Clyburn "Cringed " When Obama Told Black Caucus to 'Stop Crying!'"

[KoKo]

James Clyburn (D-SC) “Cringed” When Obama Told Black Caucus to “Stop Crying”
By: Blue Texan Thursday September 29, 2011 10:30 am

As I noted the other day, Maxine Waters (D-CA) didn’t care for the President’s strange tirade at the Congressional Black Caucus’ award dinner — and as it turns out, neither did James Clyburn.

NORRIS: I’m curious about your reaction to the president’s speech. Now, he said many things that evening. We just heard the end of the speech, where he told people to put on their marching shoes, take off their bedroom slippers, stop complaining. Your reaction to that.

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.
Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

MORE at.......
http://firedoglake.com/2011/09/29/james-clyburn-d-sc-cringed-when-obama-told-black-caucus-to-stop-crying/

[Empowerer]

1. You've mischaracterized what Rep. Clyburn said - you need to correct this

Rep. Clyburn said: "Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words." PERIOD.

The rest of the "quote" was the view of the author, not Rep. Clyburn.

Please note that Rep. Clyburn did not say he disagreed with President Obama - just that he worried that people would focus on that particular part of the speech and ignore the rest. And he was right. But he DID NOT SAY what you claim he said.

[KoKo]

5. I've posted the link to the whole interview... Remember I'm limited to 3 or 4 Paragraphs..Copyright.

So go read it yourself. Then get back and quote lines you think refute my post.

Peace! Do it..!

[jenmito]

14. You can't combine Clyburn's words with the author's words because of the rules. You have to

figure out a different way to post what you want without misleading people.

[KoKo]

17. Headlines are chosen on all sites. The quote from Clyburn is his own...

So...it is what it is. We on the Dem Side are not shy about doing our own quotes...but we actually differ from Politco/Free Republic and Rush Limbaugh/Faux ...in that we get to the Meat of an Article and Post a headline that actually refers to what the Intervewer REALLY SAID...and QUOTE IT!

So much for your Obfuscation of the interview and the quote. Faux news is really the kind of shit we try to get away from here on DU.

[jenmito]

23. WTH are you talking about??? The quote ended and you put the author's words IN

Clyburn's quote as if they're HIS words. What don't you get about that?

[EffieBlack]

39. I guess it's ok to misquote someone here as long as you link to the actual quote

I'll have to remember that . . .

[jenmito]

42. I know! This is ridiculous. It should be locked. n/t

[KoKo]

60. I have "alerted the mods" and am awaiting their decision.

Just so you know.

[jenmito]

61. So did I. But I told them that you added to what Clyburn said as if the author's words

were Clyburn's.

[KoKo]

64. Well...they will sort it out... That's what they do. n/t

[SwampG8r]

123. what i find funny is

many will say "not enough info" but if you had gone over the 4 paragraph limit they would have been the first on the alert button

[joshcryer]

114. Nice catch. Utterly dishonest.

I don't buy the four paragraph excuse. Clip the intro bit if you want to have 4 paragraphs.

[Empowerer]

129. Or just insert a close quotation mark where it belonged

[ProSense]

2. Interesting

Here's the rest of the statement from NPR:

<...>

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated that so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

Though, I'm of the opinion that it is a little bit unusual for people to believe that any one segment is going to be a hundred percent. When the president ran in 2008, he did not have a hundred percent of the black vote. He won't have a hundred percent when he runs next year. We're not monolithic, I guess is the best way to put it, as a black community.

NORRIS: There are some within the Democratic Party, even in leadership positions and also Democratic watchers, who look at some of the comments that people like Maxine Waters in particular have made and said it's hard to imagine a Republican in office speaking that harshly of, say, President Bush. Are they right?

CLYBURN: Well, you know, there's always been much more diversity and independence in the Democratic Party than you're going to find in the Republican Party. The Republican Party is by and large very vanilla - and that's an intended pun there. And they tend to abide by an 11th commandment - speak no ill of another Republican.

<...>

Sounds like he's saying he cringed because he knew people were going to take it out of context. Which begs the question, why the hell should the President be afraid to speak because people are going to be assholes?

There was nothing wrong with what he said. The vast majority of the audience he addressed praised the speech.

[MNBrewer]

4. If by "context" you mean the entire speech up to that point

I guess I can agree with you, but that's kind of a stretch.

[CakeGrrl]

11. The irony is that the OP lumps in the FDL snark with Clyburn's comment

further muddying the waters.

More misrepresentation to gin up the Obama "hippie punching" outrage.

[jenmito]

3. Unrec for putting the author's words in with Clyburn's words. n/t

[KoKo]

6. Jenmito...Go read the article and copy the lines (remember only 3-4) because of Copyright

Laws that will refute what I linked in this post. I'm willing to hear your refute...but I posted the link for everyone to read the WHOLE ARTICLE. I hope you will post other lines from Clyburn interview that I was limited to do by DU Rules.

