Republican Noise that "the intel came from torture"

[Taverner]

What to use as a rebuttal?

[mucifer]

1. Rumsfeld said it's not true

[former9thward]

7. I'll trust the current CIA Director over Rumsfeld who has been out of power for years.

[KaryninMiami]

2. I'd say prove it. Where is the evidence?

This is the only thing they've got. But since they cannot prove that this is really what happened, remember that this is what they do best. Talking points and spin- over and over and over. Until people start to believe it.

[mucifer]

3. ooo I found a drudge report link you can give them to confirm this!

http://www.drudge.com/news/143856/rumsfeld-no-torture-bin-laden-source

for sane people, here's a daily kos link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/03/972665/-Rumsfeld-confirms:-Waterboarding-did-not-net-intelligence-that-led-to-binLaden

[jillan]

8. lol - that site is called Drudge Retort. It's a great site!

[OHdem10]

4. On Tweety Howard Fineman said the one good thing the Pakis

did---they helped find and identify the Courier.

Brennan, NSA to Pres., said something very similar.

[RandomThoughts]

5. Is the Birth Cirtificate real.

That would work.


The entire issue about everything, is credibility, they spend it with every caught lie, so that is also why transparency removes the ability for those doing wrong by lie to operate.

It is only through credibility that someone can get someone to follow them, and why the exposing of lies destroys a tower built on lies.


However, what if the lie is the exposing, not what happened, so it has to make sense, and no longer is about what is but what can be shown to make sense including by observation. So people need education, and the ability to both see for themselves, read people, and rationalize the situation around them with what they hear the situation is.

I am due beer and travel money, so there are still many issues out there, and it can be specifically stated that no issues have been corrected, while that issue is not corrected.

Since the rest of the issues depend on crediblity and there is no credibility, while that issue is not corrected.

While I am still due beer and travel money, and many experiences, nothing else is credible.

[BlueCaliDem]

10. Excellent rebuttal - but then they throw a "Red herring!" at you. I've had

one of these assholes on Huffington Post, hiding behind an avatar of a black man, and calling himself Zeus9000, toss "Red herring!" at me when I merely explained to him not to throw stones since another rightwing poster was calling my responses "red herrings" because it didn't exactly follow his line of attacking ONLY Democrats.

[RandomThoughts]

11. Got that covered in another post.

[BlueCaliDem]

13. Can I get a link to it? Thanks! eom

[RandomThoughts]

14. Its the one with a couple pink flyod songs in it.

Was a comment on all the torture apologists.

It has a deep concept of security over freedom in it also.

with a comment about the story Dune.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1029852&mesg_id=1029904


Fear is the ultimate red hearing, since it is a projection of what some think might happen, usually out of proportion or rational thought.

[AlabamaLibrul]

6. This:

"Fuck torture, it is never acceptable. I don't care who is the President, it is not a valid method of gathering information."

That's what I would say.

[former9thward]

9. Some of the intel did come from torture.

Panetta admitted it. http://www.nbcumv.com/mediavillage/networks/nbcnews/nbcnightlynewswithbrianwilliams/pressreleases?pr=contents/press-releases/2011/05/03/embargoedtransc1304458683776.xml

But all information has to be verified by other sources no matter what source it comes from.

[malaise]

12. Matthew Alexander n/t