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truthN08 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:17 PM
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Disappointment vs the alternative
I have been lurking here for a few years and I don't post very much but I just wanted to take the time to discuss something I'm noticing. I live in Nevada and I notice that although the repukes here seem to hate the choices they have for a nominee they are going to fight to the end to elect whoever it is. They aren't going to do a write in to send a message of disappointment in choices. They aren't going to send letters or get on TV to discuss there latest let down. They are in a fighting mood because to them NOTHING and I mean nothing is worse that a second term of President Obama. What I see from our side are disappointments in what has happened over the past few years and I fear that disappointment will make voter turnout down. I'm not going to debate what the disappointments are because we are all adults and entitled to our own feelings and opinions. I'm not disappointed but to each their own. I don't understand how the repukes are able to get behind these idiots but for them at the end of the day nothing is worse for them than a second term for President Obama. It doesn't seem like we are coming together against them.

They are prepared to wake up to and R in the white house no matter what and no matter who. I understand frustration and disappointment I really do but nothing President Obama ever does could be anywhere near as bad as a repuke President. I hope we can all find a way to unite for ourselves because we will be the ones that will suffer. Should President Obama wake up next November thrown out of office he will go back to Chicago a very wealthy man but what will you be waking up to? What will your future be? I don't want to find out the answer to that question.
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:37 PM
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1. Obama's fate is in his own hands
His actions and his alone will determine whether he wins or loses.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:56 PM
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2. No, it's up to the voters to get off their asses. He will not flip the lever for them.
Now, you seem to be fixated on laying this on what he does.

If there are some Dem voters who are that clueless as to the threat of a GOP White House, then we suffer for their ignorance.

But we each have our own functioning brain. If it isn't used to cast a vote, that's that individual's problem and responsibility for not doing it.

I know enough to get my ballot in and it's going to be a Dem ticket top-down.

I take responsibility for my actions.
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Thumper79 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 02:28 PM
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3. I agree with you
Didn't the Democrats learn any lessons from Nov. 2010? Staying home would be a disaster. I honestly get sick to my stomach and throw up a little in my throat when I think Obama could lose. My intuition tells me Obama will be reelected (and it tells me that Romney will be the republican candidate.) I sometimes get 'gut feelings' like this and so far as I remember, I've been right. (I even post these 'gut feelings' on Twitter before the event happens. I stick my neck out. Oh well, I'm rambling, but I do believe your post.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:24 PM
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7. For the 75th fucking time, it was not dems who stayed home
it was the Independents. Go scream at them. Go tell them how wonderful Obama is, and how hard he has worked for them, and they will ask you, then why don't I have a job.

Obama supporters keep harping that the left is the reason why there were losses in 2010, and it's not true. The very people who put Obama way over the top in 2008, are the very people who stayed home, the young and the Independents. They were excited about the 2008 Obama, but their attention turned to something else in 2010.

Most lefty dems will hold their nose and vote for Obama, but they won't be happy about it. It's up to Obama to convince the young and the Independents to vote for him again. What is it? Fool me once?

zalinda
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:28 PM
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9. There are different schools of thought on that one
Otherwise, why would the left so often "threaten" to withdraw their volunteering, support and funding?

They think Obama will march to their tune in order to keep it.

They were quite smug over 2010.

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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:37 PM
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11. Would you enthusiastically support someone
who stabbed you in the back? The left came out in droves to help get Obama elected in 2008, they poured their souls into that election, and what did they get from it? Fucking hippies, eat your peas, professional left and other disparaging remarks from the White House, the disgust was dripping off of their remarks. Not ONE lefty in his cabinet, not ONE. After all the left did for him, he couldn't reward them with ONE cabinet member. But he did put Republicans in his cabinet, yes sir, they were rewarded, but not the left.

As for 2010, I didn't see any one being smug over it, most of the left worked in their own areas. I did not see Obama either, helping fellow dems in 2010. If he had showed up, would it have changed anything, we don't know, since he didn't make an appearance.

The left has been characterized as wanting Obama to fail. They don't want him to fail, they want him to listen to them. They don't want to be told to sit down and shut up. What cards do they have left to play to force Obama to the left, even just a little? I'll tell you what, threaten to withdraw their volunteering, support and money. Maybe if Obama gets a little worried, he'd DO something to get the left excited about him again, instead of just giving a do nothing speech. We have all found out, with Obama, talk is cheap.

zalinda
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:11 PM
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12. I've yet to think of any politician or elected official as
"stabbing me in the back." I don't expect them to excite me or energize me to vote. I consider that a civic duty and one that does not take a lot of effort. I don't expect any politician to listen to just me or any group I may belong to. I vote in off year elections and don't expect the POTUS to show up to campaign for any Democrats running locally. I go and vote for them.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:28 PM
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13. Well, a lot of lefties thought they were voting for a Democrat
and woke up to the fact that he is more Republican than Richard Nixon.

