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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:30 PM
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Poll question: Who was the most recent liberal/progressive Democratic President of the United States?
Read the question carefully. I'm not asking who was the most liberal/progressive Democratic President. I think a big majority here would agree it was FDR. Who do you think was THE MOST RECENT liberal/progressive Democratic President?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:52 PM
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1. LBJ was the last Dem before the Party became defensively centrist
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 01:58 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
The trouncing of McGovern in '72 with the RW characterization of his platform as "Acid, Amnesty and Abortion" began the association of the Democratic Party with the "hippies" that all subsequent Dems have essentially apologized for.

That is not to say that all subsequent Dems have been to the right of LBJ. Times change, the spectrum shifts.

But trying to tag any post-1972 Democratic presidential aspirant as a liberal produced an objection.

(Ironically, when accused of being a liberal Hillary protested that she's a progressive because the word progressive wasn't as tainted yet.)
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:53 PM
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2. What has Obama done that is liberal/progressive?
Not looking to start a flamefest, just looking for answers.

Today's Republican party has gone off the deep end, true. So the scale of liberal vs conservative has a rightward tilt. But there were things Nixon did (EPA) and even Reagan (raise taxes) did, that would be to the left of the GOP of today.

What progressive things has Obama done that a sane, non-NeoCon, moderate Republican wouldn't do?


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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:59 PM
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4. He's a Centerist, At Best.
Despite the ravings of the Glenn Beck crowd, the reactionary Republicans and the teabaggers, Obama is most decidedly NOT a 'socialist' or a 'communist' or a 'Marxist' or a 'lefty ... how 'liberal' he is in the FDR sense is even open to debate.

Evidence thus far is that Obama is a very, very cautious, center, corporatist.

And ... actually, I don't think we have ever had a genuinely liberal, progressive president, though FDR probably comes the closest.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:15 PM
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7. Here's a few. You're welcome.
  • Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.
  • Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.
  • Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.
  • Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).
  • Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families."
  • Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
  • Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.
  • Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the "Durban Review Conference," U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”
  • Signed the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2009 expanding health coverage for 250,000 children.
  • Rescinded a Bush administration directive that effectively made it impossible for states to raise their eligibility limits under the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) above 250 percent of the poverty level.
  • Named Wilma Liebman as the next chairwoman of the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB). As an NLRB member over the past eight years, Liebman challenged the Bush administration’s war on workers.
  • Nominated Mark Pearce, a member of the New York State United Teachers union, and Craig Becker, current associate general counsel for the AFL-CIO and the Service Employees International Union, to the to the National Labor Relations Board.
  • Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.
  • Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.
  • Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.
  • Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.
  • Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.
  • Established a credit card "bill of rights".
  • Expanded loan programs for small businesses.
  • Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
  • Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).
  • Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.
  • Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.
  • Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.
  • Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.
  • Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.
  • Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.
  • Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.
  • On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.
  • Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.
  • Bars independent contractors from conducting interrogations of terror suspects.
  • Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba.
  • Ordered the release of nearly a quarter of a million pages of records from the Reagan White House that were kept from the public during a lengthy review by President George W. Bush.
  • Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.
  • Released presidential records.
  • Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
  • Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.
  • Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.
  • Created a White House Office on Urban Policy.
  • Increased funding for the NEA.
  • Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.
  • Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.
  • Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.
  • Investment in all types of alternative energy.
  • Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.
  • Support for high-speed rail.
  • Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
  • Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits.
  • Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.
  • Stopped raids on medical marijuana dispensers.
  • Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States, the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.
  • Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.
  • Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.
  • Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.
  • Signed the Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act to curb wasteful spending by the Pentagon. Intended to price contracts and budgets lower; may potentially save billions of dollars in defense.
  • Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009, which serves to protect two million acres of land and creates a new system of land conservation for the Bureau of Land Management.
  • Phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000 a year and eliminates subsidies for cotton storage to help trim the U.S. budget deficit.
  • Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.
  • Restored Endangered Species Act Provision requiring U.S. agencies consult with independent federal experts to determine if their actions might harm threatened and endangered species.
  • Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."
  • Signed the 2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act designating two million additional acres of public wilderness areas the highest level of government protection from logging and other forms of commercial use and development.
  • Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.
  • Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.
  • Established the White House Office of Health Reform
  • Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.
  • Signed into law the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act
  • Overturned a 22-year-old travel and immigration ban against people with HIV.
  • Extended the Ryan White HIV/AIDS program.
  • Directed US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice to sign the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities Proclamation. The UN treaty calls on all countries to guarantee equal benefits, protection, and justice for individuals with disabilities around the world.
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    timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:34 PM
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    8. Continually posting a nonsense laundry list of routine duties will eventually hurt your cause.
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    MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 03:32 PM
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    11. "routine duties"? Good luck getting those done under the next rethug.
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    Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:25 PM
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    13. Did the Republicans "filibuster" any of these measures in the Senate?

