The Forever War: Afghanistan violence soars, U.N. says

[Cali_Democrat]

Don't listen to the US government when it comes to Afghanistan. Contrary to the claims of the US government, the security situation is not improving, it is rapidly deteriorating.

Afghanistan violence soars, U.N. says
Habib Zohori, McClatchy Newspapers
Thursday, September 29, 2011

Kabul --

Violence in Afghanistan is up nearly 40 percent over last year, a U.N. report released Wednesday found, contradicting claims by the U.S.-led coalition that security has improved since last year.

The U.N. report, information for which is compiled by the U.N. mission in Kabul and submitted to the Security Council quarterly, said that as of the end of August, there had been an average of 2,108 "security incidents" each month this year, a 39 percent increase compared with the comparable period in 2010.

The average number of suicide attacks monthly, 12, remained unchanged, the report said, but more of those attacks were complex and coordinated, involving more than a lone bomber, the report said. The monthly average of three such complex attacks this year is 50 percent higher than the number for the like period in 2010.

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The U.N. report found that violence remained high in Afghanistan's south and southeast, areas where U.S. troops have stepped up operations against Taliban forces.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2011/09/29/MNCP1LAQPG.DTL

Why should we be engaged in The Forever War when we have so many problems here at home? :shrug:

[frylock]

1. because obama made a solemn promise to continue wasting lives and money there

[walerosco]

13. Tell me about it

btw, his is one promise if broken would actually increase his support among liberal. For the love of god, please reverse the promise.

[xchrom]

2. What a waste. Nt

[AtomicKitten]

3. That is NOT what the admin has been saying.

Obama Administration's Af-Pak Report: Violence Likely To Increase In Afghanistan In Coming Months
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/05/obama-afghanistan-pakistan-report-afghanistan-violence-increase_n_845191.html

U.S. military: violence in Afghanistan will escalate in 2011
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8210665-us-military-violence-in-afghanistan-will-escalate-in-2011

[Cali_Democrat]

4. You're confused. Their OWN REPORT just released says the number of security incidents has decreased

The two reports released recently are NOT about future projections, they are about what has happened between January 2011 and August 2011

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/29/us-afghanistan-nato-idUSTRE78S4CQ20110929

(Reuters) - NATO-led forces fighting in Afghanistan on Thursday reported a drop in the number of "security incidents," a stark contrast to a United Nations report released this week that said the country had become significantly more insecure in 2011.

The number of security incidents recorded by ISAF from January to August this year had decreased 2 percent from the same period a year earlier, a spokesman for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said.

Data collected by the U.N., and detailed in a report by its Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, said such incidents had leapt 39 percent over the same eight months.

So the US and NATO's own report says that the number of security incidents decreased over those 8 months. The UN says they have increased by 39%.

The US and NATO are a bunch of comedians and nobody takes believes them anymore. Their credibility is SHOT to SHIT. Afghanistan has proven to be an unmitigated disaster.

[AtomicKitten]

6. Confused? The projection issued in statements by the admin was crystal clear.

If there is a disparity in recent reporting, reconciliation of the figures will happen.

Stay on the case and do get back to us.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Why are you stuck on projections from many months ago?

I'm talking about the US-NATO-ISAF report that was JUST released which says the violence in Afghanistan has fallen (LOL).

Clearly you're still confused.

BTW, I also got a kick out of this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/29/world/asia/afghanistan-un-report-isaf/

NATO says U.N. tally of Afghan violence uses different metrics
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 1:29 PM EST, Thu September 29, 2011


(CNN) -- NATO says a new report by the United Nations that points to a spike in violence in Afghanistan differs from the alliance's tally because "security incidents" were defined differently.

"The U.N. counts a number of additional event types that ISAF does not include in its definition of security incidents, such as cache finds, arrests, assassinations, intimidation, and others," according to a statement Thursday from the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force.

It says "25% of the total U.N. security incidents are event types that ISAF does not include in its definition."

:rofl:

[Supersedeas]

12. fun with statistics

[frylock]

8. those are some fantastic campaign slogans..

i hope shep fairey is working on some new posters.

[COLGATE4]

5. Welcome to Afghanistan - the 'graveyard of Empires' n/t

[Supersedeas]

11. the Shock Doctrine for modern economies

[sad sally]

9. Operation Enduring Freedom (kind of makes a gag come up) - how long will it last...

Friday 30 September 2011
US troops may stay in Afghanistan until 2024

America and Afghanistan are close to signing a strategic pact which would allow thousands of United States troops to remain in the country until at least 2024, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Afghan forces would still need support from US fighter aircraft and helicopters, he predicted. In the past, Washington officials have estimated a total of 25,000 troops may be needed.

Dr Spanta added: “In the Afghan proposal we are talking about 10 years from 2014, but this is under discussion.” America would not be granted its own bases, and would be a guest on Afghan bases, he said. Pakistan and Iran were also deeply opposed to the deal.

Andrey Avetisyan, Russian ambassador to Kabul, said: “Afghanistan needs many other things apart from the permanent military presence of some countries. It needs economic help and it needs peace. Military bases are not a tool for peace. “I don’t understand why such bases are needed. If the job is done, if terrorism is defeated and peace and stability is brought back, then why would you need bases?

“If the job is not done, then several thousand troops, even special forces, will not be able to do the job that 150,000 troops couldn’t do. It is not possible.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8712701/US-troops-may-stay-in-Afghanistan-until-2024.html?du

[Honeycombe8]

10. We need to get out of there. nt