If I worked 40 hours a week, I'd expect to get paid what was promised, not what they decided to give me, and then rubbed my nose in it.

As a politician, you should reward those who put you in office, with even some little nod. Obama's White House has continue ly dismissed the left, and have even sunk to a new low, and called them names. Republicans got more perks and respect than all the lefties that worked for him.

He and his supporters keep bullying the left, as there is no place else to go. Just as your post is condescending and blames the left for the 2010 fiasco. It was the young and the Independents that didn't show up. The left didn't stay home, they never stay home, they are too involved in politics. And because they are so involved, they are disappointed in what Obama has done and not done in office.

Low information voters NEED a politician to excite or energize them, but keep on doing what you are doing, but don't blame me when you fail. After the way Obama and his supporters have treated the left, I certainly wouldn't blame them for saying "Fuck it, I'm staying home. Let them be hoisted by their own petards."

I'm sorry but vote for me, because I suck less, is not a great campaign slogan, neither is vote for me or I'll blame you when I don't get elected.

zalinda
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 03:49 AM
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15. "and woke up to the fact that he is more Republican than Richard Nixon."
Hyperbole.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:38 AM
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16. Just a few professional opinions
http://www.obamatheconservative.com/

http://hnn.us/articles/128779.html The Conservative Side of Barack Obama

Obama is the Real Conservative
Oct 31, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
A speechwriter for Reagan and Nixon—who worked at the National Review for four decades—on why he's voting for Obama.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2008/10/31/obama-is-the-true-conservative.html

Oh, and I could go on and on with the links.

zalinda
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:15 AM
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18. Nixon's term was long ago
That was a different America.

McGovern was a lefty then and he lost in a landslide. No way could McGovern of that day even get nominated for President. Let's get real here. The left has failed to fight since the Reagan years and this country is now much more conservative than it way in Nixon's day.

Quit blaming Obama alone for that.

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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 10:01 AM
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20. That post was complete nonsense
"Different America." Bull. The only thing different is that we have a President who loves to stab his base in the back in hope of getting a smile from some Republicans or Wall Street crooks who should be in jail and not sipping champaigne on a balcony laughing at protesters.

The only thing different is the President has no spine, no backbone to fight for the very things he SAID he was going to fight for when he was campaigning for the job of President. Now he is giving away the store to the Repukes and the bottom 98% get nothing but put downs and insults.

Do you know what happens to a CEO who is hired by Pepsi but then does everything he can to help Coca-Cola? HE GETS FIRED. Obama is about to be fired from his job because he lied on his application... he falsely claimed to be a DEMOCRAT.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:12 PM
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22. No your post is the nonsense
Read up on the 1970s for heaven's sake, before you continue in this sort of ignorance.

Your attitude towards the President reaches new heights of unreasonable.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 07:19 PM
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26. That proves it right there. Your post and the previous ones are nonsense.
I LIVED through the 70s. My parents were both ACTIVE Democrats. I went to local party meetings. There is nothing you can tell me about the 70s.

You need to read up on... everything it seems. I don't know if I have the patience to help you. The 70s shows many parallels to today's events. That you are uneducated about them is kind of sad.

Please seek help. I'm not able to, have no desire to, have no time to, and don't want to waste my energies to help educate you. See my other post: Talk to people who were born before 1965; read books on Democracy that were printed before 1980; fire up the GOOGLE.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:13 AM
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17. These lefties you describe need more information
or to start looking at things in an honest way. Anyone who cannot tell the difference between a Democrat and a Republican or Obama and a Republican is really too uninformed to be able to tell us that they are a "lefty."

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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:49 AM
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19. Pot meet kettle
Actions and deeds, not pretty speeches, determine if one is a Republican or a Democrat. Obama has given more tax breaks to the rich than any sitting President in history. Is that the actions of a Democrat?

I recommend that you study the actual legislation that our "Democratic" President has signed into law and the concessions he has made to the Right Wing of the far right fringe of the right of the Repuke Party.

You seriously need an education.

PS, did you hear that the Obama administration recently gave permission for oil companies to begin drilling for oil in another of OUR national parks. Don't you remember the left criticizing Bush and Co. for doing the exact same thing.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:13 PM
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23. Boy oh boy you can lecture with the best of them
YOU need an education and have apparently no knowledge of how the government works. Civics and history.



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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 07:09 PM
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24. You must be talking about how a Corporatocracy works
All I know is how a Representative Democracy is SUPPOSED to work and that bears absolutely zero resemblance to how Washington D.C. and many state capitols "work."

