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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:36 PM
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DOJ will prosecute state workers who administer medical marijuana programs
A recent letter from the Department of Justice (DOJ), threatening state employees in charge of implementing medical marijuana laws with prosecution, has forced some governors to re-evaluate and even veto popular legislation -- all seemingly in violation of what the medical marijuana community thought was a cease-fire with the federal government.

Facing the threat of seeing otherwise innocent state employees thrown in jail, lawmakers are responding in an entirely human fashion: what Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), called "the old need to CYA -- cover your ass."

Ultimately, the administration's confusing legal position has led to a stagnation of medical marijuana reform efforts, with some states simply deciding it's not worth the risk.

It also represents a significant change in momentum for the prohibition reform movement as a whole, and one that's taken them almost entirely by surprise.




http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/04/exclusive-doj-plan-to-arrest-state-licensers-tax-dispensaries-could-doom-medical-marijuana-industry/
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:37 PM
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1. So dumb
:eyes:
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:55 AM
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20. This will directly lead to so much pain, misery, & sickness. If we could measure, we'd be outraged.
So many people's last days on earth will now be made miserable by this move.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:39 PM
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2. So much for 'hands off'
sigh
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:47 PM
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3. Yet another broken promise....
Obama is going to have to off a few more high-profile terrorists to make up for this shit.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:56 PM
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4. One of many, in a ceaseless line of them...
n/t
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:38 AM
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21. ...which began on Inauguration Day.
Literally.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:18 AM
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26. But it's just one speech! Nt
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:07 PM
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5. How many states have legalized it now?
How many more want to? Could there be enough to amend the constitution?
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 05:23 PM
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14. I think it is like 15.
But I seem to remember some polling showing that something like 72% of all Americans favor decriminalization for recreational use. But 95% of the public was against the bankster bailout, and they did that anyway, so since when does our government listen to us?
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:09 PM
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6. I'd rather Osama be alive and the War of (some) Drugs dead.
Osama is a lot less dangerous to the peace and welfare of Americans than the Obama-Holder Justice Dept is.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:38 PM
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15. Some truth to what you say
when you add up all the lives and families the war on drugs has destroyed. Not to mention the continuing war in Mexico that takes more and more lives each week.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:00 AM
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19. +1
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:51 AM
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22. +1
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:15 AM
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23. Agree with you. Nt
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:13 PM
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7. Didn't expect this from this president
Last one perhaps, but not this one. From 2008...

As the candidates prepare for a May 20 primary in Oregon, one of 12 states with a California-style law, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois has become an increasingly firm advocate of ending federal intervention and letting states make their own rules when it comes to medical marijuana.

Obama went a step further in an interview in March with the Mail Tribune newspaper in Medford, Ore. While still expressing qualms about patients growing their own supply or getting it from "mom-and-pop stores," he said it is "entirely appropriate" for a state to legalize the medical use of marijuana, "with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/12/MNKK10FD53.DTL
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:13 PM
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8. Some of the Feds I know were told recently that they could lose their job
even if their spouse was a legal medical marijuana card holder.

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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:16 AM
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24. Who would even want to work for them, with rules like that. Disgusting.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:15 PM
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9. God forbid the Department of Injustice/Buzz Killing prosecute anything harmful like torture, etc.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:18 PM
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10. Torture is OK, but don't spark that bud!!
The DOJ that won't prosecute war criminals, election riggers or banksters goes after public workers for doing nothing more than implementing the duly legislated will of the people. Hey assholes, you don't make the rules...WE do!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:32 PM
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11. This action implies that the DOJ could override state law. So when is the DOJ going to step into
action against those new teabagger governors who are savaging their citizens' rights???
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:41 PM
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12. I just don't know what to think anymore..
"The Justice Department going after sick individuals using this as a palliative instead of going after serious criminals makes no sense."

Obama July 2007..

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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:57 AM
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16. Actions speak louder than words
and I'm afraid that he simply hid his true feelings on medical cannabis in order to get elected.

Extremely disappointed.
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:48 AM
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18. that and the fact that the FDA/PHARMA control the agenda of both parties
election reform isn't just a good idea, it's a crisis



"Fluid Extract. Cannabis Indica. USP eighth revision. The flowering tops of cannabis sativa. Alcohol 60 percent. Physiologically tested. A.D.S.. Guaranteed by the American Druggist Syndicate under the Food and Drugs Act, June 30, 1906. Serial number 1218. Manufactured by the American Druggists Syndicate Laboratories. Long Island City. Greater New York."
The American Druggists Syndicate company was merged into Vadsco Sales in 1928.

>>>"The American Druggists Synicate" LOL

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 05:11 PM
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13. I am being to think that Holder makes Alberto Gonzales look good. nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:15 AM
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17. Wonderful priorities, Mr. Holder. nt
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:17 AM
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25. Bring it on. The people in so many states overwhelmingly approve of medical cannabis.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:25 AM
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27. You guys know why this administration is doing this right?
It's a push to get medical cannabis out of the hands of independent growers and into large multinational pharma corporations, where they believe the profits belong.

Just as the federal government is clamping down on medical marijuana dispensaries, the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) may be set to give Big Pharma the clearance to take over the market.

In 2007, GW Pharmaceuticals announced that it partnered with Otsuka to bring "Sativex" -- or liquefied marijuana -- to the U.S. The companies recently completed Phase II efficacy and safety trials testing and began discussion with the FDA for Phase III testing. Phase III is generally thought to be the final step before the drug can be marketed in the U.S.

"GW Pharmaceuticals plc (AIM: GWP) today announces the initiation of the Phase III clinical trials programme of Sativex in the treatment of pain in patients with advanced cancer, who experience inadequate analgesia during optimized chronic opioid therapy," GW said in a statement. "This indication represents the initial target indication for Sativex in the United States."