:shrug:

[jenmito]

10. Clyburn's quote was this:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

I saw the whole speech and read the whole article. He cringed because he (rightly) feared that the media would only play the few seconds that they've been playing, and not the reaction of the audience which was a standing ovation.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

99. He feared what the Corporate Media would do and how it would twist Obama's

words to try and divide segments of the Democratic Party.

See, Clyburn is much smarter than many give him credit for. He has been around a long time and knows very well how these things go.

[jenmito]

7. Rev. Sharpton had Elijah Cummings on his show tonight. They both were in the room where Obama

gave the speech. Cummings said HE didn't take it as a lecture or complaint at ALL, and neither did the 99% of the people in the room who gave Obama a standing ovation at the end. It was a plea to come together and work together so he can get even more accomplished.

[KoKo]

9. But...Clyburn did?

[jenmito]

12. I bet he DID. They were fired up after that speech. Did YOU see the whole thing?

[Solomon]

154. I was there too. Nobody took the speech

The wrong way except pundits trying to cause trouble. The bottom line is, they think black folk are stupid.

[CakeGrrl]

8. UNREC for poor context and a BAD QUOTE

He "cringed" because he knew the overreaction could overshadow the message.

I don't know if you noticed it, but in the last "quote" you have from Clyburn, everything after the words "Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama" is the author's editorialization, as is made clear in the original article.

If I could unrec 10 more times for FDL divide-and-conquer garbage, I would.

[KoKo]

13. It's an EXACT quote from the article...and there is a link to read the whole thing...

This post is only LINKED from FDL...the text is correct. Why would you want to trash a source that links from a true interview? Are you so dogmatic you cannot discern the difference and read source and then go back to original?

:shrug:

[CakeGrrl]

16. Did you not get what I said about the way you posted the quote?

You need to insert some space between where his statement ends and the FDL editor's comment begins. Clyburn DID NOT say all of that the way you pasted the quote.

If I need to make it clearer, Clyburn DID NOT SAY THIS:

Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

Those words are the FDL author's b.s.

[jenmito]

19. WRONG. You added the author's words under Clyburn's name. You could've left out

the author's words and people would see them when they read the article you linked to. Why do you want to keep misrepresenting Clyburn's words? :shrug:

[ProSense]

18. What I can't

understand is why some people are playing this idiotic game? It's surreal and embarrassing at the same time.

Here you have the President deliver a stirring speech, with the cadence of almost every civil rights leader, quoting MLK, and people are trying spin it that he was insulting black people.

<...>

Dr. King once said: “Before we reach the majestic shores of the Promised Land, there is a frustrating and bewildering wilderness ahead. We must still face prodigious hilltops of opposition and gigantic mountains of resistance. But with patient and firm determination we will press on.” (Applause.)

So I don’t know about you, CBC, but the future rewards those who press on. (Applause.) With patient and firm determination, I am going to press on for jobs. (Applause.) I'm going to press on for equality. (Applause.) I'm going to press on for the sake of our children. (Applause.) I'm going to press on for the sake of all those families who are struggling right now. I don’t have time to feel sorry for myself. I don’t have time to complain. I am going to press on. (Applause.)

I expect all of you to march with me and press on. (Applause.) Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes. Shake it off. (Applause.) Stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying. We are going to press on. We’ve got work to do, CBC. (Applause.)

God bless you, and God bless the United States of America. (Applause.)

Video

On edit, one gets the impression that some people want to turn everything the President does into a controvery. This speech should not have sparked controvery.

[rury]

15. Unrec for misleading headline and failure to provide context

[KoKo]

22. Link to article......Posted if you read. You just don't like what Clyburn said...so Refute it

that the article doesn't quote the interview...Find the Link and post it here. I'm waiting.....

[ellisonz]

20. Misleading.

[KoKo]

24. Okay...Give me an article from news source that says this interview lies?

:shrug:

[jenmito]

31. The ARTICLE doesn't join Clyburn's words with the author's words. YOU do! n/t

[KoKo]

34. LOL's like talking to a brick wall. Article stand on it's own..read it...

and give a counter from another source. Can't do it, can you.

You don't want "discussion" you prefer war. Those of us who voted for Obama believe that "discussion on points" tops closing ears and going "nah...nah...nah...nah."

Obama is the example of how one must work with people. Your antics belie that...even though you say you are an Obama defender...you really don't seem to be able to post substance or links or cogent arguments. "Some here in this forum just carry on with Talking Points saying:..."It's not so...that's not correct...the quote is out of context...he didn't say that...you have misquoted...you are making stuff up...yadda..yadda.."

Never reading the article linking back to the source and quoting something that would verify your complaints is a real flaw in the strategy.

GET BETTER...DO MORE WORK...