    Or were they mainly executive decisions not subject to Senate/House votes?
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    totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:08 PM
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    23. That's a pretty low standard of comparison isn't it? n/t
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    Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:35 PM
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    26. Your post and
    a few others in this thread have proven what I and many others have been saying for a long time now..............NOTHING this man does will be good enough for you, the pure haters of all things Obama.

    How this shit is allowed daily blows my mind. Lies have to be made up about him, made up headlines used against him and your post, the post blowing everything he's accomplished off as nothing.

    You're the one who is hurting your cause. To not even be able to say that the list of accomplishments is impressive shows that you in fact are a pure hater of all things Obama.
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    tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:35 PM
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    17. And you're welcome, too.
    Some of these I'd call liberal, some just get us back to 0 from the Bushian right, and quite a few have caveats (like signing Matthew Shepherd after the thing with Rick Warren and the support of DOMA). But this is good. I'm gonna read it over a few times, study it a bit. But I appreciate it. So now I will say: Thank you.
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    MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 03:34 PM
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    12. Transparency in government, for one
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/73645-obama-scores-well-for-first-year-on-ethics-say-watchdogs

    Obama wins the most applause for putting senior aides in place whose primary job is better ethics and transparency in the federal government. The appointees include Norm Eisen, Obama’s Harvard Law School classmate and the administration’s ethics czar who is stationed in the White House Counsel’s office; Beth Noveck, the deputy chief technology officer who is leading the Open Government Initiative; and Vivek Kundra, the chief information officer.

    “What I find most encouraging is that there is a core group of people at the White House who genuinely care about these issues,” said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at Federation of American Scientists. “There is now ‘someone to talk to’ at the White House in a way that there wasn’t before. And we are already starting to see some results from those conversations, such as the Open Government Directive, and other emerging policies.”
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    TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:30 PM
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    14. Not just the GOP
    Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 05:31 PM by TheBigotBasher
    but the cancerous militant wing of the Republican Party, operating from Democratic benches, ie Nelson, Lieberman, and Co.
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    harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:44 PM
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    27. Nothing yet. The list I would be waiting to see some action on:
    (as I have posted before)

    * Ending Cuba embargo, normalizing relations
    * Single Payer Health Care
    * Making higher education more accessible and affordable to Middle/Lower class
    * Making housing more accessible and affordable to Middle/Lower class
    * Reducing military spending
    * Ending occupation of Iraq
    * Ending occupation of Afghanistan
    * Closing Guantanamo Bay
    * Capping Credit Card interest rates
    * Getting electric cars available for sale (not lease)
    * Building new high speed rail routes
    * Break up Corporate Media

    So far it looks like we are going to get institutionalized for-profit mandated Health Insurance. We actually had to fight to get that. So unless they stop trying to out-Republican the Republicans I am not hopeful for ANY Progressive/Liberal action.
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    jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:08 PM
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    37. How 'bout lifting the ban on needle exchanges? n/t
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    Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:58 PM
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    3. Nixon
    :)
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    Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:55 PM
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    36. Certainly more liberal than any subsequent administration and that is a crying shame. nt
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    TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:00 PM
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    5. LBJ
    Obama is only liberal when compared to the feces throwing monkies that make up the modern Republican party. I'd call him more of a traditional moderate at this point with a centrist belief system.
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    Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:05 PM
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    6. lbj without question
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    timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:35 PM
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    9. Carter and Obama.
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    Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:53 PM
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    10. If you mean "liberal/progressive in mindset", probably Obama.
    If you mean "definitively and decisively successful in expanding liberal/progressive public policies on all fronts", nobody, ever.
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    depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:40 PM
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    15. American's ignorance of history is showing again....
    Either that, or posters are trying to annoy you. Neither would surprise me.

