My son-in-law is in Kandahar

[SHRED]

I absolutely oppose the release of any OBL photos that would increase his chances of being harmed.

If anyone has an issue with that...they can go to Hell.


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[JohnnyLib2]

1. Agreed. I'm hearing that all around this area (near Ft. Knox).

Good decision by the admin.

[yourout]

2. My middle son is in basic training in San Diego right now and will likely end up there at some point

So I agree with you totally.

[SHRED]

50. All the best to you

Hoping all goes well.

[yourout]

65. Thanks!.....should graduate in late June. Looking forward to going to San Diego.

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[Angry Dragon]

5. Pretty weak

:thumbsdown:

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[yourout]

7. +1....he can come back and flap his yap when he has someone with skin in the game.

[SHRED]

16. How anyone could be so callus...

...is beyond me.

My son-in-law is doing his best to save lives.

I will calm down now...I think.

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[yourout]

25. I won't.

It was an incredibly offensive thing to post.

[These Eyes]

32. I'm sorry that someone would be so insensitive to you...

I wish the best for your son-in-law and I hope he returns safely. By the way, I alerted on that jackass.

[Rage for Order]

29. I appreciate your S-I-L's service

I apologize if my remark came across as me being unconcerned for his, or any other soldier's, safety. I want everyone to return home safely. My point is that our enemies will try their best to kill us regardless of any photos. It is illogical to think that photos of a dead OBL would motivate our enemies more than the killing of OBL.

[BeHereNow]

39. And it is delusional to think...

that providing fuel to the fire does not increase the flames.

Why do you think the media has been forbidden to provide photos
of the dead US soldiers?

Hint- Any visual artist can tell you an image is
more powerful than a thousand words.

"Think before you post" is always a good rule to follow.
Your comment was extremely unthoughtful.

BHN

[Rage for Order]

49. The military was sued to allow pictures of the caskets of US soldiers

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/06/uttm/main647904.shtml

updated 4/28/2005 7:14:57 PM ET

A journalism professor sued the government Monday to force the Defense Department to release pictures of flag-draped coffins of soldiers arriving in the United States from wars overseas.

Ralph Begleiter, a professor at the University of Delaware and a former world affairs correspondent for CNN, filed suit under the Freedom of Information Act for the release of government photos and video of coffins arriving at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, calling them “an important part of the record of war – the history of war.

“I think the American people ought to be able to use those photographs as part of the many ways they assess the costs of war,” Begleiter told CBS News Correspondent Melissa McDermott.

The Pentagon has refused to release those photos, saying it has begun enforcing a policy installed in 1991 intended to respect the privacy of the families of the dead soldiers.

Critics counter the government is trying to hide the human cost of the war from the public.

The photos were released 2 years ago:

http://articles.boston.com/2009-02-27/news/29259338_1_pentagon-news-conference-families-united-secretary-robert-m-gates

February 27, 2009

The Defense Department, under pressure from open-government advocates, released hundreds of images Thursday of flag-draped coffins of American soldiers.

The department had previously refused to release such images, which were taken by military photographers. Nor has it allowed the news media to photograph ceremonies of soldiers’ coffins arriving in the United States, saying it is enforcing a policy installed in 1991 to respect the privacy of families of dead soldiers.

The pictures were released in response to a request for all military photos of caskets containing the remains of American soldiers taken since the United States launched its attack on Afghanistan in October 2001. Some critics have contended the government is trying to hide the human cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[BeHereNow]

53. Your point is?

I think you missed mine completely.
BHN

[LanternWaste]

77. No more than adding three gallons of gasoline to an already existing bonfire....

"My point is that our enemies will try their best to kill us regardless of any photos..."


No more than adding three gallons of gasoline to an already existing bonfire; only by mere degrees do the flames react. However, I imagine that should one's loved-one be included in that 'mere degrees' is becomes something other than an academic exercise.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. That was incredibly mean.

[uppityperson]

9. Picture this. Passions more inflamed by releasing the photos resulting in more dead people

:eyes:

[Rage for Order]

18. Am I to assume that you objected to the release of the photos from Abu Ghraib?

If not, why not? What makes those photos different from the dead OBL? Did those photos not "inflame passions" and increase the danger to our troops?