[jenmito]

36. Yup-and YOU'RE the brick wall! I answere you up-thread. Read it there. n/t

[ellisonz]

43. Dude. The title doesn't reflect the meaning of the quote.

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

[tishaLA]

21. LOL. What a reach.

Clyburn was right: the media focused on the final part of the speech, misrepresented it, and didn't get the whole unity idea the President was peddling. And FDL, like the divisive MSM, turns that message around completely to pretend Clyburn was disappointed in the President.

[KoKo]

27. Clyburn "Cringed" ...Exact quote from him....

Call him up and ask him...Or, find an article that says this interview is fake....

Crickets.......

[jenmito]

28. Did Clyburn say this, as YOU portrayed in your OP?:

Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

[KoKo]

44. It's in the post...the Headline is picked by Editor with Author's input by publications...

He said it...it was picked out as the "story." What's the complaint?

[jenmito]

49. He did NOT say what YOU put under Clyburn's quote as if the words were his. Did he say these words

in bold? Because the article has them separate from the rest of the quote, but YOU put them together: CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words. Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

[KoKo]

78. I bolded the quote because I, too, wonder why Obama seems to keep attacking his base.

That's quite legal here on DU. The html gives a way to "bold" comments one things are worth having "special emphasis" when one posts an article. :shrug: What's your problem?

[jenmito]

85. THE PART THAT I BOLDED WAS NOT SAID BY CLYBURN. YOU ADDED IT TO CLYBURN'S

QUOTE AS IF HE SAID IT. THAT'S MY PROBLEM (and most other people's problem on this thread, too). The article does not have the part I bolded in the same paragraph as Clyburn's words. YOU put them in the same paragraph. WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT THAT?

[SwampG8r]

124. i have read it throughand i now believe i have the complaint

it is the "unforced error"being attributed to obama
everyone who is upset is basically upset that you have said obama made an "error"
everyone knows he never makes errors

[jenmito]

130. You believe wrong. Our complaint is that the words of the author were

put in Clyburn's quote as if HE, not the author, said them:

"Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?"

Clyburn did not say that. The article posted has those words apart from Clyburn's quote, but KoKo joined them with Clyburn's quote.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. I do not like the way the the quote is placed so the author's

words seem to be Clyburn's. Space and use limits are not really a good reason to do that, a " at the end would do the trick.
I also happen to agree with those saying Clyburn's reason for cringing is being misrepresented in the headline unfairly. I consider that to be tabloid style, and it is in fact exactly what Clyburn was cringing about, the lifting of a phrase out of context to suggest it has a meaning it does not have. Bad form. Not cricket. I cringe.
Sorry, call 'em as I see 'em.

[KoKo]

45. The quote from Clyburn: Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama.

"I cringed." It's in the OP.

[jenmito]

26. The mods need to lock this unless/until you separate Clyburn's quote from the author's words. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

29. Yes. It's misleading and makes

an already divisive piece even worse.

[jenmito]

32. Exactly. n/t

[KoKo]

55. Are you objecting to the Healine the Poster Chose or the Content of the Article?

:shrug:

[KoKo]

46. Alert and tell the mods to lock it then. (I think the mods can read)

so ...I stand by their decision.

[CakeGrrl]

50. Do you honestly not see what everyone is trying to show you is wrong?

[KoKo]

56. I asked you to let the Moderaters decide...I think they have "collective wisdom."

They've had to sort through all our post out here for years.

[Enrique]

30. Obama should tell the bankers to stop crying

Wall Street cries a lot more than the CBC does.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

33. Was John Lewis in the audience? The thought of Obama telling a civil rights great to...

take off his bedroom slippers and stop complaining is a fucking joke. Way to respect those who came before you, Obama, those who paved the way for you.

[ProSense]

35. I take it

"Was John Lewis in the audience? The thought of Obama telling a civil rights great to... take off his bedroom slippers and stop complaining is a fucking joke. Way to respect those who came before you, Obama, those who paved the way for you."

...you didn't watch the speech or the rest of the event. John Lewis was one of the honorees.


http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/KTCHvGgdy51ov0QUpbwTzw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTQ7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/


more

[jenmito]

38. Yup-and Obama talked about what Lewis went through. n/t

[KoKo]

48. Rep. John Lewis: "What would Martin Luther King Jr. Say to President Obama"

What would Martin Luther King Jr. say to President Obama?
Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) has been a member of the House of Representatives since 1987.

As a minister, never elected to any public office, Dr. King would tell this young leader that it is his moral obligation to use his power and influence to help those who have been left out and left behind. He would encourage him to get out of Washington, to break away from handlers and advisers and go visit the people where they live. He would urge him to meet the coal miners of West Virginia; to shake the hands of the working poor in our large urban centers, juggling mutiple jobs to try to make ends meet; to go to the barrios of the Southwest; and to visit native Americans on their reservations. He would urge Obama to feel the hurt and pain of those without work, of mothers and their children who go to bed hungry at night, of the families living in shelters after losing their homes, and of the elderly who chose between buying medicine and paying the rent.

