Howard Dean is happy he isn't the one who killed the bill.

[dkf]

But he would have if he were a senator. In all good conscience he simply couldn't live with himself if he subjected americans to what he knows is coming.

[NYCGirl]

1. Where did he say this? NT

[dkf]

4. I saw him on msnbc. He said if he was a senator he would not vote for the bill

But he is happy it is passing. I'm reading between the lines that he likes winning the political game but thinks the legislation is inadequate and has little hope of being fixed.

[pnwmom]

18. I believe he said after that that it depends on what happens in conference.

Which hasn't happened yet.

[dkf]

20. He said if he was a senator He would vote no.

[niceypoo]

21. He said that a week ago when Obama folded to Lieberman

Many of the things he didnt like have since been fixed, and now he says otherwise.

[dkf]

28. Nope he said if today

Heard it with my own ears. He said it's a better bill but if he was a senator he would vote no.

[Cha]

2. Link?

[Champion Jack]

3. hmmmm

[dkf]

6. He enjoys schadenfreude as much as the next guy.

[Champion Jack]

7. How the fuck do you know?

[dkf]

12. Well he said the thing that made him happy about passing the bill is that he

Thought republican behavior was reprehensible.

[ShortnFiery]

5. You got that right. I hope Bernie Sanders' Community Clinics are good enough for selling out

the Middle Class.

Only the VERY POOR and the VERY WEALTHY will be served by this piece of shit bill. :grr:

[Divine Discontent]

8. the middle class appears pinched again, oh, the upper class according to Krugman, sorry.

lol.. he said, 44K for a single, and 88k for a rich man was good.

I want the good things in this reform bill, but I expect a public option at the LEAST in this bill... maybe we'll get it.

[ShortnFiery]

14. We LOST. Now, save for a small "merchant class" we all are POOR. We all work

for Corporate Masters. This will GUT the middle class. Congrats.

[denem]

10. And who gives a shit about the VERY poor?

[ShortnFiery]

11. If it GUTS "the middle class" we will all be at the MERCY of the "very rich"

[CreekDog]

17. Look, if Bernie Sanders if your enemy, you might as well just pack it in right now

there is no hope at all ever for anything you support EVER.

so just give it up right now. seriously.

and yes, using terms like "selling out" is basically making someone your enemy, you are placing him in a category of people that it is clear you don't see fit to work with you on anything.

he is our one and only socialist in congress, period.

if he's not good enough, there is no hope for anything you care about and NOT EVEN ONE reliable VOTE in all of congress for things like it.

you've explained what you require and who you approve and disapprove of and whose ethics you can count on.

now you've got almost nobody to work with.

your choice. :shrug:

[BeyondGeography]

9. Oh bullshit

[dkf]

13. Just wait for YouTube.

I'm sure it will pop up soon enough. It was an interview with Schuster.

[BeyondGeography]

15. I call bullshit on Howard

Look who the holdouts were; wasn't the progressives, it was the conservadems. He can say what he wants from his armchair, but he wouldn't have been out there on a limb with Lieberman and Nelson were he in the Senate.

[dkf]

16. Well I think if he were in the senate we would probably have a better bill he could live with.

He would have done everything to not put himself in the position of voting for this inadequacy of a bill

[Cha]

19. If If If ..we're dealing in reality.

[depakid]

22. Howard Dean is thanking his lucky stars that he's not part of the administration!

while he played good soldier for a long time and probably longer than he would have liked -there comes a time when enough is enough.

Best tohave left the pandering and appeasement to Obama, Rahm and Sebellius.

[dkf]

23. He would have been miserable.

He tries to play water carrying shill but you know it's killing him.

[depakid]

24. The bait & switch on the public option- and then the medicare buy in must have been galling

seeing as how he was out there arguing cogently for them day after day....

(of course, so were some DUer's, who don't seem the least bit bothered).

[jenmito]

25. Today he said he'd let it through so it could hopefully change for the better in conference.

He said the bill has improved in the last week or so. :eyes:

[Cha]

26. Thanks jenmito..

:hi:

[jenmito]

27. My pleasure.

:hi: