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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:04 PM Original message |
Arne Duncan criticizes Diane Ravitch...says she is insulting teachers, principals, and students. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. Arne Duncan "mild mannered". Yeah, first thing I think of w/Duncan is Mr. Rogers. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Duncan is like the boss in OFFICE SPACE, a soulless corporate drone. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. I've learned over the past few years that I wouldn't piss on Alter if he was on fire and I was about |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. ditto n/t |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. President Obama has made too any bad choices in his |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. +1 |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Yes, Arne is only one bad choice of many. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
32. They were only bad choices |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. +1000. nt |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. It sounds like you are criticizing Arne Duncan. n/t |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Duncan deserves all the criticism thrown at him and more. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. Who's worse, Arne Duncan or Jonathan Alter? |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. The Angry Dragon has always thought that education is |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. Zealots and True Believers. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. I'm a teacher. And Arne Duncan insults me. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Yes, I honestly believe he thinks teachers are stupid or not very bright. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Which only goes to show how out of touch he is with the |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. +1 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. 'we don't get mechanics to tell doctors how to practice medicine.' |
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roxiejules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
70. The corporatization of schools |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. In Arne World |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. oh, he understands what he is doing... |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. As a parent, he insults me as well. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. What does Gates know about education? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Gates knows that teachers don't get better after 3 years. LOL |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 06:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
59. That comes from his personal experience |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. "Phony empiricism"-lol |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. Nothing to do but vomit whenever arne's name comes up. |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. this is good news |
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Monarda (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
57. This is exactly right. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
19. hmph |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Not only that, but Obama is not a product of U.S. public schools |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. The real ignore list |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Yes, |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. LOL, I know just who you mean. I don't have |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Well, |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I don't know if I'm making a difference as far as THEIR opinion |
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radhika (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
23. I"m a Teacher: Ravitch has never insulted me...but |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 02:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
58. hear fucking hear |
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YBR31 (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
24. This like everything else is not black & white |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Welcome to DU.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Trust me, the "reformers" like Arne do not put the children first. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Here's a bit about what's going on in Chicago with Rahm. |
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radhika (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Some differences among non-profits.... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Arne should be asked at every press conference: why do you listen billionaires who stand to make a |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. ridiculous hours, huh? |
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Riley18 (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Arne and Gates are clearly putting profit first. They do not |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Religious views are already being taught in FL paid for by taxpayers. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
25. Arne is projecting, and he does as good a job of projecting as anybody in the Bush administraiton |
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Orlandodem (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
27. The more Arne talks, the less likely I am to vote for Obama. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
28. Her real crime: |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
29. Why doesn't he just ask the teachers? |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
37. Another great OP. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. .... |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Tragically that seems more likely by the day. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. FL teachers just lost the right to collective bargaining. |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. All I can do is shake my head in disgust. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
40. Love it! Salon points out that Bloomberg's opinion page goes after his critic, Ravitch. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. TRANSLATION: Ravitch is being heard and having an effect. The theft of public education is being |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Yes, exactly. She is obviously being heard and they want no |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. And waking some parents up! Bill Gates and Arne Duncan don't care about kids. They care about unions |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I think Gates has the most cynical motive of all. Once schools are totally dysfunctional, how will |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Micorsoft is a huge player in the online learning formats. They have been |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
48. k & r |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. Arne is an asshole |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
60. As an aside, she was married for many years to Dick Ravitch |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. and it's clear that the ''reformers'' want teachers who are short term temps--and somehow think |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. What's clear is that they have never taught, are stupid, and/or |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. except for the way commodities traders care about corn, wheat, or pork bellies. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. True that. To them, kids lives are a commodity. |
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