Dr. King would say that a Nobel Peace Prize winner can and must find a way to demonstrate that he is a man of peace, a man of love and non-violence. He would say it is time to bring an end to war and get our young men and women out of harm’s way. Dr. King would assert without hesi­ta­tion that war is obsolete, that it destroys the very soul of a nation, that it wastes human lives and natural resources.
-------
He would say that Obama’s election represents a significant step toward laying down the burden of race, but that this task is not yet complete. The election of 2008 was a major down payment on Dr. King’s dream, but it did not fulfill it. When one member of Congress calls the president a “tar baby” on a radio show and when another cries out “You lie!” during a State of the Union address, it is more than clear that we still do not understand the need to respect human dignity despite our differences.

Dr. King would tell this young president to do what he can to end discrimination based on race, color, religious faith and sexual orientation. He would say that righteous work makes its own way. There is no need to put a finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. There is no need to match each step to the latest opinion poll. The people of this country recognize when a leader is trying to do what is right. Take a stand, he would say. Go with your gut. Let the people of this country see that you are fighting for them and they will have your back.

There will be opposition, and it might become ugly. Dr. King faced frequent threats on his life and the bombing of his home, and he and his family were in constant danger. He had no protection beyond his faith. But he believed in the power of the truth to expose what is wrong in America. He often quoted the notion that “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” And the reason it does is because of the central goodness of humankind.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-would-mlk-say-to-president-obama/2011/08/25/gIQAPmwygJ_story_1.html

[ProSense]

53. What

"Rep. John Lewis: "What would Martin Luther King Jr. Say to President Obama"

...does this have to do with the OP or the fact that John Lewis attended and was honored at the CBC event?

Still since you posted this piece, let me quote John Lewis:

"There will be opposition, and it might become ugly."

He nailed it!

[EffieBlack]

37. I don't think John Lewis needs you to stand up for him against mean old President Obama

He seemed quite fine with the speech. At least he did when I saw him standing and applauding him - and then posed for several photos with him afterward.

Or is Rep. Lewis one of the brainwashed ones that Herman Cain was talking about?

[KoKo]

57. Did you read what John Lewis said in the above link to his exact speech?

I guess not.

[ProSense]

79. I

"Did you read what John Lewis said in the above link to his exact speech?"

...hate to break it to you, but this is not John Lewis' speech from the event. It's a commentary from August 26.

[KoKo]

72. The link is a direct quote from John Lewis's speech, though....

It's an excellent speech in it's totality. Worth the read out of the context of this particular post.

[EffieBlack]

156. That wasn't a speech - it was an op ed article.

And it's completely irrelevant to your misleading OP

[Number23]

40. Unrec. Sick of people thinking black folks don't understand what's being pulled with this shit

And from firedoglake of all places. :eyes: Yeah, I'm surprised as hell.

[KoKo]

58. Representaive James Clyburn is an African-American...in case you didn't notice...

sheesh.

[ClarkUSA]

62. Yes, and he predicted that Obama shit-stirrers like those at FirePUMAshitLake would do this.

[KoKo]

67. Do you have a Link to what you are saying? An article saying "FierePUMA shitLake would do this?

What are you talking about..if you can't link to an article or link? Yet you trash the OP and the LINK as inaccurate?

:shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

70. Why don't you fix the misleading formatting of your OP to reflect the original source?

You formatted the OP text so it looks like the FirePUMAauthor's negative words were Sen. Clyburn's.

And yes, I do, from the OP:

Clyburn: I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

(emphasis mine)

[KoKo]

73. Give me a link to where the quote from Clyburn is taken out of context...n/t

[ClarkUSA]

74. I never said "the quote from Clyburn is taken out of context". That's a strawman fallacy.

What I said was this:

You formatted the OP text so it looks like the FirePUMAauthor's negative words were Sen. Clyburn's.

What he actually said:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech
would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

---------------------------------------------

Your misleadingly OP looks like this:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech
would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.
Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a
mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

You have been asked by Empowerer in Reply 1 and others later in the thread to fix your OP and restore the proper
spacing which was in the original source content, which looks significantly different from your OP reproduction.

Why haven't you done so?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=785483&mesg_id=785633

[SwampG8r]

125. its what they do they cant help themselves

[Number23]

69. EXACTLY. Doing exactly what Clyburn said they would do

"Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words."

And pulling the "who, lil' ol' me??" in the process as if no one can see what they're doing. It's really incredibly stupid. And transparent.

[Number23]

68. HE IS??! Gosh, thank you so much for telling me! I would never have known!

:eyes:

Yes, I already noticed that he was black. I also noticed that the entire tone of his comments were distorted to produce this OP. As one person has already noted, you should be ashamed for posting this.

[These Eyes]

86. Are you really that filled with hate that you would stoop to something this low?i

Instead of admitting you're wrong and making the correction, you just dig in deeper. What's wrong with you?

