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AlanCranston Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:07 PM
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does Scott Brown's success in Massachusetts give you hope...
in states like Texas or Georgia where a democratic senator in the right circumstance could be elected? I think John Barrow could be a good candidate to take on Saxby in 2014 and Gene Green would be a good candidate in 2012 for the open senate seat. Assuming Brown wins in 2012 (which many polls suggest he will), I think it shows that just because it is a red state or blue state doesn't necessarily mean one should write off the election.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:10 PM
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1. That's why Dr. Dean's 50-state strategy worked beautifully
Every state's in play. In both instances where Dr. Dean's strategy was used, we wound up with majorities in both houses of Congress.

Sadly, that strategy is under the bus keeping the good Dr. Dean company. And the results speak for themselves.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:16 PM
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5. I love Dr. Dean, but let's be honest. While that strategy helped us get more Democrats,
we actually got more BLUE DOG Democrats.
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AlanCranston Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:17 PM
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6. well Scott Brown is basically the republican equivalent of a
blue dog. His ACU rating is about 74. He's basically the republican version of someone like Bill Nelson.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:18 PM
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7. Better a Blue Dog Dem than a Republican
No? Then we could at least drift towards the right direction.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 11:07 PM
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11. The Blue Dogs were Obama's biggest obstruction in the Senate.
I don't think there's that much of a difference. On the big item tickets, yes, we can count on them to cast the correct votes. However, they stand with the Republicans on a host of issues.

Democrats are angry that Obama didn't get the public option through. That, my friend, was precisely due to the Blue Dogs in the Senate.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 11:03 PM
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10. That's exactly the kind of Dem we need in the places the OP is talking about.
I don't see Kucinich winning in Texas.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 11:08 PM
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12. O.K., but don't blame the president for not having more progressive policies.
We can't have it both ways. If we get Blue Dogs, expect them not to be aggressive on change due to the kind of political environment that they came from.

But, if we really want Obama to affect change, we have to accept that that change will come slowly because Blue Dogs don't want it.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:11 PM
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2. First you need to convince the repuke candidate to go on VACATION during the campaign
:grr: :banghead: :argh: :nuke:

Also, that was an open seat, in a low-turnout special election. Knocking off an incumbent like Saxby Worthless is another matter entirely.
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AlanCranston Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:15 PM
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4. okay a better example would be the Texas open senate seat
Texas is sort of the republican equivalent of Massachusetts. A democrat can probably win a statewide office, but they have to be a special kind of democrat who can bring together odd coalition between inner city minorities, populist farmers, and independent minded suburbanites upset with the GOP's stance on social issues.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:11 PM
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3. Lets get funnier then that.
How about Bar Rack for a pool game.

Or Newt.

Or for Biden

or the thousands of other words.

Dick and Bush

Boener

How many more you want.

Or try to explain why I am born month + day = 37 and with year century it = 123

And that is the longitude latitude of bay area where my family lived for many years in Redwood city.


You want to play word games, what does that accomplish, and how does that correct that I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences.




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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:23 PM
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8. Nope!
Edited on Thu Jun-09-11 10:27 PM by Newest Reality
At this stage, all that could give me what people call hope, (and might even morph into certainty) is aliens landing and demonstrating, scientifically, philosophically and spiritually how we have got the Universe and life wrong and why we are in this current, self-destructive predicament where our sociopaths lead us into extinction because profit has a sweet, sexy, irresistible scent and we are all obliged to follow the path of total doom after massive, worldwide suffering is enacted to a degree that makes Hell seem like a luxury resort.

Politics? Yeah, right. Where have I heard that solution before? My criteria: who has been winning most and who has been losing all for the past thirty years, (not to mention the rest of history)? Results and circumstances transcend concepts.

If I have it right, from my youth, this should be a George Jetson world for all of us, as the popular rags used to foist upon us in the day. It has become almost exactly the opposite and even the Flintstones lived better than where many of us are and in relation to where we are clearly heading as a new, Third-World country.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:54 PM
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9. Sure thing.
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