Al Qaeda is DEAD! A Major COUP for Obama. Are we creating a NEW RADICALISM in Libya?

[Distant Observer]

Thanks to a masterful, commanding, Democratic, President: Al Qaeda is over.

Osama bin Laden provided the spiritual energy and strategic vision for that deadly organization and the global movement. This was rooted in who he was - a prince who became a pauper for his cause -- and what he did -- almost single-handedly lead the mujahideen to victory over the Soviet Empire in Afghanistan.

With his death, Al Qaeda dies.

But, lets not forget that, with our allies the Saudi Rulers (and other financiers in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), WE CREATED AL QAEDA. We began creating Al Qaeda under a Democratic President (Carter) and continued under a Republican (Reagan).

In Afghanistan we raised the notion that political and religious goals can be achieved through spiritual, suicidal and passionate militancy to being a powerful force. Osama, formerly a devout Muslim and construction mogul, rode this vehicle of militant Islam to victorious battles and the creation of Al Qaeda (The Base) - totally committed to training and deploying Islamic militancy.

A combination of bizarre and perverse blunders in the US-Saudi alliance and their use/miss-use of Osama's militants resulted in Al Qaeda becoming the monstrous treat to Western interests that it became.

Now we are doing it again in Libya.

John Brennan today said that he hoped the death of bin Laden would de-fuse the notion that political objectives should be achieved through MILITANCY. But that is EXACTLY the fuse we lit and the flames we fan by our military support for the militant factions in Libya.

Like the Afghan mujahideen, their cause might be just, their spiritual and ideological devotions sincere, but they brought to their struggle an intense militancy that undermines the kind of dialog, compromise and inclusion that in our modern world makes for a good society.

And, again, the West with their Oil Potentate allies, are using these sincere people for their own purposes, and will deliver to them the terrible social consequences of a bloody civil war. In this war, we are not risking our lives, but we are systematically destroying their society.

John Brennan and others in Intelligence and Counter-Terrorism strongly advised the President against the current course in Libya. Lets hope our President keeps an open ear to this advice in the future.

[thewiseguy]

1. Al Qaeda is not dead.

[tekisui]

2. The Al Qaeda that attacked the US on 9/11 has long been effectively dead.

They have been reduced to just a handful of people at the top hiding out.

The wannabe AQs, the local groups who emulate or derived from the AQ are still around. But, they are nowhere near the sophistication and ability of the original.

[Distant Observer]

8. As long as bin Laden was there, he could command a following and authorize the kind of

major attack that the West fears the most.

[tekisui]

9. Not really.

He had been pretty effectively neutered and a significant chunk of his money had been wiped out. We had basically destabilized his operation.

[Distant Observer]

10. OH, that's the Bush regime doctrine. Bin Laden not really important. I don't believe it.

[tekisui]

11. Very important, psychologically. This was a great step in putting

fear-mongering and boogeymen behind us. It gives closure and a clear success.

How it will change things on the ground? I doubt it will change much.

[Distant Observer]

16. It could, if we turned away from pre-occupation with "War on Terror" and focused on Economic,

social and spiritual fundamental of a good society.

[Solomon]

3. No it's not but it is severely damaged.

They've taken a severe emotional hit. I'm sure a lot of them believed that Bin Laden had the protection of Allah. Imagine the confusion right now for them.

I also hope that we get the hell out of Libya and let them resolve it for themselves. I wish we could get out of Iraq and Afganistan. I don't know if the powers that control will let us do that.
After all, it would be abandoning the opportunity to control the oil and through that, the world.

[Distant Observer]

13. Yes, unfortunately, in Libya the issue is now ARROGANCE - the West cannot be seen to fail

once they have committed their superior military force into the war.

[Distant Observer]

5. Al Qaeda was not a political organization. Leadership is a matter of myth and personality

These things can't be transferred. Bin Laden inspired others to follow his example because of who he was and a body of myths about his spirituality and personal life of self-sacrifice. These myths cannot be created out of whole cloth overnight.

[RainDog]

4. al qaeda had already been sidelined by pro-democracy technocrats

that's the present and the future, not a cave in a border region.

[Distant Observer]

6. But we are re-creating leading roles for Islamic militancy by what we are doing in Libya.

[dionysus]

7. .

:rofl:

[jakeXT]

12. Al Qaeda is a useful tool for wrecking havoc

It began in 1992, when 45 African nations established RASCOM (Regional African Satellite Communication Organization) so that Africa would have its own satellite and slash communication costs in the continent. This was a time when phone calls to and from Africa were the most expensive in the world because of the annual US$500 million fee pocketed by Europe for the use of its satellites like Intelsat for phone conversations, including those within the same country.

An African satellite only cost a onetime payment of US$400 million and the continent no longer had to pay a US$500 million annual lease. Which banker wouldn’t finance such a project? But the problem remained – how can slaves, seeking to free themselves from their master’s exploitation ask the master’s help to achieve that freedom? Not surprisingly, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the USA, Europe only made vague promises for 14 years. Gaddafi put an end to these futile pleas to the western ‘benefactors’ with their exorbitant interest rates. The Libyan guide put US$300 million on the table; the African Development Bank added US$50 million more and the West African Development Bank a further US$27 million – and that’s how Africa got its first communications satellite on 26 December 2007.26

http://japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/3522

That really sounds like Barbarians coming together.

Brzezinski is most revealing when he describes the mechanisms and purposes of America's strategy of preponderance, whose "three grand imperatives," he explains, are "to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to prevent the barbarians from coming together."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_n1_v30/ai_20305935/

[Distant Observer]

14. Tragically, it was Gaddafi roles in leading African independence from West that made him most hated

Increasingly, under Gaddafi's example, many African countries were moving deals away from Europe towards China.

[Distant Observer]

15. Fareed Zakaria, on AC360: Al Qaeda is DEAD. Exactly same analysis

Pointed out that with Al Qaeda done, US should pull back from the preoccupation with "security" and "terror" and refocus national priorities and investments.

Of course there was Ari Fleischer propping up the Official Story.