WI Repubs. set to disenfranchise thousands on eve of Recall Elections.

[Cal33]

WI Republican legislature poised to disenfranchise thousands of non-whites and poor
(who mainly vote Democratic). It's part of their long-term strategy.


http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12709

[buddysmellgood]

1. This will screw with plenty more than non-whites and poor. Students, the elderly, new voters. It

truly sucks.

[rurallib]

2. I have to think someone will sue to stop this

and thus it will be at least on hold before the election.

[Cal33]

5. Yeah! A great idea! I never even thought of it. So, will some WI natives do it?

[Doctor_J]

13. As corrupt as the courts are, this won't help

have to think more aggressively.

[Cal33]

14. How about starting with blue states, and in those areas where the

judges are known not to be Neocons?

[Doctor_J]

16. Eventually, after months or years, the case will make it to a Rove judge

You're still trying to come p with sane, legal ways to fight back against pure, vicious evil. It's not going to work.

[Cal33]

17. So who is saying we should be trying only one way at one time? If you

can think of other effective means, go ahead. You're right about
"pure evil." More and more anti-social personalities (Al Capones) are
getting into top positions of both corporations and politics, because
they are especially attracted to money and power, and it's exactly in
those positions where money and power can be found. But it's death
for everybody else.

[Doctor_J]

37. My way unfortunately requires a lot of people

and there aren't yet enough ready to do what needs to be done. Truthfully if all of those wasting their time signing petitions and standing holding signs would instead do some soul-searching and come to grips with what really might work, we could likely get back on track in a few weeks. But right now there are too many who participate in useless activities, and then when they said activities fail, say, "Damn! Recount didn't work! But the recall elections will! Let's sign some more petitions and make sure we get out the vote!"

If today's protestors had been around in 1776, they would have signed petitions declaring themselves no longer subjects of the crown, and when the Brits ignored the petitions, the protestors would have thrown up their hands and said, "We tried! Hail to the King!"

[iwishiwas]

30. It would have to come from a private citizen who has been denied

casting his vote at the polls---most likely. This is what a Dem legislature said. But the ugly bill has passed and Walker is have a ceremonial signing next Wednesday.

[Cal33]

32. Can't those who have been cheated still sue and receive backing

from Dems., even if the bill has already been passed? We should fight back
with everythig we've got.

[Doctor_J]

42. No, it could come from Holder

this is a federal crime, in opposition to the Voting Rights Act. The weak-kneed AG could put a stop to this and arrest the culprits if he wanted to, but he's a joke.

[aquart]

3. And?

Democrats didn't vote. Now they can't vote.

Who did they punish?

You know what? Their only hope is that there may be sane, disgusted, frightened Republicans.

Good luck with that.

[elocs]

11. Yep, too many Democrats decided to stay home last November. Choices/Consequences.

The consequences sure do suck for all of us here though, even the ones who did show up and voted.

[socialist_n_TN]

19. Do you really think it would have mattered?

No matter how many Dems show up and vote, the fascists will ALWAYS find just enough votes to win elections. That's the way it is nowdays. At least in most states.

[elocs]

20. Yes I do. Please explain how a Democrat won our previous 2 gubernatorial elections

if the Republicans are so all powerful to steal elections at will. So much for your ALWAYS.

[socialist_n_TN]

33. Well possibly they didin't have the power

to steal elections outright in Wisconsin in '06 or '02. They do now.

Most of the time when I say I "predicted" something, you can go back through my posts here and find them. But I made a prediction to whoever would listen back when Obama won which was before I started posting here. I thought that IF the Republicans ever returned to power after the '08 Obama win, they would do EVERYTHNG in their power, legally or illegally, to NOT lose it again. To my eyes, this counts as confirmation of this prediction.

Now as I've said often, don't take my negativity about elections prevent anybody from trying. I'm going to vote myself every chance I get. The more elections that are stolen, the more people will see that extra electoral remedies are needed. So go for it, but maybe next time you put your eggs in the "within the system" basket, you'll think about it.

[Cal33]

34. "I thought that IF the Republicans ever returned to power after the '08 Obama win, they would do

EVERYTHING in their power not to lose it again."