[ClarkUSA]

41. Unrec. This is misleading cherrypicked quote disinformation from Obama-hatingbashing FirePUMALake...

... whose Dear Leader, PUMA Jane "Blackface" Hamsher, refuses to release the names of the GOP clients of her media company. From the looks of it, the RNC has hired her to push propaganda that will sow the seeds of disinformation and division in the liberal blogosphere

The liar who wrote this piece of FirePUMAcrap is making up PUMAshit via a cherrypicked quoted word by Senator Clyburn in order to make it seem as if the top AA House ally of the WH has turned against President Obama.

Well, Clyburn sure called it right.

[KoKo]

51. Then Alert the Mods. As I said...I will stand with their decision.

along with the post and quote and links I gave.

[ClarkUSA]

52. You can post as much FirePUMAshitLake crap as you want.

But I will alert them about your copyright violation in changing the look of the original source content to make it seem as if Clyburn was disagreeing with what President Obama said.

[Inuca]

47. Incredibly misleading quote n/t

[KoKo]

54. How and where is the quote misleading? It's a Headline of a New Article

Comment on a Blog Site.

:shrug: Tell me where it's misleading?

[ClarkUSA]

59. The headline is misleading via a single cherrypicked word quote from Clyburn which ignores context.

Did you ignore what Empowerer said in Reply 1? Since it seems you have, I'll quote what she said:

Rep. Clyburn said: "Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words." PERIOD.

The rest of the "quote" was the view of the author, not Rep. Clyburn.

Please note that Rep. Clyburn did not say he disagreed with President Obama - just that he worried that people would focus on that particular part of the speech and ignore the rest. And he was right. But he DID NOT SAY what you claim he said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=785483&mesg_id=785492

[Maine-ah]

63. this is how your article should look

you changed the meaning of the quote when you c&p'd . I'm pretty sure that you actually changed it. When I C&P the article the article's author's commentary is seperate from Clyburn's "cringe" quote. I don't know if you did it accidentally, or if you did it on purpose, either way you still need to fix it because of it being copy-righted material.



As I noted the other day, Maxine Waters (D-CA) didn’t care for the President’s strange tirade at the Congressional Black Caucus’ award dinner — and as it turns out, neither did James Clyburn.

NORRIS: I’m curious about your reaction to the president’s speech. Now, he said many things that evening. We just heard the end of the speech, where he told people to put on their marching shoes, take off their bedroom slippers, stop complaining. Your reaction to that.

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

[KoKo]

65. Excuse me? I went back and clicked the articl from post... What are you talking about?

If you click the link ..it's nothing like what you said...What's with you? :eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

66. You formatted the OP text so it looks like the FirePUMAauthor's negative words were Sen. Clyburn's.

What he actually said:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech
would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

---------------------------------------------

Your misleadingly OP looks like this:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech
would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.
Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a
mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

You have been asked by Empowerer in Reply 1 and others later in the thread to fix your OP and restore the proper
spacing which was in the original source content, which looks significantly different from your OP reproduction.

Why haven't you done so?

[KoKo]

75. Give me a quote from Clyburn that refutes the FiredogLake Posters exact quotes, then.

I've been asking throughout this thread for a link to his interview that refutes the quote from the OP from FireDogLake.

So far, no one has given a link with a quote that refutes the one in the OP. :shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

77. That's a strawman argument. Why are you ignoring what I just said?

[KoKo]

84. Why can't you give me links as to what the quote from interview that FireDogLake

poster quoted said that was misquoted according to you? :shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

91. You removed a line spacing that separated Clyburn's quote from the FirePUMAauthor's negative words..

... to make it seem as though Senator Clyburn was the one disagreeing with what President Obama said.

[flamingdem]

71. The poster doesn't want to be hamster-rung by the rules nt

[KoKo]

76. Where's the quote from the orginal article that refutes the FireDogLake posters quotes?

I keep asking...and don't get an answer as to how the quote was taken out of context or how I distorted the post. :shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

80. You removed a line spacing that separated Clyburn's quote from the FirePUMAauthor's negative words..

... to make it seem as though Senator Clyburn, the top African-American House ally of the WH, was the one disagreeing with what President Obama said.

No one said "the quote was taken out of context". That's a fabrication of yours.

[These Eyes]

81. Your post is misleading...

It gives the appearance that the last sentence is part of Clyburn's quote, which it is not.

Clyburn is a wise man--he knew some folks would mischaracterize what the president said. Just like you're doing now with Clyburn's statement.

This can easily be fixed by adding a space between the quote and your words.

[KoKo]

87. Go read the original article..the link is at the OP...Read it. n/t

[These Eyes]

94. I read it. And you're still wrong. Add space between the actual quote and the author's comments.

It's simple.

[YellowCosmicSun]

82. You and Clyburn need to quit crying.

[Tarheel_Dem]

83. NorquistDogLake? Are you serious?

:rofl:

[KoKo]

88. Well...you might not like the site...but the quote is from Clyburn...Take it up with him...

it came out of his own mouth... If you don't like it...e-mail him.