[one_voice]

41. I'll jump in here and answer...

While I agree that those involved with what happened at Abu Ghraib should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, I did not think that the public needed to see the pictures. You might want to look up what happened to Nick Berg.

I also don't think OBL's picture should be released. In both situations it adds gas to the already burning fire and puts not only our troops in danger but civilians as well. There are worse things than being shot dead as a form of retaliation, and don't think for moment that's not where it would go.

Just my opinion, as someone who also has/has had family serving in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

[SHRED]

47. agreed

[uppityperson]

60. I agree with you. Those involved need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but the

public did not need to see those pictures.

[Raschel]

56. Yes, they did. I saw one of our troops on TV saying they were on heightened alert when those photos

were released and he agrees with the President's decision.

[CJCRANE]

69. IIRC the Abu Ghraib photos were released on Bush's watch...

Then there was another set of photos that came to light that Obama decided not to release.

[Raschel]

74. I know that. To clarify, the soldier said they went on heightened alert in Iraq after Bush released

the photos.

[readmoreoften]

62. picture this: wild slippery slope speculation with no basis in reality.

[uppityperson]

76. Yeah, those Abu Ghraib photos didn't inflame anyone either, did they?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1039596&mesg_id=1039854

[uppityperson]

10. Thank you for showing to everyone just how you are.

[dems_rightnow]

13. That's a damn sad post.

WTF?

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[joshcryer]

26. +1

[Mojeoux]

38. The photos of Abu Garib taught a powerful lesson.

Of course photos of OBL's dead face could be used to recruit. In a part of the world where pictures of Muhammad, can cause riots, of course these photos would have a huge impact.

I don't get why some of the dis-respectful posters in this thread, don't GET this.

[blondeatlast]

55. +1. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. WEAK... as in so weak it is LAME

That is the real world. We should not even be having this discussion.

[cherokeeprogressive]

46. Methinks thou art a piece of shit.

Photos means MORE ENEMIES, not angrier ones.

Get it?

[joshcryer]

48. That's insulting to shit.

[patrice]

4. I've been wondering about what it would mean to any Wahabists that Musharaff has to deal with too

Remember that OBL had a little project going there for a while to liberate good Muslims from that corrupt secularist Saddam Hussein.

[liberalmuse]

11. Screw the conspirists.

The photos should not be released. I guess we'll have to take President Obama at his word, and that's fine with me. I see no point whatsoever in releasing the gruesome photos. I'm sure the Republicans would object - only if the President weren't Barack Obama.

[Modern_Matthew]

12. I don't believe in an elaborate, omnipresent terror network...

to avenge the release of some photos. That's a Bush-era fairy tale many are still living in fear under today.

[yourout]

21. Doesn't need to be a network. Just one person pushed over the edge by it with the right opportunity.

can do some damage.

Even one more parent burying his/her son or daughter because of it is to much.

[JohnnyLib2]

33. +1 and "of course."

[yourout]

36. Flip the situation around and imagine how pissed we would be if Al-Qaeda released pictures of ....

some of our mangled soldiers.

No reason the throw gas on the fire.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Al QAIDA means the Base

and it is, never has been, a network in the strictest tarms of the word... not even in 2002 or 1998.

THey are a loose group of different terror CELLS... with local command and control best case.

They follow a COMMON ideology... but not a common command and control.

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. I hope your son in law is soon returned to you-safe and whole.

I cannot imagine the job he has to do.

[SHRED]

19. thank you so much

His son was just born too so we used "Skype" so he could sorta be there.

I love that dude.

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[thewiseguy]

17. You do realize that we allegedly took out Osama bin Laden?

Releasing the photos or not we sure have pissed off the Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I do not see how your son in law's safety hinges on the release of those pictures.

[SoCalDem]

63. and many westerners could not see how a flipping CARTOON could lead to the deaths of many people..

or how a nutcase preacher in Florida's koran burning could lead to so many deaths..

Sometimes it's best to just not whack a hornets' nest with a baseball bat..

[thewiseguy]

73. There are so many fake pictures floating in that part of the world

Releasing the real one is not going to make a difference there.

[SoCalDem]

75. exactly..

It serves no purpose except to make us look like we are gloating.