I am in full agreement with your assessment.

There will be massive election fraud throughout the nation come Nov. 2012, such
as has never been seen before in the history of our nation. The Neocons wil
see to it that they will "win" -- one way or another. And things will be not
only bad, but horrendously bad. Too many Democrats are still lackadaisical
about election fraud, as they are about almost evrything else.

But everything comes to an end. Nothing caused by human beings can last forever.
I believe the Neocons' unstoppable greed will be the cause of their own end.
Even if they should win, they'll eventually end by fighting among themselves.
They can't help but self-destruct. There is no honor among thieves.

[socialist_n_TN]

35. Agree, they will fight amongst themselves

Unfortunately, we'll ALL be caught in the crossfire.

[Cal33]

38. Yes. As they self-destruct, they'll very likely take a lot of innocent people

along with them.

[Doctor_J]

48. Well, we could fight back

:shrug:

[Cal33]

49. Yes, but Dems. are not as well prepared as Repubs. Remember

the Teabaggers wearing side-arms to town-hall meetings? They are armed to the teeth.
Not many Dems. are.

[socialist_n_TN]

50. But then it really WOULD be class war......

:) Seriously though, I think that it will come to that.

[Cal33]

51. If they should "win" in 2012, they'll be in a position of making sure of never losing

another election again. They'll make sure that they alone will be counting
the votes. Like Stalin said, those who vote don't matter, but those who
count the votes do.

History will be repeating itself. When those who lust after money and power
succeed in getting to the top, the only way to depose the criminals in power
would be through a revolution. God alone knows how long that will take.
There will be bloodshed, and our population would probably be greatly
reduced in numbers. What a dreadful thought! I feel sorry for the younger
people.

.

[Doctor_J]

53. They've already won

Have you not been paying attention?

[Cal33]

54. I think I am a little bit more optimistic than you. The Dems. still have

a year and a half to really wake up, and do something really effective about the 2012 elections.
Maybe I am grasping at last straws. At least, thre is a slight chance. I'm doing what I can
to help them wake up. It's not much, but it's something.

[Doctor_J]

52. Only if we decide at some point that we've had enough

I see no signs that we're ever going to fight. The pushback in WI has been inspired and very well-meaning, but an utter FAIL, results-wise. Hartmann just had on a WI college student whose right to vote was just revoked by the latest outrage. Thom asked him if this new bill will hold up. The student said, "Probably not - the procedure was totally unfair". So it sounds like student is going to once again begin the useless process of taking the criminals to court. Remarkable how those on our side keep believing that repeating the same failed steps will suddenly produce a victory.

[bluestate10]

40. They did not have the power until democratic voters stayed home.

You keep defeating your own defense.

[juajen]

24. Please stop blaming democrats. It is demoralizing to fight and fight

and fight, and get nowhere. Luckily we are still fighting, but it is too pat to blame this on dems. How long have we fought to try to get attention for election fraud. You act as if it is not still going on. I live in Louisiana, and for sure, it is still going on here. As the republicans take over more and more on school boards, and Parish government, we are helpless to do anything. It doesn't seem to matter to enough people, and I am not talking about dems. It appears that we have a lot of brain washed people. What we need is superman, and, gee, golly, I don't think he's gonna appear. All we have are the numbers reported to gauge how many dems and republicans voted and for whom. Almost every state has election fraud of one kind or another going on. Please, do come up with some great strategy that will lead this country out of the abyss.

[socialist_n_TN]

36. Agree. A lot of people want to blame the party

that they "supposedly" support for not coming out to vote when it's pretty obvious that elections are lost nowdays by fascist electoral fraud than by turnout.

[OHdem10]

4. 22 States have some form of voter suppression laws in the works.

Just as with the Unions, the National Democrats are
silent.

The targets in these states are Young Voters, African Americans
Elderly and Hispanic Voters.

There needs to be a full force effort made in these states
to get our people prepared making sure they comply with all
the new laws. START NOW. This is going to take time and
if it put off to the last minute, the Democrats will suffer.

[vi5]

6. National Democrats....

My disgust with them grows exponentially each day. If they did anything that required any kind of risk or any kind of bold, decisive action rather than simply waiting around to react to Republicans next moves and hoping for the best it would be an absolute miracle.



