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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:12 PM
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I was inspired by a couple of posts today and I moved out if my comfort zone
Edited on Sun May-22-11 11:17 PM by glowing
Normally, I don't like to assume anything about anyone and there particular situation.. But the posts of the hot dog guys and the 62 yr old hitchhiker inspired me to push past ignore... There were 2 kids @ the gas station sitting... I thought at first they may be waiting in a ride... But then I noticed the boy was holding a black garbage bag.. And the girl had a look in her eyes. So, I went in, bought cigarettes of all things.., thinking about my 17hr shift and how I'm tired and hungry...

Anyway, when I went to back to the car, they were still sitting in the sidewalk nearby. I asked if they might need a ride. I figured it would be casual enough to figure out why they were there and not cause embarrassment by them. I guess the boy saw enough kindness and trust in me to say, "no we don't need a ride, just need some money to eat.". I only had $5.00 and hubby had debit card or I would have marched them inside of the conveniece store/ gas station to stock them up... I gave them the $5 and said I wish I had more on me. I noticed they had a lighter.. So I asked if they smoked.. And he said if u don't mind a couple would be great. I gave them a whole pack. Honestly, you would have thought u was handing these 2 kids gold. They couldn't have been older than 19. Babies!! Stuck in Florida of all lovely places with nothing.

Our govt can find money to bomb people, but can't afford to give these kids a place to shelter so they have a chance to begin life? They can't collect unemployment, no babies, no address for food stamps or to clean... Can't we buy cheaper hammers and screws at the pentagon to make people whole? And while u would have thought that I handed these kids a winning lottery ticket, I'm pissed that I don't have more money to go put them in a hotel for a couple of weeks, buy them a bus pass, groceries, clothes, and take them around to get a McJob... They r young and useful and the future.... Sitting homeless and alone and scared at a gas station... Not begging; just wanting the light from the 24hr gas mart to keep them a bit more safe.

Normally, i would "mind my own business"... Most wouldn't even think they were homeless.. Being so young and sober and "clean". But I didn't because u all made me realize passing by unaware in especially these times just isn't ok. Thank u for the inspiring posts before.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:17 PM
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1. Thank you for helping them... Every little bit helps.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:23 PM
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4. And it's not enough... No matter how many acts of random kindness we individually try to help with..
It's not enough! It's a situation that needs addressing as a collective whole. We need to make people come first...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:26 AM
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26. That's right. Charity won't do it.
I hope, now that you have "pushed past ignore", you will get involved in changing the situation at the root of it.

The pain out here in "ignoreland" is unbearable.

Thank you.

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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:23 PM
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30. Some of us do what we can. It's never enough.
I've been fighting this fight for decades and I won't give up. But days like today remind me that I am getting old and getting tired. I just need a day off to deal with my back pain and then I'll roll my sleeves back up and get back in the fight.

Thanks for keeping us on our toes Bobbi. You are like the Jiminy Cricket of DU.

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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:45 PM
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46. sometimes looking at the big picture is blinding
but the little picture can be taken care of. Can't feed the world but you can feed...him. yeah, him, that guy over there with a sign. and the next good person will help, and the next person who can help throws in some assistance, and someone else gives him a sandwich, or a hot dog or some change at the gas station...

when you feel most isolated from the human race is the best time to become a member of it. Acts of kindness ARE the epitome of goodness. I, for one, shall continue to commit them with reckless abandon!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:13 PM
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49. Could you spare time and energy in-between to work on the root causes?
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:17 PM
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69. I do my best
but usually I do my best to try and feed...

i do a monthly food delivery to the homeless teen shelter, in the summer I take them baked stuff and this year I've put in a whole raised bed just to grow extra for them, i supplement my student's lunches because they are crap sometimes and I have organized a food drive EVERY single year that I have taught....some years I've done two of them.

I don't have a lot of time left over to work on the root causes...except to be a knowledgeable voter and to write letters to my reps asking for better care of the poor.

I think I'm doing my share at this point.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:03 PM
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50. Thanks for replying. Two things.
First, I totally understand feeing old and tired and overwhelmed. Physical pain certainly doesn't help with that. We really are ready for the next generation to pick up the standard. Of course, for people like me, there is no rest. This is what we deal with every day of our lives, and yes, it is wearing us down, too! We don't have an out. We don't get a vacation.

