opposition to Afghanistan war remains high

[meow mix]

CNN Poll: U.S. opposition to Afghanistan war remains high

More than six in ten Americans oppose the U.S. war in Afghanistan, according to a new national poll. And a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Thursday also indicates that 56 percent of the public believes that things are going badly for the U.S. in Afghanistan.
Full poll results

Sixty-three percent of people questioned in the poll say they oppose the war, with 35 percent saying they support the U.S. mission in Afghanistan.


http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/03/cnn-poll-u-s-opposition-to-afghanistan-war-remains-high/


we must compromise and triangulate our way out, good thing we have a 11 dimensional chess ninja

[midnight]

1. Americans love peace.....

[Kolesar]

2. This is bush's fault & Gen. McCrystal oversold his war plan, to put it mildly

I heard that there are only about 100 real, Al Qaida fighters in that country.

[obxhead]

3. That is half the story.

It is Obama's fault for continuing and escalating the war. It is his choice and he owns it now because of that choice.

[Kolesar]

6. No, it's bush's fault...eom

[obxhead]

11. So the escalation of the Afghan war is Bush's fault.

He was picking up dog shit on the lawn when that decision was made. Obama was in the WH.

[dkf]

4. It's all about Pakistan.

What is scary is they just assassinated a moderate Pakistani government official who was trying to save a woman condemned to committing blasphemy. Say what you will about freedom of religion, stuff like that is scary.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. They're finally coming to terms with the fact that we lost...again.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. I don't know which is more incongruous

The fact that you signature says what it says and

yet you use the pronoun "we" in "we lost"

or the fact that you have a flag for your avatar.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. "We" as in America. It's a symbol, not a flag.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. Yes, it NEVER appears as a flag being waved by anyone

and of course you consider yourself an American.

Just one who disapproves of its history, its conduct and its goals and would see its entire system of government replaced.
Certainly the merits of those arguments can be debated in turn but do you REALLY consider yourself a part of America? Is there anything "American" (whatever that might mean) that you wouold stand up and say, "Yes, whatever sins there may be herein we find a virtue and I take common cause with it and proudly so!"

Or is it just a few lines on a map where a bunch of people you disagree with happen to live?

Personally, I find the term American-anarchist to be a contradiction in terms. Maybe I misunderstand anarchist but claiming common cause with any nation, simply for the fact that it is a nation, to be incongruous. That is why I don't understand your usage of "we" because it is self-including.

Of course anarchists do wave flags and so that is just as incongruous. They aren't against causes. Just causes that aren't their cause. I understand they believe their cause is the better cause. I'm cool with that. Less nationalism seems to intuitively lead to less destructive profiteering and fewer, less-destructive tribalist wars, but it is cause just like the rank-and-file Tea partiers have a cause. I'm sure their pretty confident in their paradigm too. I'm sure they believe a strong military will lead to fewer wars as no one would want to challenge a super-power. I happen to think books will "neurtalize" far more enemies than bombs. So we have 1 issue, 3 groups, 3 opinions.


I guess my pinging on the word "we" is just semantics. It just struck me funny is all. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to bust on you, honestly. Just list me with the Cynical party.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. No offense taken.

I am an American by birth. My mother emigrated here from England when she was a kid. I consider myself "part of America" because I live here. I would consider myself "part of Burundi" if I lived there. Beyond that, I owe it nothing, nor do I feel compelled to defend it. That ended when they wanted me to extend my enlistment and go to Vietnam to kill people I didn't know, had nothing against, and probably would have had a lot in common with.

Gandhi was Anarchist who considered himself to an Indian. Tolstoy was an Anarchist who considered himself to be a Russian. I have a feeling their devotion to "their" countries was as tenuous as mine is to this one.

I agree with Schopenhauer's assessment of patriotism. "Patriotism is the most foolish of passions and the passion of fools." I also think that idea of dying, or more aptly, killing for something as nebulous as "my country" repulsive and insulting.

"Freedom is the absolute right of all adult men and women to seek permission for their actions only from their own conscience and reason, and to be determined in their actions only by their own will, and consequently to be responsible only to themselves, and then to the society to which they belong, but only insofar as they have made a free decision to belong to it." Mikhail Bakunin

[KG]

12. but, somehow, obama's going to get it right this time.

oy. :eyes: