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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:07 AM
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Poll question: Who had more influence on American Political Thought? Calvin or Knox?


Jean Calvin



John Knox

I would have to say Knox all the way - sure Calvin was a workaholic, and expected everyone else to be as well - but Knox was that classic angry old man, telling the kids to get off his lawn, theologically speaking of course.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:11 AM
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1. First Blast of the Trumpet against the Monstrous Regiment of Women
Anyone who can think of a title like that was an, um, exceptional man.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:13 AM
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2. Calvin and Hobbes
Geez....


Lessons in Political Economy

The Wisdom of Calvin and Hobbes

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/political-economy-of-calvin-and-hobbes-1.




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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:15 AM
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3. God I loved that comic
Do you remember when the comics page actually had something good besides Doonsebury?

Bloom County, Calvin and Hobbes, Peanuts, etc...

All with the most wry social commentary
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:22 AM
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5. Calvin was a selfish, narcissistic, egotistical little boy
who grew up and now works for the ruling class.
Either for the GOP, Banksters, MIC or the DLC.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:25 AM
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6. Working for? How about running the show...
Someone with that much early prescience is a perfect candidate for management: smart enough to learn the rules early, cynical enough to profit from them.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:38 AM
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10. Calvin exemplars American Political thought
in the 2010's from Wall Street to the Washington more than
those you choose. I've read both at the University but I'd have to say they are antiquated and are almost irrelevant to modern American political thought and practice.

I wish Hobbes was more like today's American political thought.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:21 AM
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4. I have to say Calvin, for his Doctrine of Election.
That has been the justification of a helluva lot of abuses by the rich. God loves them because they're rich, and they're rich because God chose them to be so.

I've always though that lay at the heart of American capitalism.

Knox was just an old sourpuss, even though he was also a predestinarian, too.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:27 AM
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7. Aye, true that laddy...
Doctrine of Election is a big thing at the core of America's state of mind

"I am rich because I deserve it!"

Funny how Machiavelli took the same concept, turned it around and built it around will

"I am rich because I can!"

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:37 AM
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8. Aye, and as a Scotsman my own self, I'd like to root for
Knox, but facts are as they are.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:38 AM
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9. Wasn't Knox a student of sorts of Calvin?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:42 AM
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11. He was, but where Calvin was for the rich 'elect'
Knox was for the poor 'soon-to-be-elect'

As in, "If you work hard and show loyalty and stay off my goddamn lawn, you shall become the elect."
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mysuzuki2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:49 AM
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12. Definitely Calvin Klein.
Although I did like the Buddy Knox song "Party Gal".
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