But second, maybe its time to "fight" it in different way. The struggle of poverty is so hard because it isn't recognized. It isn't like gay rights or being against the war or any of the other issues. It is very unique, and I don't think we have yet figured out just how to fight it. Until we do, it is going to be very frustrating because it is confusing. Like trying to find the thread to pull to unravel it.

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 04:51 PM
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40. What we need is people who are charitable enough to pay their taxes
for this kind of crisis. These kids are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to homelessness and hunger. If they are over 18 there should be some government help for them that they could apply for but even in MN where programs are usually quite generous a general assistance check for the month is around $200. That is not enough to pay for a room let alone a home.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 05:40 PM
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41. And legislators that will put that tax money into
programs to take care of the least of us.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:58 PM
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+100,000,000,000 nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:16 PM
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51. Well.... Both sides of the isle say the poor/middle class needs to share the pain...
It is hard to believe that the Kochs will ever share in the pain thanks to the American Legislative Exchange Council.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:21 PM
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2. You did good,
It wasn't just your money, your cigarettes that made these kids' eyes light up, but most importantly, your kindness.

I was a homeless kid at one time myself, and it was such rare, random acts of kindness such as yours that gave me hope in the future and the strength to carry on.

I don't know if these kids are regulars at the gas station, but if you want to help them a bit more, run through your phone book for various social service agencies/charities that are in your town, and then go give them the info. If they could get into a shelter, temporary housing of some sort, where they at least have access to a daily shower and a stable address, it would go a long way to helping them up. One of the hardships faced by the homeless is that they don't have a stable address/phone number that they can give out to potential employers. And it certainly doesn't help if their personal hygiene is lacking at interview time.

Thanks for your kindness.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:28 PM
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5. At there age 10yrs ago I was In college worrying about tests, job, and friends.
I never worried that I wasn't going to eat or thought about sleeping in the streets. And they were so young... First impression was that one had just gotten off their shift and were waiting for a friend or parent to come pick them up... And while they have each other, what happens if the girl gets pregnant? They don't have money for food.. It's unlikely they are thinking hmm let me go buy some condoms or get on birth control.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:31 PM
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7. Actually you would be surprised
The homeless consider the economic implications of every little thing. They have to.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:28 AM
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27. At that age, there probably AREN'T shelters. And they are more vulneerable in a shelter, and would
be split up. All they have right now is each other, and splitting them up would be taking away their strength, not giving them more.

Charity is not the answer.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:23 PM
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3. You are a good person!
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:30 PM
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6. Thank you.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:54 PM
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8. Thank you for sharing your story, and for your kindness to two young strangers.
Your story inspired me, too... :hug:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:43 AM
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18. I guess its the "pay it forward" idea.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:56 AM
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53. You're absolutely right, that's it exactly.
Kudos to you for reaching out. You'll never know how much that meant... :yourock:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:01 AM
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9. There can never be enough such stories, but as up thread stated, we need our government
To realize they are citizens as well and to continue to Thierry constitutes is and can no longer be acceptable
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:09 AM
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10. As the person who posted the hot dog post
I am touched beyond belief that my little act of kindness helped to inspire you to not look the other way.

It is my hope that one by one we can all stop looking the other way. Glowing, you're my hero tonight! :0)
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 06:22 AM
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14. What was weird is that the little mart had their hot dogs still spinning on the warmer.
only $0.69 and they smelled sooo good. It was like little popping signs all around me.. Maybe that's the hand of God... The hot dogs triggered the memory of the stories. I had posted that the 62yr old lady I would have had to buy a ticket for or something.. but really, would I have even thought to stop and pick this lady up? OR even notice her?

Thank you for your story.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:15 AM
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25. I think we ought to have a special forum for collecting stories like this.
Each individual story has its own power to evoke compassion for the suffering and gratitude toward those of you who do these things, but I think we ought to put them together for their collective impact.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:32 PM
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28. A "pay it forward" forum..
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:26 PM
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32. I'd second that idea.
A pay it forward forum. Stories of inspiration and humanity; why we need more than a handout.

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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 04:32 PM
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38. I agree!!!! (extra !!!'s for extra emphasis!)
lets do it! Mods?
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:18 AM
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11. very sad, but i'm sure your kindness
made them feel better.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:29 AM
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12. Glowing...
Edited on Mon May-23-11 12:29 AM by CoffeeCat
...that was very compassionate and caring of you.