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    totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 06:00 PM
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    16. LBJ. Too bad it all had to fall aprt over Viet Nam. n/t
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    tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:39 PM
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    18. Now he had moral courage AND political chutzpah!
    He got it done, and accepted the political cost. I love him, and how I wish Vietnam had
    never happened.
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    blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:22 PM
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    19. LBJ was also a vindictive asshole
    He did some wonderful things but he was far from perfect.
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    totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:07 PM
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    22. Yes, but in politics sometimes that sort of thing is necessary make accomplishments.
    Sometimes I wish Obama could be a bit more vindictive. Instead of kissing Lieberman's ass, he should be threatening him.
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    blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:31 PM
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    24. We had an airbase in my hometown
    That airbase was vital to the local economy.

    Our counties/districts did not vote for LBJ in the 1964 election.

    In the cold of winter, Air Force One landed at the Amarillo National Airport and president Johnson stepped off the plane. He walked up to the makeshift podium and told the gathered dignitaries that because our area did not support him he was closing our airbase. It took us ten years to recover.

    When I say vindictive asshole, I mean vindictive asshole. I don't mean pushing around some whiny little senator.
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    tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:02 AM
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    31. Yeah, I can see how that would piss you off.
    I don't know the whole story, but I'll take your word for it. I'd give him points for brutal honesty, if not for tact, tho.
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    tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:59 AM
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    30. Sometimes a good ballbuster is exactly what we need.
    You are so right!!! My greatest heroes are people who fight for the defenseless, the voiceless, the disenfrachised. Not the ones who compromise as a first resort. And certainly not the ones trying to save their own behinds or get reelected.
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    IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:43 PM
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    21. Yep, LBJ was the last liberal President
    but his decision to escalate the war in Vietnam led to his political grave.
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    burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:41 PM
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    20. Lyndon.
    .
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    Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:35 PM
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    25. LBJ nt
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    andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:26 PM
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    28. Depends on how one defines liberal: social, economic, or anti-corporation
    Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 11:33 PM by andym
    President Obama is more liberal on social issues than any of the others, as the country has moved progressively leftward socially. Although LBJ was critical to civil rights success, it is quite uncertain to me that he would have supported gay rights in any way. FDR lagged on civil rights.

    On economic issues, LBJ and FDR gave us respectively the Great Society and the New Deal, basically creating the social safety net. Truman would have expanded the social safety net with Universal Care, but he failed.

    On anti-corporatism, LBJ cooperated with the military industrial complex.

    FDR railed against corporations but his relationship with them was more complex-- he did not nationalize banks in 1932, he supported them. However, he created a series of programs to regulate them, FDIC and Glass-Steagall being successful. The National Recovery Administration (declared unconstitutional) created a very close relationship between the federal government and business (with the govt in control). Some considered it a step on the road to fascism (see Huey Long). On the other hand the later National Labor Relations Act helped make unions far more powerful and helped counterbalance corporate power. Too complex a topic for this post.

    It's too early to establish how liberal/progressive President Obama will be in office.

    On economic issues, President Obama favors Universal healthcare which can be seen as extending the social safety net. This is in the spirit of the best liberal traditions.

    On anti-corporatism, President Obama seems to believe that private enterprise needs more regulation (see health care and financial reform), but appears to believe that the current level of corporate power is acceptable (incremental fixes rather than fundamental change). So far, he can not be considered a strong anti-corporatist.
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    mister1979 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:50 AM
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    34. Its because the Democrats under liberal.....
    .....and progressive presidents have a very big tent (much to the GOP which says they have a big tent but now only want to allow the opinions of the fringe rightwing groups like the Teabaggers, rightwing militias, and aryan anglo white extremes.) You see, the Dems even when you just look at the tent hae a base of social conservative who happen to be economic progressive (the Union guys) and then we have the social progressive who are more or not completely economic conservative. Still we also have the intellectuallsthat are both social and economic progressive. What we need is a leader who can rough and tumble to keep the Dems together not seen since lbj.
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    Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:22 AM
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    29. LBJ.
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    proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:06 AM
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    32. All of you who voted for Obama-
    please share why you think he is a liberal.
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    mister1979 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:32 AM
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    33. Lbj was definitely the last real liberal.....
    .....because we have had a rightwing hijacking of this country since the 1970s and corporate shills took over even the dems. Still i believe Carter and Clinton had liberal qualities to them. They just did not use them.
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    Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:39 PM
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    35. None of the above
    N/T
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    VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:16 PM
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    38. Voting for Obama as a liberal/progressive shows how far right the party has gone.
    When a right leaning centrist is considered a liberal, things are not good.
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    invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:06 PM
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    39. LBJ (except for foreign and military policies)
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