.(ps: no tax breaks for the super wealthy, or mega corps...will be trickle up..not trickle down)
Last but not the least it would be a republic so the mob-rule would not/cannot dictate every aspect of one's life.


Oh...and as a personal preference I will make the national drink tea(black with milk and sugar please:P ) and the national game cricket :hide:



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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 02:14 AM
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12. Something more or less like Vermont, in a more temperate environment.
Vermont is nearly perfect, but I've had enough of cold winters, thank you.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 05:38 AM
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14. Much as I love my state (and even the winters) I can't see it translating
to a nation of hundreds of millions.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 08:53 AM
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18. Welcome to DU!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 06:55 AM
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16. One where people mattered and they knew the difference.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 07:00 AM
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17. Norway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

Norwegians enjoy the second highest GDP per-capita (after Luxembourg) and fourth highest GDP (PPP) per-capita in the world. Today, Norway ranks as the second wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. According to the CIA World Factbook, Norway is a net external creditor of debt. Norway maintained first place in the world in the UNDP Human Development Index (HDI) for six consecutive years (2001–2006),<2> and then reclaimed this position in 2009 and 2010.<11> Cost of living is about 30% higher in Norway than in the United States and 50% higher than the United Kingdom. The standard of living in Norway is among the highest in the world. Foreign Policy Magazine ranks Norway last in its Failed States Index for 2009, judging Norway to be the world's most well-functioning and stable country. Continued oil and gas exports coupled with a healthy economy and substantial accumulated wealth lead to a conclusion that Norway will remain among the richest countries in the world in the foreseeable future.

The Norwegian economy is an example of a mixed economy, a prosperous capitalist welfare state featuring a combination of free market activity and large state ownership in certain key sectors. The Norwegian welfare state makes public health care free (above a certain level), and parents have 46 weeks paid<66> parental leave. The income that the state receives from natural resources includes a significant contribution from petroleum production and the substantial and carefully managed income related to this sector. Norway has a very low unemployment rate, currently 3.1%.<67> 30% of the labour force are employed by the government, the highest in the OECD.<68> 22% are on welfare and 13% are too disabled to work, the highest proportions in the world.<69> The hourly productivity levels, as well as average hourly wages in Norway are among the highest in the world. The egalitarian values of the Norwegian society ensure that the wage difference between the lowest paid worker and the CEO of most companies is much smaller than in comparable western economies. This is also evident in Norway's low Gini coefficient.

Referendums in 1972 and 1994 indicated that the Norwegian people wished to remain outside the European Union (EU). However, Norway, together with Iceland and Liechtenstein, participates in the European Union's single market via the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement. The EEA Treaty between the European Union countries and the EFTA countries– transposed into Norwegian law via "EØS-loven"<70>– describes the procedures for implementing European Union rules in Norway and the other EFTA countries. This makes Norway a highly integrated member of most sectors of the EU internal market. However, some sectors, such as agriculture, oil and fish, are not wholly covered by the EEA Treaty. Norway has also acceded to the Schengen Agreement and several other intergovernmental agreements between the EU member states.

In 2011 there were approximately 883,000 people with immigrant background residing in Norway, or 17% of the total population. In 2010, the immigrant community grew by 57,000 which accounted for 90% of Norway's population growth while 27% of the newborns were of immigrant background. ... These statistics indicate that Norway's population is now 82.0% ethnic Norwegian, and falling quickly. Of the 12.2% of the population that is immigrant or children of two immigrants (which doesn't include the 5.7% of mixed birth), other Europeans are 5.8% of the total, Asians (including Pakistanis, Iraqis, and Turks) 4.3%, Africans 1.5%, and others 0.6%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway

Highly progressive income taxes, the introduction of value-added tax, and a wide variety of special surcharges and taxes made Norway one of the most heavily taxed economies in the world. Authorities particularly taxed discretionary spending, levying special taxes on automobiles, tobacco, alcohol, cosmetic items, and so on.

The primary purpose of the Norwegian tax system has been to raise revenue for public expenditures; but it is also viewed as a means to achieve social objectives, such as redistribution of income, reduction in alcohol and tobacco consumption, and as a disincentive against certain behaviors.

Trade with other countries represents 67% of Norway's GDP (in the US trade is 22% of GDP).

Norway ranks #3 (behind Sweden and Luxembourg) in the percentage of GDP that it sends abroad as aid (0.89%). (The US is at 0.17%.)
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 11:09 AM
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20. Ideally, I would install myself as a "Presidente Vitalicio".
A most benign dictator (such as myself) would obviously be the most efficient and beneficent form of government! :wow:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 11:11 AM
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21. Spherical. Put the capital in the center.
Geometrically, it makes the most sense.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 03:28 PM
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22. Kick
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 10:00 PM
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24. Great question. n/t
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