I think it's important to help out. The money and other items helps them, but
it also sends a message to them--that the world cares and that they are not
invisible or forgotten.

Thank you for making the world a better place.

You were inspired by others and now you are inspiring other people! :hug:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:36 AM
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13. What a wonderful thing you did.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 06:44 AM
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15. Thank you for sharing....

"Can't we buy cheaper hammers and screws at the pentagon to make people whole?"

It's beyond sad, beyond infuriating...it's almost incomprehensible the level of suffering that so many have needlessly endured for decades, and the numbers are growing.

Thank you for offering them the gift of kindness to sustain them.

:cry:

:grouphug:

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:03 AM
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16. Your compassion is real...
The GOP's "compassion" is something that they only feel for themselves.

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:56 AM
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19. I think they turn off the empathy emotion. If they feel, then they might break
their anger wall... and that anger wall helps keep together the pieces of their own shitty life... Easier to believe that its some "other's" fault that they haven't earned a place in the millionare club. They are so sure that its just around the corner.. they refuse to accept a normalence of equality for everyone.. shelter, food, air quality, water quality, health care.. that they would help prop up the corporate stooges and political figures for the Dream.

And then there are the fundie nut bags... Who want to instruct everyone else how to live to their ideas of life... I think they live in fear of the unknown.. they see others living a life of free choices, are jealous, and meanly decide everyone else should have to live like them. Otherwise, why is it that they seem to care so much what one does in one's bedroom or whom one prays to, yet, they walk by their fellow man in need and would spit on them.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:11 AM
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17. When we had an exchange student from Norway sevral years ago she
was shocked when she saw the "needs" of our community at Christmas. We always "adopt" a family at Christmas and buy presents for the kids and food. She said she doesn't even know if they have "poor or homeless" in her town of Tromso (up in the artic circle). I was shocked and asked her what her country does (while she was with us my brother actually died in CA after living on the streets for 25 years). She said that is people are struggling the government trains them for a job and if that still doesn't work they give them shelter and if they have mental illness they make sure they get their meds. Though they do live up in the artic circle. Other countries take care of their people on the front end and in America we just let them die on the streets or put them in jail (which costs a lot more). Same with health care....we are so screwed up and backwards!
You are so right about how can they get a job if they don't have food and a place to get clean. My brother used to fight for the rights of the homeless and one of the issues he fought for was the right for homeless to vote (no address no vote). I think those on government support always figgured out an address to have their check sent too. We have to catch them early (like the ones you saw) because once they get a record (drinking in public is ilegal and they get thrown in jail after so many tickets for that) and then try and escape their situation with alcohol no one will hirer them. My brother was 44 when he died of alcoholism. His best friend (on the streets) was so shook up by his death that he is now working himself through school and is going to be a alcohol rehab counselor. I here he is very involved with helping the homeless.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:28 PM
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33. How does one sponsor / host a student.
I think that is something my wife and I would like to do.

On the other hand, given this link, maybe we should think about hosting a homeless person / couple / family. ...
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 10:13 PM
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70. True. Especially a family or teens who need a helping hand. But my brother
had so many helping hands and he would eventually empty out their liquor cabinet. We have use Youth For Understanding (YFU) or AFS for our two exchange students and the one we are getting this summer will be from YFU because we know the local volunteer. I hate to say this but you can actually choose one that would work for your community and your family in these programs. I usually find one where we can make a difference in their life and in our small town they have to be willing to do some kind of school sports (anything) to have the full American experience. Most other countries don't have sports in their schools (they can pay for club sports after school someplace else). They are usually all academics and leave our kids in the dust while they are here. But that has been a great influence on study habits for my kids. They usually end up relaxing some here and having a great year!
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:09 AM
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20. Good on you. K&R
:hi: Let's all work to see that government starts doing a better job of serving the American people.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:11 AM
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21. Good for you, thanks! n/t
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:15 AM
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22. Thanks
for helping them and for sharing your story with us.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:06 AM
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23. Thanks for sharing. I will be more observant from now on. We all must help when we can. You
would be surprised how $20.00 helps a person.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:11 AM
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24. They're on their way to Santa Cruz.
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Left coast liberal Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:24 PM
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29. You are a very good person. Hugs to you.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:24 PM
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31. I bet you feel really good
Well done .. We must take care of each other
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idiotgardener Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:34 PM
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34. Very nice thing you did.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:35 PM
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35. Glad you helped them.
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Sienna86 Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:36 PM
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36. You inspire me to reach outside my comfort zone
Thank you for shaaring your story.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 03:39 PM
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37. Feels really good, doesn't it?
......to help someone, I mean. I'm a country boy, still live in the little small town I grew up in, and I have never really been exposed to our homeless population. I have seen them in Dallas on occasional trips, mostly just panhandlers, but other than that, nothing. But, I have seen the kids in need in our classrooms. When I heard up to 60% of our kids had needs, I helped gather clothing, linens, and donations. We got the school to set aside a room we could display the clothes in, and have the kids come in after school hours, to avoid embarassment, and take whatever they needed, free of charge. We started a program to send some of our less fortunate kids home on Fridays with a backpack full of food because almost all of their nutrition was coming from school lunches and were eating very little, if any, over the weekends. We started that four years ago, and it's still going strong! It does take a village to raise a child. We all should help look out for today's kids. I became a volunteer for CASA (court appointed child advocates) and help raise funds for that organization annually. We raise thousands of dollars for these kids. It's what keeps me going when I see a child in need. God bless you for being kind.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 04:44 PM
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39. THIS is how Change Really Begins
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 05:52 PM
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42. Have many here actually been homeless?
I'm not hearing many people saying, "back when I was homeless..." Back when I was homeless (for about 7 months) I do no remember needing food so much as, say, a home. To get food I would sweep parking lots for a few dollars. I eventually realized that there are many charities with enough resources to get anyone in that situation back on their feet. Some better than others.