[OhioChick]

20. I hope your SIL comes home soon, safe and sound. n/t

[SHRED]

23. thanks

[joshcryer]

24. Wow, DU.

Just wow.

To the OP: hope your son is well, and is out of that hell hole soon enough. :hug:

[SHRED]

27. heartfelt thank you

[quinnox]

28. perhaps they could do it where usa citizens only could look at them

Confirm the internet and computer you are requesting and you have to fill out your details proving you are American. Somehow with the tech of today maybe this can be done so only American citizens would get to see the pictures. And put restrictions that the press couldn't publish them for national security reasons.

I'm really interested to see the picture myself, and I feel strongly I have a right to see it as an American citizen.

[JohnnyLib2]

30. Every best wish for your son-in-law.

And thanks for bringing out the realities of this (photo) decision. I suspect there are thousands of families thinking just as you are.

[SHRED]

31. Thanks Johnny

[w8liftinglady]

34. Right there with you,SHRED.

Those who need to see have seen.
Screw the curious folks who haven't got skin in the game.

Positive vibes going to your sil's unit...until they all come home safe.

[SHRED]

45. lovin the vibes thanks

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I get it... this country should NOT even be having this discussion

I thank George the younger for that... for doing what should have never been done with a few photos... that should have been deep sixed so hard it is not even funny.

It goes beyond enraging the Arab world

[Canuckistanian]

40. My cousin may be there, too

But I say, release the photos.

After Baghram, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and the drone attacks, I don't see how we could be regarded with LESS respect in Afghanistan.

[SHRED]

51. I don't get it

Why would you want any chance of more attacks?

[Canuckistanian]

52. My point being - how could it get worse?

The Afghani Taliban don't make distinctions between Canadians and Americans. We've BOTH been targets since we've been there.

They hate ALL invaders. Always have, always will.

News events don't change that.

[one_voice]

42. I hope your son in law..

comes home safely. I know what it's like to worry about those fighting over there, and I agree with you!

[SHRED]

43. sweet +5

[blondeatlast]

54. No argument here--and my respect and regards to your son-in-law. Stay safe, sir. nt

[Withywindle]

57. Best wishes to your son-in-law

I hope he comes home safely soon and gets to be with his family. Like all our troops.


I agree about the pictures. Do we really need more death porn? (They'll probably leak eventually. However, I think our President did the right thing in not contributing to the sickness of the spectacle.)

[Lost-in-FL]

58. With all due respect, your son in law might be a medic but he is a soldier first.

While on medical duty as a "Combat Medic" (not as a peacemaker) he still carries a weapon of war which he is expected to use according to the training he has been given.

The release or not of OBL's pictures (which release I oppose strongly for reasons other than a concern for soldiers that know the risks involved in a military career) would not endanger him any more than the risks he has today.

I wish him well and hope he is reunited with all his family soon. I specially applaud his commitment and sacrifice, which are stronger than what others are willing to risk.

[joshcryer]

59. lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4798077&mesg_id=4799347

[Lost-in-FL]

64. And besides stalking... your point is? nt

[blondeatlast]

71. You're good.

:thumbsup:

[Lost-in-FL]

78. At twisting arguments I suppose. nt

[readmoreoften]

61. I seriously doubt the armed militias your son-in-law is fighting give a fuck about Bin Laden.

They're almost entirely paid mercenaries and local people who are angry at American invasion in their region. Only 8% of men in Afghanistan even know about 9-11. To most people there, we just invaded for some strange imperialist reason. No, I'm not going to co-sign your Bush era fantasy that your family is off fighting against Al-Qaida. He's not.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

67. Probably right, but the photos might inflame anyway

just like the burning of a Koran, the publishing of the photos might temporarily incite indignant violence.

I'm not in favor of releasing the photos, but I suspect they'll leak. Panetta wants them released, so I expect a slip-up any day.

I hope all our relatives, friends, and others make it back safe & sane. Soon.

[steve2470]

66. I hope your SIL comes home soon safe and sound. I totally agree nt

[Logical]

68. Wow, classy! n-t

[lynne]

70. Wish only the best for your SIL . . . however . . .

- given that we killed OBL - worrying about what impact his photo would have is a bit like shutting the barn door after the horse has escaped - it's too late. The damage has already been done.

[Shagbark Hickory]

72. What is the quickest route? -1