Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Some Final Thoughts on the Death of Osama bin Laden …a letter from Michael Moore

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:59 AM
Original message
Some Final Thoughts on the Death of Osama bin Laden …a letter from Michael Moore
Edited on Thu May-12-11 12:05 PM by Mira
Some Final Thoughts on the Death of Osama bin Laden …a letter from Michael Moore

"The Nazis killed tens of MILLIONS. They got a trial. Why? Because we're not like them. We're Americans. We roll different." – Michael Moore in an interview last week


Thursday, May 12th, 2011

Friends,

Last week, President Obama fulfilled a campaign promise and killed Osama bin Laden. Well he didn't actually do the killing himself. It was carried out by a very brave and excellent team of Navy SEALs. Not only does Mr. Obama have the overwhelming support of the country, I think there are millions who gladly wish it could have been their finger on the gun that took out bin Laden.

When I heard the news a week ago Sunday, I immediately felt great. I felt relief. I thought of those who lost a loved one on 9/11. And I was glad we finally had a President who got something done. This is what I had to say on Twitter and elsewhere on the internet in that first hour or two:

I want to point out that Barack Obama took two years to do what Bush couldn't do in over seven. That's the difference between STUPID in charge and SMART in charge. STUPID pursues two reckless wars, lets OBL escape from Tora Bora, keeps looking for him in caves and invades the wrong country. He bankrupts us to the tune of $1.2 trillion for the Iraq War (it will eventually actually be over $3 trillion), and worse, he cost us the lives of almost 5,000 of our troops, not to mention hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan – and, after all that, he STILL couldn't bring the perp to justice. In fact, in 2005, Bush closed down the CIA station that was devoted to looking for bin Laden! What does SMART do? He sends in a small elite strike force, no troops are killed, and the perpetrator is stopped for good.

I was thrilled that the Osama bin Laden era was over. There was now an end to the madness.

Being near Ground Zero that night, I decided to head over there and join with others who saw this event as a chance to have some closure. On 9/11, Bill Weems, a good and decent man I knew and worked with (we had just recently completed a shoot together in Boston), was on the plane that was flown into the Twin Towers. I dedicated 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' in part, to him.
But before leaving to go to the former World Trade Center site, I turned on the TV, and what I saw down at Ground Zero was not quiet relief and gratification that the culprit had been caught. Rather, I witnessed a frat boy-style party going on, complete with the shaking and spraying of champagne bottles over the crowd. I can completely understand people wanting to celebrate – like I said, I, too, was happy – but something didn't feel right.

It's one thing to be happy that a criminal has been captured and dealt with. It's another thing to throw a kegger celebrating his death at the site where the remains of his victims are still occasionally found. Is that who we are? Is that what Jesus would do? Is that what Jefferson would do? I was reminded of the tale told to me as a kid, of God's angels singing with glee as the Red Sea came crashing back down on the Egyptians chasing the Israelites, drowning all of them. God rebuked them, saying, "The work of My hands is drowning in that sea – and you want to friggin' sing?" (or something like that).

I remember my parents telling me how, on the day it was announced that Hitler was dead, there was no rejoicing in the streets, just private relief and satisfaction. The real celebration came six days later at the announcement that the war in Europe was over. THAT'S what the people wanted to hear – not just the demise of one evil madman, but the end to all the killing.

------------long snip to the end------------------

Good riddance Osama.
Come back to your ways, my good ol' USA.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com

edited to add the link (duh!!!)
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/some-final-thoughts-on-death-of-osama-bin-laden


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. Can you post a link?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. here it is:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Thanks.
That was a very thoughtful article. I don't always agree with Michael Moore, but this was pretty good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
3. "Come back to your ways, my good ol' USA"
Michael, I know you're smarter than that. Nothing succeeds like success, and as long as huge majorities of people approve of shortcuts through the Constitution and our treaty obligations based on little more than "everybody says," we'll keep doing it. Coming back to the rule of law will require an act of extraordinary political will and courage. We have plenty of will to do the politic thing, but damned little courage when it flies in the face of the "America, Fuck Yeah!" crowd you saw at the former World Trade Center site.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:12 PM
Response to Original message
5. K&R n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
6. Some good points, but the Nazi analogy has a big hole in it
There was no audience for German-style fascism postwar. They were universally shamed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:28 PM
Response to Original message
7. I think that was part of it... Of course, the idea that the MIC would give up its
profitable war on terra with a simple announcement is a farse... Also different times. Media is fast and twitter pops. Most of the people celebrating late on a Sunday evening looked more like "college" age frat kids anyway... Most adults, ie parents and grandparents were either sleeping or soaking up the news in front of the tv.

The reality is, most people said a silent "thank god"... Hopefully this gets us out of war and puts an end mark on 10 long yrs. Its been 10 yrs of non-stop "terra" alerts in coded color. Throwing out water bottles, hearing the names of people you cannot read or say become a "deck of cards" to fear... Non-stop war and terra mentality for 10yrs. People know that ending those wars means more money back home.. and we need money back home. Our roads, bridges, general infrastructure in many places look or are in as good of shape as if the military came in and bombed them.. The economy is in the toilet.

I think generalizing the people on tv celebrating as an indication of what "most" Americans were doing on Sunday night is wrong of Michael Moore. It was a tiny fraction of what most Americans were doing... Kinda like the pics of the Sadaam Hussein statue tumbling... a tight shot showed tons of Iraqi's rejoicing and having a party... wide shot shows it was a handful of people and the plaza was surrounded/ guarded by US soldiers. After President Obama made the announcement late on Sunday night, most newsies didn't have prepped sound bites. This was so secret of a mission, most of the talking heads probably had to find the most sober person they could pull on to air (someone who hadn't been drinking and playing golf at their elite clubs all afternoon). They had no real intel other than the Presidents words. What could they do? Well, they took pictures of people (kids really) showing up at ground zero and the White House partying like it was New Year's Eve.

Anyway, I think he's trying to walk back the back-lash he got after questioning our "right" to go into a sovreign "friendlY" nation, conduct an operation, and kill (assasinate) a person. However, it wasn't the President running thru a dark compound using night vision goggle unsure of what he might encounter. When the seals go in, adreneline pumping, 1 copter down, in a covert operation, not knowing if they were in Osama's lair... they shoot first and ask questions later. Its their training. Everyone questioning his killing rather than capture to attack the President is basically saying the SEALS suck... Because when they go in, the President is relying on them. They are doing their job that they trained for.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:31 PM
Response to Original message
8. I at least agree that ending these multi-billion $$$ wars would be more of a cause for celebration.
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:37 PM
Response to Original message
9. Beautifully put, MM. K&R.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:41 PM
Response to Original message
10. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
11. The world had to wait a long time to view the films...
Edited on Thu May-12-11 12:46 PM by JuniperLea
The US and the rest of the world had time to digest this stuff over the course of months... today's society knows within moments, and the knee jerk reactions that would have had time to fade in Hitler's day, are in your face within hours.

It really is a different world, no matter how you slice it.

"The real celebration came six days later at the announcement that the war in Europe was over."

Very different kind of war too.

The Nazi regime were Germany's leaders; OBL led terrorists, not a country.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:26 PM
Response to Original message
12. Thanks for posting this..
I agree with every word. Michael Moore is a GENUINE Patriot and a GENUINE Christian.
He speaks for me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:42 PM
Response to Original message
13. k & r
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 03:07 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC