Did it strike anyone else

[polmaven]

what a sexist show Morning Joe was today?

Joe and Mika were not on set this morning, and the only woman guest was obviously taped yesterday. During the show, Willie, Mike Barnacle and Pat Buchanan talked about "guys" who do this or that. The discussion with a doctor from Operation Mend, and the leader of the Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, "guys" are injured, and need this program. Only the doctor even mentioned injured men and women. Otherwise, it was a real men's club meeting.

Bet you didn't know that the economy is disliked by "guys" filling up their gas tanks and "guys" supporting their families. I guess none of them learned anything at all from the show last week about women's importance in the country.

Sorry...Just felt the need to rant a little. I'm going to e-mail the show too. It was insulting, IMO.

Rant over, for now.

[monmouth]

1. I watched for a few minute and must say without Joe or Mika, it was

not too bad. I watched the former Dem. Press Corps guy who held his own quite well. Willie, unfortunately, is becoming just like Joe....ugh.

[pinboy3niner]

2. And that's without Joe's constant condescension toward Mika

He's turned mockery of Mika's issues into a running gag on the show when they are there.

[The Doctor.]

4. He's just a total scumbag.

No question; he's a sexist pig.

He was also a congressional Republican, being a pig is a requisite for the job.

[The Doctor.]

3. 'Guys' is often used generically by men AND women,

to indicate 'people'.

I walk into a friend's party, there are 4 men and 5 women in the room. I say, "Hey, any of you guys seen Peter?". All of them shake their heads except Karen who says; "Yeah, I think he said he was going to the store."

I know that it's wrong to give men the benefit of the doubt around here. I also know that every third episode of "The View" could be found objectionable by any man who chooses to find it so. But I'm suggesting that you are seeing an intention that simply wasn't there.

I didn't see the show, so if more happened than you described then I've obviously missed something.

Now, I'm sure, everyone is going to tell me what a bad person I am.

[polmaven]

5. I do understand the use

of "guys" generically, and do use it myself in that way. You would have had to see the show, though, to have seen the way it was used. It was NOT a generic use. The use of the words "he" and "him" in the same sentences kind of gave it away. As I said....only the doctor used the words "men and women" as having been injured in the wars. He actually said it twice. The others all simply used "guys". It was very obvious.

As far as giving men the benefit of the doubt "around here"......I often find it hard to do so. I am sometimes astonished by the sexism on a progressive site. Sometimes it may be unwitting, or unintended, but it is certainly there.

[The Doctor.]

6. I can certainly understand.

I didn't see the show, so I can't know.

I do, on the other hand, see many unfounded cries of 'misogyny!' and 'sexism!' on DU where there is actually none at all.
I remember someone being accused of 'sexism' because they posted an unflattering picture of Hilary Clinton. I was called a sexist because I asked just how posting a picture of her was any more 'sexist' than posting an unflattering picture of a man.

It appeared that this might have been something similar, but I'll take your word for it.