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cowcommander (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:17 AM Original message |
Columbia professor arrested for incest with daughter |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. I wasn't expecting the alleged incest to begin when she was 20 years old. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Minors are the most vulnerable, but MacKenzie Philips is an example of |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
86. what we all mess out on is the years as a child and teen in manipulation, |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. Excellent points. nt |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. Two consenting adults. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I hope that's sarcasm. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
58. Do not think so... |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
77. you took the saying "incest is best" to heart didn't you |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
3. I could see this law, when applied to two consenting and mentally competent adults, being... |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. That's what I was thinking---the law may be overturned concerning consenting adults? nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:22 AM Original message |
Good grief. no. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. No, anymore than when a 10 year old "consents" to sex./ |
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hardcover (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I don't think it can be looked at as consenting adults. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
40. + 1 and welcome to DU |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
4. Consenting adults sure, but.... |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Agreed...This is truly repulsive...as in "sickening". n/t |
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connecticut yankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Disgusting |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yup. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:18 AM Response to Original message |
10. ONE count? Three years, one count? How does that happen. For a sexual relationship to be said |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
11. Stupid law. Why wasn't the daughter charged? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. The law refuses to recognize "consent" in some cases--and for very good reasons. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. So both should have been charged? Neither? |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Apparently the idea is that there's an inappropriate power relationship |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. There is a huge problem though. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. And you don't think "consent" can be the result of power? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You bet I am fucking serious. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. these cases aren't all that unusual |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Then, it is an imbalanced law. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. maybe. I don't think so |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. You seem not to know much by your comments. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
59. Umm |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:44 AM Original message |
Because fucking your kids is something society frowns upon |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
120. Society has specific rules about who can fuck whom |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
61. How disappointing that you find this thread "messed up". Life may not be quite as cut and dried as |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
93. The charge isn't rape; "consent" isn't the legally operative fact, therefore. |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Because all women should be treated as "victims" according to some people. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. BS. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
57. +1 |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Not the same thing. To say that there was an imbalance of power in this relationship |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. So your argument is that relationships shouldnt be allowed if there is an imbalance of power? |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
101. Perhaps the way that it's measured by psychologists that ban |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
73. Well, I make double what my fiance makes. |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
47. This would apply to mother and son just as well. (nt) |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
66. Clinton is not blood-related to, let alone the sire of, Ms. Lewinsky. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
105. as president he might have been slightly more powerful than a mere intern |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
72. yes, imagine thinking that a child raised by a man willing to have sex with his child |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
96. I agree |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. had this been mother and child, i would have supported prosecution for just the mother too |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #96 |
113. His age is listed as 46. Hers supposedly is 24. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
88. But then again, according to "some" people... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
65. Have you heard of "parent-child"? The former is FOREVER considered the authority-figure. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
94. Maybe a deal, due to agreeing to testify against him. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
121. Lack of consent. |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
15. ewww |
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hardcover (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I agree, a 20 year old is very young and still very much dependent |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. So basically, rewrite the laws of consent where your morals are offended. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Huh? |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
41. 20 millenia ago |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
24. What an odd case |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. +1 ! |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Thank you |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Your's is the best post in the thread. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Oh, my opinion was negative too |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Right there with ya! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. No, we're not assuming that they can never be equals |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Hang on |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
56. You are asserting the daughter can never consent, so therefore you claim they are never equals |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. No, they're simply not equal in this specific part of their relationship |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #68 |
82. "not equal in this specific part" means "not equal" |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Good analysis. |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. prison term |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Ok, but... |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #24 |
71. Thank you for this very rational post. |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
36. ew, but it shouldn't be a jailable offence if it didn't involve a minor and was otherwise consensual |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
45. Should it be legislated between adults? What if it were 25 year old siblings? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
46. It started when she was 21 years old |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
48. I wondered why this would generate such Big Media hoopla |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
49. More information at link ... |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
52. Every society needs some taboos, |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Because the thought makes you uncomfortable? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. You post as though you are unaware of the concept of "cultural mores". |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
85. How "comfortable" are you with the thought? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Very uncomfortable |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I'm glad to hear it. |
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proReality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
53. There are no details...how can this even be discussed? n/t |
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cowcommander (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Well, for starters here's the picture of the father and daughter |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. 4chan or not... |
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cowcommander (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. I dunno, it looks like him when he was thinner |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
115. But the woman looks to be in her late teens early twenties and the man |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
63. Interesting topic and I am disappointed in those that think the topic doesnt deserve discussion. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
67. "the ordeal" & "respected member of the academic community".. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
70. Do some people NOT GET that the parent-child relationship has SPECIAL ATTRIBUTES, AND THUS TABOOS?? |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. The law against incest has nothing to do with "power" or "consent" |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #74 |
116. "Possibly" ?.....The taboo is universal and ancient and in place |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
75. Epstein is a big name in political science |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
106. what special relationship? they speak of "biological" father |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #106 |
119. He's her father. No "sperm donor", no "adoptive"---her FATHER. And the "special" simply means that |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
76. What everyone is dancing around is the comparison between this crime and adult homosexuality |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Funny, I Thought We Were Dancing Around the Big Hedge Fund Guy Who's Not In Jail |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I trust that you don't have any daughters? |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
107. it said he was his biological father, there's no evidence he raised this girl |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
97. A parent child relationship doesn't stop just because a child |
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NuclearDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
79. Currently loving this thread |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
81. Father daughter incest is more common than is publicly known. I am not shocked |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. er, yes it is a crime. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Not a crime according to my good sense. I am not saying is a good thing either |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. And your conclusion is based on...? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Incest certainly is a crime. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
89. just a thought. to look at a child as potential sex partner has to create certain behaviors .... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
92. The incest taboo is one of the most ancient in human civilization. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
98. A case of "Genetic Sexual Attraction"? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. He could be referred to as her biological father |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
102. I am repulsed and thoroughly unsurprised that DU thinks incest is a-okay |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. and you thought YOU were a wild eyed liberal, lmao. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. Do not think... |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
103. Of all the chicks in the world, he picks his DAUGHTER? |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. sounds like she picked him...adopted child seeks out "biological" father, hilarity ensues |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Whatever makes you think she was in fact adopted. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #108 |
117. There is no "adopted" here. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
112. Not that I condone this relationship, this IS a relationship between adults, right? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Because incest is illegal. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:05 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. See my post #70. And drop the disingenuousness. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
122. I feel so sorry for his daughter. He must have been abusing her for years. nt |
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