Remember when we were dismissed as "Bush haters"?

[Bragi]

Remember when Bushites always claimed we opposed his wars, his lawlessness, etc. not because of we opposed his actions, but because we harbored an irrational hatred of Bush.

Well, exactly the same insulting, dismissive allegation is now being hurled by people here against anyone who disagrees with how OBL was summarily executed.

How sad is that.

[FiveGoodMen]

1. Not much of a change, is it?

[leftstreet]

2. This will all pass

Just hunker down for a bit

:-)

[TransitJohn]

3. +1, temporarily at least

I'm sure in a few seconds it'll be <0, like always. :hi:

[EFerrari]

4. My fact gathering thread

was attacked repeatedly as if gathering facts was somehow a defense of bin Laden.

We have indeed met the enemy.

[ProSense]

5. Remember when we called them "sheeple"?

"Well, exactly the same insulting, dismissive allegation is now being hurled by people here against anyone who disagrees with how OBL was..."

Self-righteous irony!

We're not Republicans. We disagree sometimes. It doesn't require an announcement.

[Wait Wut]

7. "We're not Republicans. We disagree sometimes. It doesn't require an announcement."

The only reason I'd ever want to be a R is so that I wouldn't have to argue with my closest allies.

The benefit? Improved debating skills, I would guess.

Oh. And...

+1

[Fuddnik]

22. Same herd, Different flock.

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[Luminous Animal]

10. So far, I've been accused of being a racist, a terrorist sympathizer, and an Osama fan.

I went to my 1st anti-war protest when I was 12 (Viet Nam)
I wrote protest songs against the invasion of Grenada and Nicaragua and raised money for peace organizations operating for the benefit of South & Central America.
I protested the Iraq War Part I, marching every night for weeks after work with a baby on my back.
I worked with organizations to stop Clinton's illegal bombing of Iraq, Somalia, and the protested the consequences of sanctions in Iraq (500,000 dead Iraqi children).
I protested the invasion of Afghanistan,
I protested the Iraq War Part II (for months leading up to) and was part of the movement that shut down San Francisco's downtown for 3 days.
I am currently protesting our wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, & Pakistan.

I am now and have always been against military and political assassinations, torture, indefinite detention, and the bombing of innocents.

For being consistent in my deeply held pacifists beliefs, I am now called a racist and a terrorist sympathizer.

[Poll_Blind]

11. Having the courage to openly question authority is all the credentials you need in my book.

It's the others, the sit-down-and-shut-ups, that I'd like to see the Liberal Pedigree for!

:rofl:

PB

[Luminous Animal]

12. Cheers!

:toast:

[WillyT]

18. It's Always Tough To Run Upfield, When The Lemmings Are Running Down...

:toast:

:hi:

[Poll_Blind]

8. Some people just can't encompass anything more than rooting for a team.

And maybe that's for the best because the more-complex view can be troubling. Our Senators and members of the House have working relationships and sometimes friendships with members of the other party. They also sometimes have strong disagreements with members of their own party. This is politics, after all.

Those subtle political shades of gray, probably for the most part, are lost on lots of people. The mindset evinces itself in a circle-the-wagons herd mentality where there is only us and them. It is a very "easy" mindset to adopt and it requires little introspection. And, especially on occasions like this, it gives the impression of very ugly divisions among the user base.

But really, we all have much more in common than our disagreements- and in this case vitriol- would suggest.

The late and sorely-missed Ann Richards had a sweet euphemism for this difference in complexity of viewpoint among voters, which I will paraphrase: "There are politically-minded folks and then there are people whose hearts are in the right place."

And she lightly winked and chuckled when she said it so you got the idea. I wish I could find a picture of that look, she was not only an excellent Democrat but an excellent politician, period. I think it was from one of her interviews from a show like 60 minutes. I never forgot that bit of wisdom. This is the closest I could get:


As others have said, this too shall pass.

PB

[Swede]

9. And vice versa.

[krabigirl]

13. Yep. The team mentality is pretty sad. nt

[AlabamaLibrul]

14. Rec'd to zero. Truth hurts.

[Renew Deal]

15. In the case of few, it's true.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lVWueR2uEAU/TVL-y8iLpVI/AAAAAAAAAGE/A04n19Q7djw/s1600/mirror+%25281%2529.jpg

[Bragi]

16. And now we're dismissed as "Obama haters"

On review of the OP, I forgot to mention in it that what prompted my posting was being accused, along with others, of being an irrational "Obama hater" because I was criticizing the apparent execution of OBL.

It was like talking to right-wingers in 2003 about the Iraq war, except it was happening on DU.

Anyway, as a wise person upthread said, this too shall pass.

[JVS]

19. It says a lot more about the people saying it than it does about the people it is said to.

[deaniac21]

17. We are still opposing those wars vigorously today. Maybe even

more than in 2008.

[Honeycombe8]

20. I haven't seen a post saying that questioners are Obama haters. But it IS different....

isn't it?

I mean, Obama hasn't LIED to the country about anything. Obama didn't get a bunch of Americans killed in the operation.

He approved a mission that killed a Hitler, or a Hitler wannabe. Except the Hitler wannabe wasn't a real soldier with a country and a uniform. He was a gangster, a thug.

It is really odd that anyone would have serious trouble with killing the person responsible for intentionally killing tens of thousands of totally innocent people. That's INTENTIONAL killing of INNOCENT people...because they are innocent, not because they had done anything.

It's one thing to say you prefer that he'd been caught and tried, but that you understand the other side of the coin...the need for justice and the need to ensure the world was free of his cruelty. That's not the jist of the pro-capture posts I'm reading, though.

It's about justice and protection. How could anyone not get that?

[Bragi]

21. The same excuse was given by Bush for the Iraq war /nt

[pipi_k]

23. Well, I suppose in my case...

the accusations were true.

Long before his policies were known and he sent our military into Iraq under false pretenses, I despised him.

He appeared in an interview with a newscaster on a Boston channel before the election in 2000, and he was arrogant, snide, snotty, and sarcastic. Typical asshole.


So yeah...for me it was hate on a personal level and it only got stronger as time went on.

PS...

And when RWers threw that at me, about being a "Bush-hater", I gleefully told them they were right.