[Tarheel_Dem]

90. I wouldn't bother Rep Clyburn with any shit I read from a teabagger site.

You might as well have posted a link to The Moonie Times, they're indistinguishable. By the way, do you happen to have Ms. Hamsher's Republican client list? :shrug:

[joshcryer]

117. Why not simply link the NPR article?

[KoKo]

89. Tarheel....Here's the link to Rep. Clyburn's "Contact Me" website...

Send him your comments:

https://clyburn.house.gov/contact-me

[Tarheel_Dem]

92. See Post #90. Rep. Clyburn knows exactly what you guys are doing.

;)

[ClarkUSA]

93. Misleading voters about Obama is nothing new. Senator Clyburn well aware of this ongoing practice.

You removed a line spacing that separated Clyburn's quote from the FirePUMAauthor's negative words, which makes it seem as though Senator Clyburn was the one disagreeing with what President Obama and not the FirePUMAauthor.

Why did you do that?

[These Eyes]

95. A minute after your original post, you made an edit...

Was that when you removed the space between the quote and the author's comments?

[KoKo]

96. Link to article...Remember Copyright restrricts only a few lines...LINK:

I was over the limit so edited. Read full article here:

http://firedoglake.com/2011/09/29/james-clyburn-d-sc-cringed-when-obama-told-black-caucus-to-stop-crying/

It's bedtime for me..carry on.

[ClarkUSA]

101. That's a false statement. You are still replying on another thread.

Why are you pretending it's "bedtime"? To stop replying to those who have called you on your bogus OP?

[These Eyes]

102. How cowardly of you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. I wouldn't advise anyone to click on that link. Drive traffic up at a teabagger site?

:puke:

[These Eyes]

107. Oops!

:blush:

[Swede]

97. How llow can Koko stoop?

Pretty fucking low it seems.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

98. Keep trying! unrec!

[philly_bob]

100. I think the quoting method was clear.

Probably could have used a box around the Norris/Clyburn dialog to distinguish from the author's words. (

Text

I also think that Obama administration "badgers the base" charge is somewhat true.

[ClarkUSA]

103. No, it wasn't, as many have noted. I thought Sen. Clyburn was the one dissing Pres. Obama at first.

If I hadn't read Reply #1's subthread, I would have been completely misled.

[These Eyes]

108. I had to read it the post three times because it seemed odd that Clyburn would...

Make that sort of comment about the president. Completely misleading.

[philly_bob]

110. Did Clyburn say he (Clyburn) cringed? Yes.

The author's comment begins with "unforced error" statement. It was clear to me that was not Clyburn.

How could we have such different perceptions of standard quoting conventions? Maybe our screen widths are different?

See #113 for example of how I think OP should have been quoted.

[These Eyes]

111. Is that you, KoKo?

Surely there can't another poster who suffers from the same startling lack of comprehension.

Again, this is not about the 'cringe'. It's about the last sentence being made to look like it's part of the Clyburn quote when it isn't.

[FrenchieCat]

105. Why do this?

Even you are better than that.

Why work so hard for divisiveness? Do you really want him to lose?
and if so, what would you gain from it? Do you really think that these
attacks by a thousand cuts are not going to hurt all of us, and if you know it,
why do this?

[Denzil_DC]

106. Unrec for shamelessly misleading quoting n/t

[bhikkhu]

109. What is it about Obama talking to the CBC that sets his critics off?

I watched the speech, and every face that I saw was motivated, and engaged, and understood what the president was saying. Moments like that are what change lives, and little by little change the country.

I don't get the critics here who want to take apart what was said, take it completely out of context, and turn it into yet another cynical tool to bash away at one good man who is trying to do the right thing for the country.

[CakeGrrl]

112. Remember, Hamsher has an agenda, what with her "Afro-American Re-Education Program"

http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/06/22/jane-hamshers-afro-american-reeducation-program-rolls-through-washington-d-c-and-other-tales-of-ratfucking/

In the spirit of this week's discussions, I wonder why it's OK for a white Professional Lefty to help "re-educate" blacks?

I guess it's all good when you're trying to separate President Obama from the black vote.

:eyes:

[vaberella]

128. Could she be one of the peple who can be called the Liberal Left racism? n/t

[CakeGrrl]

135. I'm sure as hell calling her on it! -nt

[vaberella]

163. No, I'm with you. n/t

[philly_bob]

113. I'm troubled by quoting controversy. Is this right?

James Clyburn (D-SC) “Cringed” When Obama Told Black Caucus to “Stop Crying”
By: Blue Texan Thursday September 29, 2011 10:30 am

As I noted the other day, Maxine Waters (D-CA) didn’t care for the President’s strange tirade at the Congressional Black Caucus’ award dinner — and as it turns out, neither did James Clyburn.

NORRIS: I’m curious about your reaction to the president’s speech. Now, he said many things that evening. We just heard the end of the speech, where he told people to put on their marching shoes, take off their bedroom slippers, stop complaining. Your reaction to that.