Churches seem good resources for help. Eventually one provided me with the first month rent, and I used it to its best advantage. I would not recommend to anyone The Salvation Army, they weren't much help, which is why I don't donate to them ever. They house people, but I was late one day helping someone else find a home and my car broke down, so they kicked me out. Actually I was kicked out of a few shelters.

I ran into several people which I thought wanted to help but actually just wanted sex, since I was so young, but that was not what I was into. I appreciate the help I got, but I realized how the majority of people are selfish and will just watch you die. I have a very cynical view of the human race now. It was not just my homeless stint but that and everything else that's happened.

For me what helped was just the month free rent. Then I was able to get a job and finish college. Everyone's goals are different, though.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:12 PM
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48. You're not hearing a lot of it because there is so much stigma, prejudice and ignorance.
Most people don't step out onto a limb like that.... not alone.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:04 AM
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54. Hmm, yeah, well lack of friends
Obviously homelessness is related to lack of friends. So being an awkward outcast goes hand in hand with that. And mental illness goes and in hand with that.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:49 AM
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55. That's a response which shows the total ignorance which is *Causing* homelessness.
Edited on Tue May-24-11 08:52 AM by bobbolink
The "mental illness" you speak of is on the part of those who can push aside those who are hurting, and then blame them for being pushed aside.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:05 PM
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56. You have demonstrated my point very well
Edited on Tue May-24-11 12:13 PM by DaveJ
I can hardly post anything on this site without evoking some feigned outrage. Similarly, one slipup in life and I'll be out on the streets again, nobody would ever help me if I started to fall, I'm too disliked. But as you say my thinking is totally ignorant, and apparently I deserve any misfortune that comes my way. * I'm the guy everyone just hates on and this is also the reason I was homeless. Wow I was actually homeless and I'm being told I'm ignorant about it. Anyway, if you were taking offense at the use of the term 'mental illness', perhaps I should explain that my underlying belief is that when one is an outcast from the rest of society for long enough, any sane person would start becoming mentally ill.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:30 PM
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57. Learn your facts before pontificating. SIXTEEN percent of homeless people are "mentally ill".
If, as you say, that included you, don't put everyone else in that box.

LEARN. THE. FACTS.
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sita Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:35 PM
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58. Where do those numbers come from? Granted, I don't have scientific ones
to pull out at the moment; I am just going by what I see on the street. And there are plenty of people talking to themselves that are homeless. The other ones I see look to be substance abusers in many cases. Addiction is a form of mental illness! And even if the addiction is not active, it could be what created a chain of circumstances which led to the streets. Who cares if 100% of homeless people are mentally ill? Does that mean they shouldn't receive housing, food, etc.? NO! This debate really puzzles me because everyone deserves a home, regardless if they "brought it on themselves." Some addicts have families to bail them out time and again; some don't. We all deserve to be able to make mistakes, including going to jail, having a record, and being able to find employment/housing/food even though___________(fill in the blank)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:38 PM
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59. Those are the facts. Choose them or not. "Progressives" call themselves "fact based".
As the saying goes... You have a right to your opinion. You don't have a right to your own facts.