Sativex is the brand name for a drug derived from cannabis sativa. It's an extract from the whole plant cannabis, not a synthetic compound. Even GW defines the drug (.pdf) as marijuana.

Yet as the FDA is poised to approve the drug for Big Pharma, state-licensed medical marijuana dispensaries that provide relief for thousands of Americans are under attack by other federal agencies.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/20/big-pharma-set-to-take-over-medical-marijuana-market/
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:54 AM
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28. The date on that article is 4/20
:smoke:
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:26 PM
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29. Wait a minute while I pull this knife out of my back.
Sorry, but, there's no way on this planet I can vote for a backstabber.

n/t
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:59 PM
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30. The Federal Government Doesn't Even Have Jurisdiction In My Opinion
I will post again my rundown of the law, which I believe the federal government (not surprisingly) chooses not to follow.

Referring to the U.S. Constitution, Marbury vs Madison, and also the recent supreme court case Gonzales vs Raich.

As we all know President Nixon created the DEA and the Controlled Substance Act (CSA) of 1970. It is this law which the federal government claims gives federal jurisdiction and authority to the DEA & DOJ on this matter. It is the interstate commerce clause (ICC) which the federal government claims gives the CSA constitutional authority.

As we all know, the Tenth Amendment of the constitution expressly restricts federal authority to what is enumerated within the constitution with all else being reserved to the states or to the individual. This is where Marbury vs Madison comes into play here. Within Marbury vs Madison the supreme court makes it clear that legislative *ACTS* are subordinate to the constitution, thus, making any legislative act contrary to the constitution null & void.

This of course is why when our country first had federal laws prohibiting the consumption of an intoxicant (in this case alcohol) the government got a constitutional amendment. Obviously of course because the wording in the tenth amendment makes it clear that all powers of the federal government are derived by what is enumerated in the constitution. If no constitutional enumeration, then, it is a state matter.

However, this is not the reality of today. Instead of getting a constitutional amendment (just like with alcohol prohibition) in order to have constitutional federal jurisdiction. Instead this time the federal government seeks to circumvent the constitution by making the erroneous claim the CSA derives its constitutional authority from the ICC within the constitution, which, of course, gives authority to congress to regulate interstate commerce.

But when we examine the supreme court case of Gonzales vs Raich we can see just how erroneous and absurd the federal government's claim is.

Here's an excerpt from Gonzales vs Raich so people can see in black & white just how absurd the federal government's claim is when claiming the ICC grants the federal government and the CSA jurisdiction..




      Gonzales v. Raich

      (b) Congress’ power to regulate purely local activities that are part of an economic “class of activities” that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce is firmly established. See, e.g., Perez v. United States, 402 U.S. 146, 151. If Congress decides that the “ ‘total incidence’ ” of a practice poses a threat to a national market, it may regulate the entire class. See, e.g., id., at 154—155.

      Of particular relevance here is Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111, 127—128, where, in rejecting the appellee farmer’s contention that Congress’ admitted power to regulate the production of wheat for commerce did not authorize federal regulation of wheat production intended wholly for the appellee’s own consumption, the Court established that Congress can regulate purely intrastate activity that is not itself “commercial,” i.e., not produced for sale, if it concludes that failure to regulate that class of activity would undercut the regulation of the interstate market in that commodity.

      The similarities between this case and Wickard are striking. In both cases, the regulation is squarely within Congress’ commerce power because production of the commodity meant for home consumption, be it wheat or marijuana, has a substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity.

      In assessing the scope of Congress’ Commerce Clause authority, the Court need not determine whether respondents’ activities, taken in the aggregate, substantially affect interstate commerce in fact, but only whether a “rational basis” exists for so concluding. E.g., Lopez, 514 U.S., at 557. Given the enforcement difficulties that attend distinguishing between marijuana cultivated locally and marijuana grown elsewhere, 21 U.S.C. § 801(5), and concerns about diversion into illicit channels, the Court has no difficulty concluding that Congress had a rational basis for believing that failure to regulate the intrastate manufacture and possession of marijuana would leave a gaping hole in the CSA (Controlled Substance Act).




  1. "Substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity." Whaaaa???

  2. "Diversions into illicit channels" Wtf???


"Diversions". Let us be clear here, diversions *FROM* what? Because if one of the two basis for your argument is concern over a product being diverted into "illicit" (illegal) channels, then, by default you are acknowledging a non illicit (legal) market for that product because if you consider all markets for that product to be illegal in the first place, then, using the term "diversion into illicit channels" is completely not germane. Instead its completely contradictory.

The other of the two arguments the court is making, expressing concern over having "substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity" is also equally making the point of a legal national marijuana market.

So you see the language in this case is a clear indication of the government shoveling bullshit to the public. Their argument is completely contradictory. On one hand this case cites marijuana as being an illegal substance. But on the other hand it refers to both illicit and non illicit markets for marijuana to make the two complaints that 1) home growing it for only personal use still affects the interstate market for it, i.e. the legal market for it. Legal market? 2) that home growing it for only personal use runs the problem of not knowing if any of it is making its way into the illicit market. Which in of itself also implies a non illicit market for it. Again, a legal market? Really?

As you can see the language the supreme court chose to use in an attempt to dance around the constitution forces them to infer the existence of a legal market for something while at the same time they're exclaiming it to be illegal. This is a classic example of what happens when bullshit attempts to subvert the constitution. What comes out is contradictions and subversive bullshit!

So the way I see it with respect to the constitution's tenth amendment, Marbury vs Madison, Gonzales vs Raich and the legal history behind alcohol prohibition. The federal government's claim is complete bullshit, and, according strictly to the law it is a matter solely belonging to the states.


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