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

==

Incidentally, I am not OP.

[joshcryer]

115. That is correct. The OP purposefully "loaded" the last paragraph into Clyburn's quote.

So that it would fit the "4 paragraph rule."

In this case the OP merely could've left out the first paragraph as it conveys no information that is necessary, and meet the rule.

Or the OP could've simply asked the blogger in question if they might post in full. It's so simple.

[philly_bob]

119. I don't think you can characterize OP's purpose.

Can't we all just say we learned something about how to quote?

Use the "excerpt" command contained in link to "HTML lookup table."

[EffieBlack]

121. I think the fact that OP refused to fix the misquote after it was brought to their attention

does give some insight into the OP's purpose.

[bhikkhu]

122. "strange tirade" and "badgering" would only be used by someone who didn't see the speech

Clyburn in the quote you give is more anticipating the negative spin of the OP than he is objecting to the message itself.

And Water's response was completely mischaracterized in another skewed little hit-piece, by someone else who probably didn't care one way or another about the speech except to extract something to spin out of context.

[joshcryer]

116. Title of NPR article that FDL coopts: Clyburn Discusses Obama's CBC Speech

Title of FDL blogger post: James Clyburn (D-SC) “Cringed” When Obama Told Black Caucus to “Stop Crying”

Propaganda at its worst.

[Autumn]

118. You left out James and (D-SC)

is that what the problem is and everyone is upset? Other than that its seems you posted it right from the source. Can't see what the problem is.:shrug: I do agree with Clyburn.

"….most of us have a style that’s a little bit different from the president’s, ’cause it’s his style to try to seek common ground or try to compromise, and he keeps getting the thumb in his eye. And those of us who come from a different era tend not to appreciate that style. <...>

Because if you are not going to get it done, what’s wrong with going down swinging? That is what people tend to want to see. They want to see you fight for the issues, even when they question whether or not you can you can be successful."

Clyburn's got that :thumbsup:

[ClarkUSA]

120. "Can't see what the problem is." Then you haven't read through this thread at all.

[Autumn]

127. When I click on the link I see the article laid out as

the OP posted it. Minus the picture of Clyburn and a few other things on the page. The OP didn't change anything from the article except for James (D-SC). :shrug: Yeah, I read the thread, the OP posted what was written by whoever wrote the article.
What Clyburn said was spot on though.

[jenmito]

131. You don't see a difference between these 2 things? Seriously?:

The article is written like this (with an empty space between Clyburn's quote and the author's comments:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?



KoKo presented it as such:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words. Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

[Autumn]

133. The OP I see is the top one of yours, not the second

This is how I see the OP laid out in KoKo's post

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.
Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?


You posted it"
KoKo presented it as such:

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words. Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

I don't see it posted as you say she did, KoKo's doesn't run together like what you posted, but I can't see why the fuss anyway, the words are the same.
I'm sure the mods have looked at it by now so it doesn't really matter.
edited to change it to KoKo's

[jenmito]

136. OK-you don't see a difference between the one KoKo posted (without a line and a half of blank

space between Clyburn's words) and THIS (which is how it's written in the article, making it obvious that the 2nd paragraph is NOT part of Clyburn's quote?):

CLYBURN: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.


Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

[Autumn]

137. Maybe it's a browser thing or a size thing

for a screen or a setting hell I don't know. But Clyburn's words make sense to me. What he said is worth a discussion. I'm sick of those sorry ass fucking republicans sticking a thumb in Obama's eye.

[jenmito]

138. No, it's not...

KoKo said so her/himself-that s/he did it that way because the DU rules only allow 4 paragraphs to be posted. Many of us pointed out that s/he could've left one of the paragraphs out instead of misrepresenting the author's words as part of Clyburn's words but s/he refused to do so.

Clyburn's words have a different meaning when only HIS words are quoted. His words meant that he cringed knowing that OBAMA'S words would be taken out of context and played over and over again. He was right.

[Autumn]

140. Well you and I see different things

I see separate sentences, not a run on sentence as you posted.:shrug: So all this is is a space or paragraph outrage.

[jenmito]

141. I couldn't get my browser to post it exactly like KoKo did, but the FACT is that

the "separate sentence" is under Clyburn's name, which it is NOT in the article. It makes a big difference.

[Autumn]

142. I imagine so

but from what you say when you tried it all browser are not the same. I opened it on my Husbands lap top with a different browser and it would have looked better if there had have been a few spaces in between, but to be honest I wouldn't have thought to do it. I would have just copied and pasted it.

edited for sp

[jenmito]

144. The thing is...

if KoKo would've just copied and pasted the srticle the way it was, there would've been space between Clyburn's words and the author's words. It wouldn't have been indented like in the article, but the space would've been there. The OP SAID s/he purposely took the space out. That was wrong to do and it's why nearly every post here is about her misrepresentation of Clyburn's quote.