It's state and local dems only for me at this point (and even that's iffy). The nation dems can take their dry powder and shove it right up their cowardly, craven asses if they think they're getting a dime of my money, a second of my time, or a drop of my sweat to support them.

[patrice]

10. "Leadership"??? - Uh, Mr. President . . . . ? or Mr Trumka?

[vi5]

15. What do you mean?

I meant any national dems, especially ones in positions of supposed leadership. Reid, Obama, etc. Trumka is doing what is best for his group and his brothers and fellow union members. He was loyal for a very long time and truly believed that backing the dems would help unions in the end. And he's watched as they were at worst thrown under the bus (particularly with regard to teachers who have been scapegoated by this administration something fierce) and at best the national dems just sat silently as things happened in Wisconsin and all over the country.

[patrice]

9. Rachel M has been talking about this; raising the alarm about what's going on !!!!!

[postulater]

7. I'll show my ID but I am going to wear a V mask when I vote.

Or maybe a Walker mask.

It's just the ID they want, after all.

[badtoworse]

23. What if they won't let you vote unless you take the mask off?

Would you walk out or take it off?

[postulater]

27. I want to find out what the new rule is.

I'd vote though.

Stubbornness has cost me a lot in the past but I won't sacrifice a vote for it.

[patrice]

8. When is enough bullshit? Your right to vote revoked.

[badtoworse]

21. Why not just show up with ID?

[KeepItReal]

26. Because you dont need a fraking ID to vote

Your voter registration card and or name and address on the voter roll is proof enough.

Not all citizens are drivers or college students.

[bluetex]

31. So....

What do I do when, using your logic....someone goes to the polls, claims to be me (my address and name are no secret)...and casts a vote on my behalf? Who will give me my vote "back"?

This hypothetical non-driving citizen? How do they open a bank account? Apply for a job? Receive various GOVERNMENT assistance as needed? Purchase certain types of over-the counter goods such as medicine, liquor, cigarettes.....without ID?

You wouldn't advocate someone walking into a place where you do business (Cable/Satellite TV, Water Department, Bank, Phone service provider) and making alterations to your account...just because they knew your name and address. Would you?


Isn't your vote more precious than all of the above mentioned?

[brentspeak]

45. Are beer and cigarettes sold at polling locations?

[KeepItReal]

55. You described Voter Fraud. That is a crime.

Here in California you vote by stating your name and address to the polling place worker and signing the official roll by your name.

If someone wants to beat me to the poll and vote on my behalf, they will have the Registart of Voters and the LA county sheriff to deal with once I report it.

[Cal33]

56. But just look at what's happening in WI. The Neocons are getting away

with everything -- torn and ripped ballot bags that were supposed to have
been sealed and untouched. This has been going on in other places too,
and the Neocons have yet to be punished for their crimes. This only
enables and encourages bullies to continue their bullying. Democrats
need to toughen up a bit. They need to fight back. As things are
right now, they're inviting the Neocons to crap all over them.

[Doctor_J]

12. Oooh. We better sign a petition

that will show them that we really mean business.

:rofl:

We're surrendered, but at least we've done it with dignity.

[socialist_n_TN]

18. Yep. PAST time for extra electoral remedies

We had a shot in Wisconsin and then the "cooler heads" prevailed and put all their eggs in the recall basket. The recall elections will probably go just about like this SC vote went. NO MATTER HOW MANY DEMS SHOW UP AND VOTE THE FASCISTS WILL PULL ENOUGH VOTES OUT TO WIN.

[RandomThoughts]

22. If they steal elections it builds the tower for revolution.

Or extraordinary corrections to the system.

And I am due beer and travel money and many experiences.

[Cal33]

25. They've stolen the election from Gore, Kerry. Right now in WI,

they are stealing an election from Kloppenburg ....ad infinitum. There might
very well be a revolution at some future date, but the thing is that firm
and united action on the part of the Dems. should be going on AT THIS VERY MOMENT to
prevent further election fraud from taking place.

