Tom Tomorrow: The Slow Boil (Whistleblowers & The National Surveillance State)

[Hissyspit]

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[xchrom]

2. Recommend

[Angry Dragon]

3. Transparency

Gotta love it

[obxhead]

30. Unfortunately, it's only being found in the "toons"

x(

[WillyT]

4. HUGE K & R !!!

:applause::applause::applause:

:kick:

[BluDogsRPubs]

5. Sadly

Too Many will not get it.

[Zorra]

15. Yep. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[mlevans]

29. We don't get it because the picture doesn't show up.

[DirkGently]

6. Tom Tomorrow rides the national zeitgeist again. Always bang-on.

[nashville_brook]

7. kickety reckety

[gratuitous]

8. Frogs don't sweat

There! I've totally discredited this silly cartoon, which isn't sensible in the least, and you people should be ashamed of yourselves for wanting John McCain to be president! Hope! Change! Not my fault you weren't paying attention to Candidate Obama, and heard only what he was saying.

[nilram]

17. +1. I've support you, and validate your opinion!

That makes it true -- this is the internets! Everyone knows that frogs don't sweat!

[liberation]

23. Poppycock!

Nothing in the interwebs is validated unless the author of the claim offers blue links to previous posts by him or her as proof, as stated by the properties of the only real kind of reasoning: circular.


Amen.

[Wilms]

9. .

[truth2power]

25. Heh heh...Guess one has to sneak these things in. 'Cause it's not like

we can ask questions about stuff. I mean critical thinking is about asking questions, sometimes inconvenient ones.

Oops......forget I said that. :eyes:

[villager]

10. It's those frogs who keep apologizing for the surveillance ("but we like boiling water now!") ...

...that you gotta watch out for!

[DirkGently]

20. You having nothing to fear from the boiling water, if you are pure & chaste. Or something.

[QC]

11. K&R

[OnyxCollie]

12. When constitutional scholar/Senator/Presidential candidate

Barack Obama voted for cloture on the FISA debate, it was clear the Rubicon had been crossed.

[sabrina 1]

13. Yes, that was a shock, at the time. Especially after his

speech on the very same subject.

What are they afraid of, really? Do they even care what we think anymore? If everything that has been exposed so far hasn't caused them any problems, what could there possibly be that we don't know that they don't want us to know?

[OnyxCollie]

18. They don't want us to know what is going to happen next.

Don't be mistaken- All the things that have happened have come at a cost. Soon it will be time to pay the price.

Shield your eyes. This is going to be one of those "flip-the-board-over" moments. (Funny thought just came to me: The rapture guy might be vindicated. "See, I was off by just a couple of days...")

Get ready for the paradigm shift.

Watch the Great Lakes states. Those Republican governors are going to light right up.

The future is Benton Harbor.

The SCOTUS has done its work:

Narrowing the honest services act

AT&T Mobility LLC v. Concepcion

I could write more, but I need to wake up in five hours.

[Enthusiast]

36. Really,

they do not appear to care even a tiny bit what we think. Something is fundamentally messed up in this country. Democrats attacking unions? Democrats proposing cutting medicare and social security. Democrats firmly against transparency. Democrats against whistle blowers and consumer protection. WTF?

And they don't even care at all about this:

[villager]

14. Our constitution-bashing scholar's "strong support" got the "Patriot" Act extended in the Senate

...this evening. It will pass the House then get Mr. Constitution's signature.

Perhaps he studied it to learn effective ways to keep dismantling it?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1162309&mesg_id=1162322

[whatchamacallit]

16. I don't know what's more stunning

the transformation happening right before our eyes, or the denial of its gravity. :banghead:

[Fuddnik]

19. De Nile is a river in Egypt, and gravity is just a theory.

So there!

Why do you hate America?

[eilen]

28. Gee, what's with all the "complain-o-crats"?

Don't they know Ireland loves our President? The world thinks he's the shit, boy are Americans dumb.

[Enthusiast]

37. Stunning it is!

It is like an attack on the very fabric of the nation.

[defendandprotect]

21. "National Security State" has been with us since I guess Nixon ... ?

And now with the Patriot Act -- the extention of which we're hearing little

about at DU -- it's even more horrendous and ominous.

Americans have to understand that this is about controlling the population --

as torture is about controlling the population --


Secret government, torture and wiretapping do not deliver democracy -- they

are the tools of dictatorships.

[liberation]

24. Way before Nixon.

People were prosecuted for belonging to the wrong kind of party well before Nixon, and even before that American people were shot by American troops on American soil for interfering with corporate well being, and before that people were exterminated for having crossed the Bering straight before the White man crossed the Atlantic, while people were being snatched from another continent and forced to work for free to provide this country with its first large capital injection from agriculture.

We love to think this country has always been something else, when it has always being the same: an engine of capital production and transformation. Every major policy/event in this country, almost from day 1, has been based first and foremost around capital. Even the patriot act and anti-wishtle blowing stances by this administration.

[defendandprotect]

31. Right -- McCarthy Era .... MIC ....

Hard to say when it actually became so organized and technological --

What is being done now with FISA/wiretapping wasn't possible during Nixon's

time because there was no internet. But, it was happening.


Keep on tellin' it!!

:)

[Romulox]

22. Those frogs should allow themselves to boil to death...for the good of the TEAM!

:shrug:

[Uncle Joe]

26. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. This administration has produced a great recipe for frog soup.

Entice frogs with an attractive pot.

Display an unattractive pot as the only alternative.

Reassure the frogs that becoming soup is for their own good.

[justabob]

32. well said nt

[villager]

34. indeed. Does that make this a "+2?"

;-)

[Enthusiast]

38. Yeah.

Make the alternative utterly repulsive. They did a fabulous job with that.

[colsohlibgal]

33. Nice!

It's these kind of pesky details that the apologists like to ignore or gloss over.

[Enthusiast]

35. I do not understand Obama's position

on this. It does not compute. Danger Will Robinson!