[Autumn]

146. Well perhaps if the mods feel it's necessary they will lock it

but I find it silly that we are reduced to arguing over a piss poor written article that contains a few gems, over spacing.

[jenmito]

147. They should lock it,

but the one who caused all of this discussion is the OP who purposely joined Clyburn's quote with the author's comments.

[Autumn]

148. I'm not going to second guess the mods and if it's still

open I would think that they are okay with it. And I agree with Skinner that we should discuss issues and not DUers.

[jenmito]

149. THEY may be OK with it, but most on this thread are NOT,

including quite a few who are usually critical of Obama. I already posted my opinion of the article up-thread.

[Autumn]

150. Ah but you see, their opinion is what counts

We don't get a vote on popular opinion here at DU.:shrug:

[jenmito]

151. Ah but you see, the thread's responses show who is right in this matter.

The OP misrepresents the article. That's a fact.

[Autumn]

152. This thread does show a lot

That's a fact.

[jenmito]

153. It shows that most of us recognize dis-ingenuousness when we see it.

And the OP was disingenuous when she mis-posted the article that s/he linked to.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

126. Why did you combine Clyburn's words with the words of the FDL author?

Clyburn said: Well, when I heard it, I cringed because I kind of anticipated so much of what came in the first part of the speech would get lost and people would be hanging on to those words.

The FDL author said: Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama. The White House has admitted this badgering-the-base stuff was a mistake in 2010 — and yet, they’re doing it again. Why?

Yet you present both statements as Clyburn's quote when what Clyburn clearly said was that people would focus on those words instead of what preceded it -- which put the "crying" line in the correct context (that of the Civil Rights Movement). Yet your headline implies that Clyburn "cringed" at that particular line by Obama as if it were an insult when he in fact -- by his own words -- said he cringed because he knew people would focus on that line instead of the proper context that led up to it.

So give us a straight answer -- why did you combine those two disparate statements? Was this a simple error or misreading on your part? Or are you just grasping at straws and intentionally putting words in Clyburn's mouth in order to slam Obama?

[Sheepshank]

132. Not only is the quote misleading, but also the heading.

there was NO cringing because of what Obama said, the cringe was over how others will detract from the original message. look at the words that followed "because". It does not related to the heading at all. Gawd the stupid..........................

Really, this attempt at full blown editorializing is pretty fucking low and a cowardly way to deal with your attempt to undermine Obama....both on the part of the OP and FDL.

[yurbud]

134. what annoys me about this whole thing is what Obama called ''crying'' is really input, feedback, and

democracy.

It's like we chose to go to Obama's restaurant, but wants to tell us what to eat--or more accurately, he wants to give us half or more of the stuff from the restaurant we were trying to avoid.

[yardwork]

139. KoKo, I agree that the way this reads it is misleading.

It looks like the sentence that begins "Again, this is a completely unforced error by Obama...." is attributed to Clyburn. When I read it, I thought that Clyburn said that, but he didn't. (I clicked on the link to check because I was surprised that Clyburn would say that about the president, and it turns out that he did not.) That second sentence is an editorial comment by the writer of the blog.

I recommend that you ask the mods to fix this by adding a space or something between those lines. You're getting a lot of negative feedback about this for good reason.

[KoKo]

155. It was a cut and paste error from what I saved before posting. I edited because post was too long

and that must be what everyone is complaining about. I re-read and can't seem to get what folks are complaining about..but, I guess it's the extra line that copied into the post. It's too late to fix. I've already told the moderator about the cut and paste.

Sad...that some folks would jump to a conclusion that I was "purposely fixing a post" to distort it. I think it was more personal than it was honestly trying to point out a problem with the post. All anyone had to do was go to the link to read the article.

I appreciate your reasonableness. I don't have any agenda to distort articles. I've been here too long not to have been Tombstoned if I was a person who tried that kind of thing.

[EffieBlack]

157. And when it was brought to your attention that your formatting was misleading

you refused to fix it - or even just add a quotation mark.

Which calls into question your intent.

[jenmito]

161. Exactly. n/t

[yardwork]

160. I understand and sympathize. There are a lot of personal attacks in this thread but typically

they are ignored. Some people are more equal than others around here.

[Phx_Dem]

143. I don't know why. Hasnt he been listening to Maxine Waters, Tavis Smiley

and bunch of others whining daily and acting like Obama can snap his fingers and create a job for all the black peole in the country.

Clyburn isn't among the whiners but he should at least recognize that many others are.

[JNinWB]

145. Seems like the only time the media is interested in Clyburn or Waters (or Nader)....

is when they criticize Obama.

Always news-space for derogatory, anti-Obama comments.

[EffieBlack]

159. Bingo!

They are completely ignored on every other issue.

For much of the media, the only time they have any interest in anything blacks have to say is when we are fighting with each other.

[jefferson_dem]

158. Unrec.

FDL... a joke.

[opihimoimoi]

162. The speech was perfect.... Obama did good.