We may not realize it yet but the revolution will start in Wisconsin...

[kentuck]

Maybe it has already started?

Maybe it will be Madison or maybe someplace else?

But if there is one place that is ripe for change, it is Wisconsin. With a renegade Republican elected as Governor, with a complicit Legislature, with all intent to destroy the unions and to give as many tax breaks to the wealthy as possible, and to cut as many government programs as possible, the game is already in play.

It is simmering. It has not died. If the Governor is not recalled and if there are not needed changes in that state government, the people will take matters into their own hands, in my opinion. Change is coming whether the Republicans like it or not. The people will not be treated in the manner the Republicans are attempting to treat them.

Those of us that do not live in Wisconsin can still pick up the vibes. We do not know what form it might take but a "revolution" is on the way. There will be change.

[rateyes]

1. I agree. I've said the same thing several times here.

Be prepared to be told you are having a pipe dream.

I'm with you.

The peasants will revolt when they can no longer feed their children. And, that day is coming quickly because our government refuses to spend its way out of this recession with more policies like FDR put in place.

It's coming.

[dkf]

13. We can't feed our kids? Don't we have food stamps?

School breakfast and lunch programs? Are kids really starving?

[loudsue]

20. No. Food stamps are getting harder & harder to get under republican governors and legislatures.

And many of the kids that need the school breakfast & lunch programs are being denied those, too, due to state budget cuts. There are really hungry kids in this country, and the republicans follow the "let them eat cake" philosophy.

[elocs]

2. If the recalls fail, including Walker, the revolution may end here also.

There is no reason they should fail (where winning is possible) if everyone pulls together and gets out and votes. No excuses.

[kentuck]

3. I hope that will not be the case that they fail...

I cannot imagine another option.

[elocs]

8. If the recall against Walker fails there will be hell to pay for that failure here.

Walker will view it as a mandate for his policies and if Democrats do not take control of the Senate in those recall elections it will be bad with no check on the governor whatsoever. I hate to see what this state would be like then come 2014 when Walker would be up for reelection.

[murielm99]

6. It could fail. I dread this.

There will be so much big money and media on his side that it will be ridiculous.

Keep fighting. If the recall does fail, I think there are other options, peaceful ones.

Work hard on those senate recalls, too. And keep Walker tied up in court as much as possible.

Please, please win!

[elocs]

9. It will take hard and persistent work, and people must vote. No excuses.

There is a call-in show on Wisconsin Public Radio on Friday mornings that has a Democratic political supporter and a Republican one and they discuss the news of the past week.

At the end of last Friday's show came a question about Walker's ending collective bargaining for public employees. Well, you can guess what the Democrat said, but what about the Republican?

As it turns out, the Republican was a public employee and had been one for many years. He also ran for Congress as a Republican and on this particular issue he agreed totally with the Democrat.

The point is that not all public employee union members are Democrats. Many are Republicans and Independents and they don't like what Walker has been trying to do and hopefully they will support the recall as well.

Make no mistake though, if Walker loses a recall election here in Wisconsin that will be a political shot heard around the nation.

[socialist_n_TN]

7. After that stolen SC election you still think that?

As Stalin said, it's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the vote. I have a feeling it'll be Republicans who count the votes in Wisconsin.

[elocs]

15. Let me clue you in on something you might not know: Republicans are not omnipotent.

They cannot steal elections at will. If you actually believe they are that all powerful, then why not give up right now and save the effort?

Here in Wisconsin we have elected many, many Democrats: we have controlled the governorship and both houses of the legislature; we have Democratic members of Congress, including Ron Kind in my district; we have elected members of the Senate and until this year both of our Senators (Feingold and Kohl)were Democrats.

Yes, the state Supreme Court election results and recount did not look good in Waukesha County, but here is another clue: Wisconsin is more than Waukesha. Here in La Crosse, Koppenberg won with 57% of the vote. We have Republicans here as well, so why didn't they steal the election here? Too tired?

Frankly I get tired of hearing Democrats constantly claim to be victims, that whenever a close election is lost is has to be stolen. If an election was actually stolen, then prove it. But if Republicans are able to continually steal elections from Democrats with impunity and with no consequences or convictions, then it just makes Democrats look like powerless crybabies, patsies, and fools.

The answer to not losing close elections: GET OUT THE VOTE!!!! No snits about being unhappy with Obama or not being motivated or being busy or anything else. There are no excuses for not voting. If Democrats had voted in the same numbers as Republicans did here last November, Walker would have been crushed and Feingold would have easily been reelected.