Deal with it. Take the schtick somewhere else, where prejudice against homeless people is welcomed.
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sita Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:43 PM
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61. I don't have prejudice against homeless people. Do you have prejudice
against the mentally ill? Did you actually read my post? It doesn't matter WHY the person is on the street or what the stats are: GIVE PEOPLE HOMES! But this debate on mental illness and homelessness doesn't really seem like it matters. Everyone deserves permanent shelter.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:47 PM
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62. REally? So, facts don't matter? Should we also, according to you, go back to
all the "facts" said about other victim groups of prejudice in the past?

Like, all negroes are lazy. That doesn't matter?

Like, all Jews are greedy. That doesn't matter?

If you don't like facts, and you like tarring any group with whatever you want to tag them with, then there is no point in trying to converse, right? Kinda like trying to get across facts to the bagger set.
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sita Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:51 PM
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63. Absolutely. Facts don't matter when it comes to giving people
permanent shelter. Have a nice day.:)
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 02:00 PM
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65. popsicle?
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:58 PM
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64. poutrage is popular here...don't take any mind to it...
thanks for sharing..everyone has different experiences and thoughts on matters.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:36 PM
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68. Me, by choice.
Edited on Tue May-24-11 04:54 PM by Zorra
Probably spent at least three years all told with my partner at that time and our dog (actually we got her about 2/3 through the journey), homeless and hitching the country or living/traveling in a VW van after finishing college and giving away almost everything we had. We worked odd jobs here and there, doing migrant work, or picking up returnable cans and bottles by the side of the road in states that had what we called "bottle laws" back then. Sometimes we'd even find money by the side of the road, one day we found $27 (a twenty dollar bill and a baggie with coins in it) and a bag of weed on I-5 somewhere outside of Eugene. We used it to get some acid up at Cougar Reservoir at a Rainbow Family Camp, and the rest of it to pay for tickets to a Grateful Dead show at Autzen Stadium in Eugene.

The fruit tramp scene was good then; the tramps all knew where to go during certain times of the year to make the most money picking fruit up north or tomatoes down south, and they gave us good advice. Sometimes we'd get a gig in a fruit or tomato packing shed or a gas station. We'd lived in our tent by rivers or lakes or creeks in the forest or desert, or in free campgrounds, or migrant camps, or picker's cabins when we got real lucky. A hot shower even sometimes (heaven).

We'd make a couple of grand thinning or picking fruit, depending on the time of year, up in the Northwest, and then hit the road again, making our way slowly down to the Florida Keys or the Naples area for winter, and if we came close to running out of money we'd pick tomatoes in Homestead or work the packing sheds near Naples, all the while checking out the scene wherever we were at. Our one hard and fast rule rule was to never go to a city, (unless we were flush and had a particular reason to go there, like the Haight, or safe small progressive hippie cities like Eugene) cities are very often dangerous places for homeless travelers, probably almost always dangerous to any homeless or poor person in reality. Cities are a good place to become cynical and hopeless if you are poor, I imagine, they seem to me to be cold and yes, I believe that some there would just watch you die, I could see how a person could get very cynical about people in a city, but out in the country and small towns people generally seem to be a lot more sympathetic to those in need if they see you are not a moocher and might put you to work painting a fence or something to help you out. We actually got offered a job on a ranch by a famous liberal attorney in Wyoming that gave us a ride but I can't remember his name. But there are a lot of good, kind people out there in the country. Well, actually, West Texas seems to be pretty cold too; people in ten gallon hats driving on a blazing hot late Sunday morning obviously coming from church driving new Cadillacs with Longhorn steer horns on their hoods just passed us by while we stood by the side of the road dying of thirst with our canteens held upside down and holding a sign begging for water. None stopped for hours...

except finally for 2 poor old black guys in a big blue '65 Buick that we saw coming for a mile because it was smoking so bad. Their names were Sonny Henderson and Charles Shaw, I'll never forget them. Sonny got us stoned and Charles let us hit off his bottle, and they gave us lemonade and food and drove us to Sonny's family's little BBQ restaurant somewhere outside of Carlsbad, NM, where grandma Henderson fed us the hottest food I've ever eaten until this day and they gave us a real bed to sleep in. Charles asked us if we would like to stay in a club that they were involved with, something called the Knights of Pythias outside of Silver City. We stayed in a loft there for 2 (was it 3?) months, keeping the place clean and kind of providing "security" lol. We still had a decent amount of money left from picking tomatoes in Florida, and there was a Rainbow Gathering coming up that was going to take place up in the Gila Wilderness. (We actually lived in a 10th century Mogollon cliff dwelling above the Gila river for 2 weeks after we moved out of the Club).

