When The Rest Of The Party Says... "Where Else Ya Gonna Go ?"

[WillyT]

It's a great question. Makes one think about the party's principles, their own, and how dear each hold them.

THIS... this guy, this exchange... is why I tend to think I will vote again for Barack Obama.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G2vovE12tk

And curiously, it also may be why I do not.

Not sure if I can continue to vote out of fear any longer.

Plus... You want to keep creeping to the right ???

I used to think that 8 years of George W. was enough to prove the point.

:shrug:

[nobodyspecial]

1. Yes, let the GOP win

Hopefully that will teach all the people once and for all.

[Fumesucker]

2. Welcome to DU..

You forgot to mention ponies..

[nobodyspecial]

3. Are you going to call me a troll, too?

Seems if you don't hate Obama around here, all the cool kids pick on you.

[Fumesucker]

7. I'm far from being cool and even further from being a kid..

But after the kind of statement in your OP very often something is said regarding ponies.

I just thought perhaps you had missed that part in your script.

I don't want a damn pony, I want a rainbow pooping unicorn.

[nobodyspecial]

13. Script?

What are you implying? Sure wish I was getting paid. I could use the money. Being nobodyspecial has few rewards or benefits.

[sudopod]

5. What's wrong with ponies? nt

[Fumesucker]

8. There's nothing wrong with ponies..

It's just that I prefer rainbow pooping unicorns.

[WillyT]

4. Barack Obama May Just Become America's First Default President...

He won't be elected for what he is, but for what he is not.

And the powers that will be assumed by that reality will NOT be familiar to the American Story of the past.

:shrug:

[nonperson]

6. Sometimes I become so frustrated I tend to agree

Let the GOP win and let the idiots learn the hard way. The only problem is, a lesson learned in this fashion could very well be irreversible.

[Fumesucker]

9. It's the Democratic politicians who are allowing the GOP to win..

By their fecklessness and refusal to stand for anything they are discouraging large swathes of the electorate that would otherwise turn out for the Democrats.

[WillyT]

10. I Used To Believe Two Terms Was Enough... I Was Wrong

:shrug:

[bluestate10]

11. Funny that 8 years of Bush II was mentioned in the OP.

Progressives was so damned eager to end republican presidencies that they fell head over heels for a guy who was saying that he would do what he is doing now. Maybe eight years of a Romney and eight more of a Pawlenty will get their heads screwed on right. Maybe, but I doubt so, cool reason seems to be in painfully short supply among progressives. Case in point is the lionization of Cornell West, in all measures a terribly flawed and vain person.

[WillyT]

12. Dude... What Happened To Your Profile ???

:wtf:

[BzaDem]

14. You mention fear as if it were a bad thing. But isn't that backwards? Fear is a human response that

helps humans avoid negative consequences that otherwise might have been avoided. Acting like fear is a bad thing is like taking a thermometer and jamming it into the wall because you are afraid of what it might say (rather than observing the reading and going from there).

Obviously, if fear is being used to make people be afraid of a false potential consequence, then that is a bad thing. But the bad thing is the falsehood, not fear as a concept. If fear is being used to make people afraid of a true consequence, that would seem to be unambiguously good.

And in this case, the fact that we would experience negative consequences (relative to today) under a Republican President is about the most obvious statement one could possibly make about the future. To the extent that people don't realize this, wouldn't reminding them of this always be a plus? Eventually, they will realize it (just like those on the left who didn't vote for Gore realized it quickly after Bush was inaugurated), and will change their voting behavior accordingly. One year of Bush in office was enough to force those non-Gore voters on the left to confront reality, rather than blind themselves to it.

But if such a monumental mistake can be avoided in advance with fear, shouldn't we be cheering that? Sure, if they want, we could go through another Republican President if that is needed to get the message across to the few on the left who quickly forget, but I would think avoiding that scenario would be in everyone's best interest (especially in the interest of those who are contemplating not voting for Obama).