[socialist_n_TN]

22. I'm a revolutionary Marxist and I still vote

because I want to be able to show that voting doesn't matter that much. I don't want anybody saying what you'd say, "We'd have won if you had voted." Even though when I vote I have to decide between corporate candidate A and corporate candidate B and I KNOW that nothing's ever going to change between those choices. You're the one blaming the victims (Dems and the working class in Wisconsin) for not voting. Something is VERY wrong with the electoral system when the corporate party has to turn out 10%+ MORE voters in order to overcome the electoral fraud of the fascist party AND they still get blamed because they only turned out 9% more voters.

After the stolen elections of '00, '04, and your SC elections Dems ARE powerless crybabies, patsies, and fools BECAUSE THEY ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN WITHOUT A MURMUR. Until they stand up and not ALLOW the things that happened in Waukesha County, that's what they'll be.

As to what's happened in the past, even you should have noticed that the electoral fraud is getting worse every cycle. Indeed the assault on the working class OVERALL is getting worse every day. The fascist party might NOT be omnipotent, but they're sure going to ACT like it until we stop them. That's what fascists DO.

[elocs]

23. It's time Democrats STOP BEING THE VICTIMS when it comes to electoral fraud or funny business.

Either do something or STFU. But I still contend that Republicans are not omnipotent and really only close elections can be stolen. If we get out the vote we can overwhelm them with sheer numbers.

If the SC election was stolen here in Wisconsin, then prove it or shut up. Accusations are easy to make and if you continually allow your pocket to be picked without doing anything other than cry about it then you do look like a chump.

Yes, I do blame Democrats for not voting and they are the ones who proclaim themselves as victims when a close election is lost. It's a lot easier to do that then to get out there and cast a vote. Really, it makes us look pathetic. If you choose not to vote, then don't cry about the results. Last November, Republicans turned out to vote here and Democrats did not in the same % of their numbers. Not hard to predict the result then.

[Canuckistanian]

12. How can the recalls fail?

Last I heard, some recall petitions got TWICE the needed signatures. And there are more to come, including the big one next year with Walker himself.

THAT, I predict, will be a BIG message.

[socialist_n_TN]

14. The recalls can fail because the people that signed

the petitions don't count the votes. People like Kathy Nichlous (sp?) count the votes.

[FiveGoodMen]

24. A bunch of overlooked votes will suddenly appear just after the Dem narrowly wins.

[Canuckistanian]

25. LOL

And done by a little old lady who had NO IDEA she was breaking election laws.

[Odin2005]

4. But it will not be televised!

:)

[socialist_n_TN]

5. I believe we have already missed one opportunity

in Wisconsin. That talk of a general strike, even if it was just blowing smoke, was the first I had EVER heard of in this country in my whole almost 60 year old life. Just TALKING about it was a pretty radical move. And it would have spread I'm convinced of that. Maybe not nationwide, but the upper midwest for sure. Then the "representatives" of the workers in Wisconsin decided to go the electoral route.

I guess the point is that I agree with you. It'll take something pretty egregious to kick it off again like it was in February and March, but that's probably coming to. I don't think that Walker and his toadies will be satisfied by what they've done so far. Also, the spark might come from the recall elections. I SERIOUSLY doubt that they'll be fairly administered.

So yes, I agree. Watch Wisconsin closely.

[madmax]

10. I can't think of another state that would have the

nads to go for it and get it done. Love you Cheeseheads! :applause:

[cali]

17. that state elected him and all the asswipes in the House and Senate

looks like there are plenty of tea party cheeseheads to me.

[madmax]

26. Me thinks that maybe they've seen the light.

Dunno. :(

[undeterred]

11. Madison is always ready for a revolution...

come on over... :hi: thats what we're here for :grouphug:

[Scuba]

16. These People are ready....

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[blindpig]

18. Trading Ds for Rs is hardly a revolution.

Both are capitalist parties. A palace revolution at best.

[madmax]

27. Bernie, Bernie!! nt

[femrap]

19. I believe it has already started.....

A friend sent this to me last night. Bill Cunningham is a Strict Right-Wing radio dude and he is talking about OH's new Repugnant Gov, King Kasich:

http://www.progressohio.org/blog/2011/06/right-wing-talker-bill-cunningham-threatens-intifada-against-kasich-the-first.html


Possibly the Right has gone too far by becoming Koch-suckers!

[Le Taz Hot]

21. I think it's already started.

There's a lull at the moment but things will pick up again by the recall.

[AuntPatsy]

28. I hope so....