The Dem. leadership have never really raised an alarm over the criminal
activities of the Neocons (call them Repubs, if you prefer), much less
taken any action on punishment for the Repub.crimes. This has aided
and abetted them, and they treat the Dems with contempt and continue
with their crimes, knowing they can get away with anything.

Pelosi's "Impeachment is off the table" in Jan. 2007, set the pace for
the Neocon fraud -- any kind of fraud -- to go full steam ahead!
Never has anyone of them been punished, no matter what they had done.

It's not only that the Neocons are "pure evil" -- which they are. I think
the Dem. leadership has played the role of ENABLER all along.

IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. The Dem. leadership is a mess.

Actually speaking, the Neocons are at their weakest right now. They have
nothing to offer the American people but bluff, threats of disaster, propaganda
and lies. But the Dem. leadership is too helpless and clueless to take advantage
of this windfall. This windfall is wasted by our inept Dem. leadership.

Result? The one who is a loser (the Neocons) is actually gaining points, and
might actually turn out to be the winner, and they have nothing but chaos to offer.

This is how history will see us 50 years down the line -- if we should still
survive as a nation till then.

[dael]

28. Election Shell Game

http://richardcharnin.com/WIVoteCounts
http://richardcharnin.com/ObamaProof.htm
http://www.richardcharnin.com/2008ElectionAnalysisLinks...
http://richardcharnin.com/2008PrimariesLinks.htm
http://richardcharnin.com/Conversation2008.htm http://richardcharnin.com/2008ElectionModel.htm

Kathy Nicklaus was supposed to recuse herself but she was there everyday with access to everything.
For a responsible paper to come out so early on this is oxymoronic.

Kloppenburg has ALL the evidence she needs BY LAW to challenge the recount NO PROBLEM.
The list of election improprieties far outweighs any legitimate claim to a win.
We have seen too many, in the past, give in under circumstances where no THOROUGH investigation was complete.
Democracy can and should wait, for the TRUTH.
The voters demand better and should get it!

[Cal33]

29. Kathy Nickolaus was supposed to recuse herself but she was there everyday ...

The Neocons know that they can get away with anything, because the Dems. don't fight
back hard enough. They throw their dirty deeds in the Dems' faces to show their
sheer contempt for them, since they know they can get away with anything, no matter
how humiliating for the Dems.

If the Dem. leadership continues to play the role of sitting ducks, the Repubs.
will keep on shooting them. Dems will lose again in Nov. 2012 because of nation-
wide election fraud. Wisconsin is the example staring in our faces.

2008 was an exception, probably because the Repubs. miscalculated the number of
fradlent votes they needed. They will not make the same mistake in 2012.
The Dem. leadership is made up of a group of frightened people. And frightened
people enable bullies to keep on bullying.

Goodbye Democracy, Hello Dictatorship.

[AuntPatsy]

39. Is it possible the dems are being threatened?

[Cal33]

41. I've had the same question myself.

[PeaceNikki]

44. No, she was not "there every day".

She works in the building so she was in the building, but she was only in the recount room on the first day. I was there for 11 days and never saw her in the room.

[Cal33]

46. I was quoting the writer of the post I was replying to. I'm glad she

wasn't there every day.

By the way, how is the supreme court election recount going. And what about the repeal of the WI senators
concerned. Are things being done as dishonestly as what some news reports are saying?

[PeaceNikki]

43. To be clear, voters will be asked for ID for recalls, but WILL be allowed to vote without one.

http://www.superiortelegram.com/event/article/id/53646/group/News

Part of voter ID could take effect this summer

While it would still be next year before a state-issued driver’s license or other photo ID is required to vote, this plan could force voters in nine senate recall elections -- six of them for Republican senators -- to live in their districts for 28 days before they can cast ballots. Right now only 10 days is required.


http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/daily_updates/article_e7e4130e-8041-11e0-80db-001cc4c03286.html

If the state Senate passes the bill and Gov. Scott Walker signs it into law, voters will be required to show photo ID beginning in the primary election next spring.

[MadMaddie]

47. If anyone believes that who nominates Supreme Court judges don't

matter well this is a perfect example of it does matter.

With a Repug majority of 5-4 these laws will be allowed to stand.