The Club was awesome, every Saturday night there would be dances, maybe 75 black folks from the surrounding area would come and there'd be music and beer and dancing and they were all always super, super nice to us.

Funny how all those people in W. Texas that had all kinds of money and things yet they seemed scared to death of us and wouldn't help two poor dumb hippies dying by the side of the road, but 2 poor old guys with very little gave us so much without reservation.

I gotta say, that taught us one big ass lesson in life right there and then.

My partner and I were both raised in the country, so sometimes we'd be somewhere where it was easy to catch trout or bass, maybe some crawdads, they have some really big crawdads in the Rogue River in Oregon. We'd pick wild blackberries or other wild edibles when we came across them. What was cool was the people that would give us rides and that would turn us on to stuff. One rancher from North Central Washington gave us 2 fat homegrown steaks a six pack of beer and 2 packs of non-filtered Pall Malls (I ate meat and smoked back then, still drink beer now and then). I remember what the guy looked like to this day. We met a lot of really cool people on the road. It was pretty much "road code" back then that no matter how little you had, you shared with other travelers that didn't have.

Sometimes things got a little scary when you got picked up by a weirdo, or when you got down to your last few bucks on your way to a picking job, but we always managed to make it without ever having to ask anyone for anything except a ride when we were hitching (with the one exception of asking for water once when we were dying of thirst in W Texas). Those were great times, we had nothing, but we were fearless and crazy and invincible, and those days taught me some of the most valuable lessons of my life.

What it is like to be helpless and have nothing, and subsequently to always be kind to people that need help, were maybe the two most important lessons I had driven into my heart and my brain back then.

What goes around comes around.
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mrmpa Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:32 PM
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43. I thank you for saying that my post about the hitchhiker inspired
you to push past ignore. Thank you for doing something. It helps. A few years ago I took a nephew on a camping trip out west for 2 weeks. We got off a ramp in South Dakota, there were a couple men, probably hitching. I had cold bottles of water in the truck. I grabbed two bottles and gave the guys the bottles. My nephew asked me why, I told him I have it & it's hot out there. A couple of times on the trip we saw the same situation and my nephew grabbed water bottles and handed them out. No questions from my nephew, he knew it was the right thing to do, as we had something and they had nothing.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:37 PM
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44. hey mrmpa, i'm the hot dogs and you are the old lady hitchhiker
pleasure to meet you.

OK, we three have now done our good deed for the week! I can't wait to hear if more people take our lead!
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mrmpa Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:41 PM
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45. Glad to meet you......Let's hope!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:45 PM
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47. My spouse used to work for a County Social Services
And boy, the stories he would come home with.

Even though at that time our economy was relatively good.

Especially hard hit would be young mothers whose husbands were abusive. They would flee in the wee hours with their kids - all that they had was the clothes on their back and if smart and lucky enough, maybe one of the husband's cars.

Anyway thank you for helping those youngsters out. I hope that the "karma" earned is returned soon, and that you aren't always working such long hard hours.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:29 PM
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52. It also turned into a great lesson for my son who is six when I related the story to him.
He couldn't understand why they had to be homeless or hungry? Now, my mom, on the otherhand, was shocked I would talk to strangers or not mind my own business... So u can see I'm out on a limb starting new values for my family.

My son's reception of concern and compassion was the best gift of all.. It will be him one day either giving or receiving help to those I need.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 02:07 PM
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66. There are tears streaming sown my face right now...
(We are dealing with an opposition that has made celebrating spite a national pastime. They claim the moral high ground while they stand on a heap of bullsh!t. Well I am not meeting them halfway up a sh!tstack in the name of compromise. Truth is, they need to come off of their proverbial sh!tstacks and clean up. Frankly, it stinks.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 02:48 PM
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67. Resources for homeless youth...
www.nationalsafeplace.org

Connection to local youth shelters.

And thank you for being there! :hug:

K&R

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