Please read a book about Democracy printed before 1980. Please get to the GOOGLE. Please talk to anyone born before 1965. Any one of those would help you immensely. Preferably all of them over a period of time. Your posts suggest that you need to be "deprogrammed."
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:04 PM
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6. There are millions of them and only one of him.
Which would be easier to prod?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:02 PM
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5. I think so too.
He's not a helpless baby! Why do people act like the man is so helpless? Nothing's his fault and nothing's his responsibility. Really? He is freaking President! He is in a position to lead, mold public sentiment and raise our morale. He can do that. I really believe he can. If he wants to! And maybe that's a big IF based on what we've seen so far. But, I swear I believe in him more than some of his most unflappable fans who would rather he slink around in shame and continue down Wimp Road than be the bold, courageous, visionary leader this nation is crying out for. Yes, he freaking can. Maybe he's starting to now. I sure as heck hope so.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:30 PM
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10. Straw Man
He is not all powerful either. And looking for a visionary leader is dangerous. We only need a President. That is not supposed to be an all powerful position. Looking for an all powerful visionary is just sad. That's a weak person. One who needs to be led. Why should someone else shape your sentiments and morale? You're looking to be a part of a crowd.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:27 PM
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8. The OP clearly talked about OUR fate
And pointed out that Obama would be fine.

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 03:48 AM
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14. Post more!
:toast:
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BrendaBrick Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 10:29 AM
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21. K&R Thanks for posting this!
I think your post/observations make a lot of sense. It could just all boil down to THE MOST SINGULAR important priority, all things (including disappointments) considered.

Here's something interesting, "Study Finds left-wing brain, right-wing brain":

Even in humdrum nonpolitical decisions, liberals and conservatives literally think differently, researchers show.

By Denise Gellene Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

September 10, 2007
Exploring the neurobiology of politics, scientists have found that liberals tolerate ambiguity and conflict better than conservatives because of how their brains work.

In a simple experiment reported todayin the journal Nature Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA show that political orientation is related to differences in how the brain processes information.

Previous psychological studies have found that conservatives tend to be more structured and persistent in their judgments whereas liberals are more open to new experiences. The latest study found those traits are not confined to political situations but also influence everyday decisions.

The results show "there are two cognitive styles -- a liberal style and a conservative style," said UCLA neurologist Dr. Marco Iacoboni, who was not connected to the latest research.

Participants were college students whose politics ranged from "very liberal" to "very conservative." They were instructed to tap a keyboard when an M appeared on a computer monitor and to refrain from tapping when they saw a W.

M appeared four times more frequently than W, conditioning participants to press a key in knee-jerk fashion whenever they saw a letter.

Each participant was wired to an electroencephalograph that recorded activity in the anterior cingulate cortex, the part of the brain that detects conflicts between a habitual tendency (pressing a key) and a more appropriate response (not pressing the key). Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than conservatives when they saw a W, researchers said. Liberals and conservatives were equally accurate in recognizing M.

Researchers got the same results when they repeated the experiment in reverse, asking another set of participants to tap when a W appeared.

Frank J. Sulloway, a researcher at UC Berkeley's Institute of Personality and Social Research who was not connected to the study, said the results "provided an elegant demonstration that individual differences on a conservative-liberal dimension are strongly related to brain activity."

Analyzing the data, Sulloway said liberals were 4.9 times as likely as conservatives to show activity in the brain circuits that deal with conflicts, and 2.2 times as likely to score in the top half of the distribution for accuracy.

Sulloway said the results could explain why President Bush demonstrated a single-minded commitment to the Iraq war and why some people perceived Sen. John F. Kerry, the liberal Massachusetts Democrat who opposed Bush in the 2004 presidential race, as a "flip-flopper" for changing his mind about the conflict.

Based on the results, he said, liberals could be expected to more readily accept new social, scientific or religious ideas.

"There is ample data from the history of science showing that social and political liberals indeed do tend to support major revolutions in science," said Sulloway, who has written about the history of science and has studied behavioral differences between conservatives and liberals.

Lead author David Amodio, an assistant professor of psychology at New York University, cautioned that the study looked at a narrow range of human behavior and that it would be a mistake to conclude that one political orientation was better. The tendency of conservatives to block distracting information could be a good thing depending on the situation, he said.

Political orientation, he noted, occurs along a spectrum, and positions on specific issues, such as taxes, are influenced by many factors, including education and wealth. Some liberals oppose higher taxes and some conservatives favor abortion rights.

Still, he acknowledged that a meeting of the minds between conservatives and liberals looked difficult given the study results.

"Does this mean liberals and conservatives are never going to agree?" Amodio asked. "Maybe it suggests one reason why they tend not to get along."

SOURCE: http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,2687256.story

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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 07:12 PM
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25. Which is worse? The Repuke president or the "D" president who is a puppet of the repukes?
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